charts discussion Hot 100 final predictions (TOTC): Butter 8x #1, Normani #14

[Renan90]

 

[Devin]

NORMANI LETS GOOOO 

[TrieLz]

hope that TOTC prediction is right,.

it would be iconic if PTD plummet to #7,

it's the seven again,

 

also Normani is on lock for top 15 debut 

[Devin]

Also not Permission To Tank 

[mintpasty]

Butter is getting outstreamed by an 86 week old song and Billboard says it's the #1 song in the country. What a JOKE

[gustavothehuman]

Look, I think it's impressive and amazing how BTS fans can bring a song to #1, that shows how loyal and passionate they are 

But Billboard is such a joke for allowing this to happen so f***ing easily 

[Mrguilbeaux]

Praying for at least a top ten follow up for Normani!!

[Orsay]

Blinding Lights still in the Top 20 wtf

[Blade Runner]

Ugh, they're gonna ruin Lil Nas' deserved momentum. I'm already mad about this sh+t. 

Edited July 25, 2021 by Blade Runner

[Green]

1. PTD DEBUT

7. Butter -6

 

1. Butter +6

7. PTD -6

 

a joke 

 

They are gonna block Lil Nas 

[Taemira]

Butter really is the song of this summer

[bad guy]

12 minutes ago, Green said:

1. PTD DEBUT

7. Butter -6

 

1. Butter +6

7. PTD -6

 

a joke 

 

They are gonna block Lil Nas 

The transparent fraud 

 

The way the entire Top 20 is outstreaming Butter yet it’s #1. Pathetic.

[IBeMe]

The only way Billboard will address this is if a chart hungry artist is blocked from the top spot by BTS and realizes that it is due to mass buying and posts a couple meltdown tweets or something. Then Billboard will likely be forced to address this and make some chart changes but as long as Olivia and other artists stay silent publically in fear that they look chart hungry or in fear of the Army then BB will continue ignoring this for profit. 

I 100% do not blame Army for this...they are passionate and what not and found a loop in the system and exploited it. It is what it is. The real thing to blame is BB who is really being messy and ruining the fun of chart tracking for the sake of website clicks and tweets.

[bad guy]

The #56 song outstreaming the supposed #1 
 

Favorite Crime (album track) pulling similar streaming numbers than the supposed #1 

 

Stay pulling in the most units and not being #1 

 

Billboard’s simply lost all its credibility at this point.

[Prismee]

Going #1 with just 8m streams   

[Bey_Rihstan]

What exactly is mass buying and how is it different than regular sales/considered fraud? Are bts stans doing something different than just buying the mess? 
 

serious question 

[New Edition]

pull up in a benz make me say ah baby do that **** agaain

[Popboi.]

38 minutes ago, Green said:

1. PTD DEBUT

7. Butter -6

 

1. Butter +6

7. PTD -6

 

a joke 

 

They are gonna block Lil Nas 

Them slipping up and down like butter

 

[shelven]

7 minutes ago, Bey_Rihstan said:

What exactly is mass buying and how is it different than regular sales/considered fraud? Are bts stans doing something different than just buying the mess? 
 

serious question 

Two main differences between what BTS stans are doing compared to normal buying:

 

1) They're primarily buying directly through BTS's website. The main benefit of this is that you can easily buy 4 copies of the song at once (which is the maximum you can buy on one credit card for it to count for Billboard). Other digital retailers like iTunes only let you buy a song once, so while you could buy multiple times by making multiple iTunes accounts, that's a lot harder. Buying through the website also means they can keep buying 4 copies every single week (which again, they couldn't do on a store like iTunes where an account can only ever buy a song once).

 

2) BTS's label encourages the mass buying by releasing a bunch of different remixes and alternate versions of the digital single. Right now there's 6 different versions of Butter on their digital store (including one that's the exact original but with different digital artwork). Since remixes and alternate versions are grouped by Billboard, and 4 copies per credit card counts, that means an individual fan can buy 24 copies of the song each week and have them count towards the Hot 100.

 

It's not strictly "fraud" because all of this is technically within the rules that Billboard sets out. But it's clearly done with the intention of manipulating the charts, and Billboard seems to have no interest in stopping any of this likely because they enjoy the clicks and social media attention that comes from all of this.

[Renan90]

Normani 

[Ivan_brit]

Butter 8.7m streams  basically the entire top 25 outstream both BTS songs  

 

 

Doja Cat is slaying  

 

#5 Kiss Me More (=)

#19 You Right  (=)

#28 Ain't ****  (+6)

#40 Best Friend 

#48 Need To Know (+15)

 

 

 

Levitating back to the Top 3    Love Again & Demeanor will debut  

 

 

 

JUSTICE FOR NDA  

[Aribiotch]

I thought normani was chart poison tho? The way the clown always comes back to bite 

[znake]

BUTTER sales are higher than all top 10 combined   legends !!

[ClashAndBurn]

2 hours ago, shelven said:

Two main differences between what BTS stans are doing compared to normal buying:

 

1) They're primarily buying directly through BTS's website. The main benefit of this is that you can easily buy 4 copies of the song at once (which is the maximum you can buy on one credit card for it to count for Billboard). Other digital retailers like iTunes only let you buy a song once, so while you could buy multiple times by making multiple iTunes accounts, that's a lot harder. Buying through the website also means they can keep buying 4 copies every single week (which again, they couldn't do on a store like iTunes where an account can only ever buy a song once).

 

2) BTS's label encourages the mass buying by releasing a bunch of different remixes and alternate versions of the digital single. Right now there's 6 different versions of Butter on their digital store (including one that's the exact original but with different digital artwork). Since remixes and alternate versions are grouped by Billboard, and 4 copies per credit card counts, that means an individual fan can buy 24 copies of the song each week and have them count towards the Hot 100.

 

It's not strictly "fraud" because all of this is technically within the rules that Billboard sets out. But it's clearly done with the intention of manipulating the charts, and Billboard seems to have no interest in stopping any of this likely because they enjoy the clicks and social media attention that comes from all of this.

The other part that’s missing, and is most crucial, is that this buying is largely being crowdfunded from outside of the country. So you’ve got people from Korea and other countries around the world sending money through PayPal to fund these mass buying schemes. It should be illegal, and BTS fans should be in jail, but life isn’t exactly fair, unfortunately.

[shelven]

1 minute ago, ClashAndBurn said:

The other part that’s missing, and is most crucial, is that this buying is largely being crowdfunded from outside of the country. So you’ve got people from Korea and other countries around the world sending money through PayPal to fund these mass buying schemes. It should be illegal, and BTS fans should be in jail, but life isn’t exactly fair, unfortunately.

Yeah, that part's obviously not okay either, I just chose to exclude it because that part's not really within Billboard's control. Short of doing their own personal investigation every time they hear about fanbases crowdfunding, they can't really do anything about where the money's coming from as long as the sales themselves are happening from within the US using US credit cards/banking info.

 

What Billboard can do is ban website sales to stop their charts from being manipulated by biased, unregulated vendors and fix their remixes/alternate versions rules so that labels can't sell indoctrinated fans 6+ versions of the same song purely for chart purposes. They could put an end to this tomorrow if they wanted to, and it wouldn't matter whether BTS fans are crowdfunding from abroad because the rules wouldn't allow them to spend the money in a meaningful way. But they don't want to end it because they're enjoying this