charts discussion Why don't females have strong catalog sales?

[DesiredConsternation]

I compiled a list of sales of pre-2010 albums on the Billboard 200 (2014 to present) and here are the list of artists who managed to accumulate sales of at least 1 million copies with their old material.

 

Eminem	3,600,000
Beatles	3,500,000
Queen	3,400,000
Michael Jackson	2,900,000
Bob Marley	2,600,000
Journey	2,400,000
Creedence Clairwater	2,100,000
2Pac	1,900,000
Metallica	1,600,000
Fleetwood Mac	1,600,000
Tom Petty	1,600,000
AC/DC	1,500,000
Guns N'Roses	1,300,000
Notorious B.I.G.	1,300,000
Billy Joel	1,300,000
Eagles	1,200,000
Nirvana	1,200,000
Red Hot Chili Peppers	1,100,000
Prince	1,000,000

 

I was kind of surprised seeing that no female artists made the list considering that there have been several females in the top 30 best selling artists of all time (Madonna, Celine, Mariah, Whitney, Barbra). So why are female catalogs not selling?

[cuneytb]

So all the albums combined before 2010 has to be 1M right? Thats what you calculated?  

 

Actually i wonder this too. Most of those artists are benefiting a lot from their greatest hits compilation though. 
 

how did Mariah not make it btw? Her old xmas album is selling every year at least 400k  

[greeneyedsoul]

Not enough talent. 

[DesiredConsternation]

1 minute ago, cuneytb said:

So all the albums combined before 2010 has to be 1M right? Thats what you calculated?  

Basically post 2014 sales for albums released 2010 and prior.

[sickening]

male pop stars make money off of teenage wet dreams, thats why.  

[cuneytb]

1 minute ago, DesiredConsternation said:

Basically post 2014 sales for albums released 2010 and prior.

But merry christmas should have been here then. It sells a lot every year. 

[B'Day]

Women *

[DesiredConsternation]

17 minutes ago, cuneytb said:

how did Mariah not make it btw? Her old xmas album is selling every year at least 400k  

Actually she only earned enough sales to place on the year end chart for the first time since 1995 this year because she pushed it alot with a reissue and videos and it still only ended up at 301k. So it definitely didn't sell 1m since 2014.

 

The full list of 1 million sellers in the SPS era

Spoiler

SPS ERA - BILLBOARD 200
Rank	Estimated EAS	TITLE	Artist
1	11,123,000	25	Adele
2	7,023,000	1989	Taylor Swift
3	6,155,000	VIEWS	Drake
4	5,142,000	HAMILTON: AN AMERICAN MUSICAL	Original Cast
5	4,972,000	÷	Ed Sheeran
6	4,733,000	SCORPION	Drake
7	4,698,000	BEERBONGS AND BENTLEYS	Post Malone
8	4,635,000	X	Ed Sheeran
9	4,549,000	TRAVELLER	Chris Stapleton
10	4,527,000	DAMN.	Kendrick Lamar
11	4,389,000	BLURRYFACE	Twenty One Pilots
12	4,309,000	STONEY	Post Malone
13	4,175,000	PURPOSE	Justin Bieber
14	4,167,000	BEAUTY BEHIND THE MADNESS	The Weeknd
15	3,861,000	IN THE LONELY HOUR	Sam Smith
16	3,792,000	2014 FOREST HILLS DRIVE	J Cole
17	3,648,000	ASTROWORLD	Travis Scott
18	3,646,000	THE GREATEST SHOWMAN	Soundtrack
19	3,613,000	REPUTATION	Taylor Swift
20	3,528,000	ANTI	Rihanna
21	3,476,000	STARBOY	The Weeknd
22	3,469,000	MORE LIFE	Drake
23	3,425,000	24K MAGIC	Bruno Mars
24	3,326,000	HOLLYWOOD'S BLEEDING	Post Malone
25	3,293,000	WHEN WE ALL FALL ASLEEP WHERE DO WE GO	Billie Eilish
26	3,199,000	THIS ONE'S FOR YOU	Luke Combs
27	3,160,000	IF YOU'RE READING THIS IT'S TOO LATE	Drake
28	3,133,000	AMERICAN TEEN	Khalid
29	3,043,000	MONTEVALLO	Sam Hunt
30	2,995,000	MOANA	Soundtrack
31	2,867,000	INVASION OF PRIVACY	Cardi B
32	2,842,000	EVOLVE	Imagine Dragons
33	2,779,000	?	XXXTentacion
34	2,761,000	GOODBYE AND GOOD RIDDANCE	Juice WRLD
35	2,697,000	LEMONADE	Beyonce
36	2,610,000	TAKE CARE	Drake
37	2,601,000	LEGEND	Bob Marley & the Wailers
38	2,565,000	LOVER	Taylor Swift
39	2,558,000	A STAR IS BORN (OST)	Lady Gaga & Bradley Cooper
40	2,492,000	LUV IS RAGE 2	Lil Uzi Vert
41	2,431,000	T R A P S O U L	Bryson Tiller
42	2,411,000	THAT'S CHRISTMAS TO ME	Pentatonix
43	2,400,000	GREATEST HITS	Journey
44	2,345,000	GOOD KID M.A.A.D CITY	Kendrick Lamar
45	2,287,000	BIRDS IN THE TRAP SING MCKNIGHT	Travis Scott
46	2,266,000	21	Adele
47	2,254,000	TITLE	Meghan Trainor
48	2,252,000	THANK U NEXT	Ariana Grande
49	2,207,000	CURTAIN CALL: THE HITS	Eminem
50	2,193,000	NIGHT VISIONS	Imagine Dragons
51	2,153,000	17	XXXTentacion
52	2,074,000	KANE BROWN	Kane Brown
53	2,070,000	GREATEST HITS	Queen
54	2,051,000	CHRONICLE:THE 20 GREATEST HITS	Creedence Clearwater Revival
55	2,023,000	DONT SMILE AT ME	Billie Eilish
56	2,020,000	CTRL	SZA
57	1,979,000	NOTHING WAS THE SAME	Drake
58	1,971,000	HOZIER	Hozier
59	1,944,000	GREATEST HITS	2Pac
60	1,922,000	THE PINKPRINT	Nicki Minaj
61	1,915,000	CULTURE II	Migos
62	1,896,000	KILL THE LIGHTS	Luke Bryan
63	1,883,000	1	Beatles
64	1,851,000	DIAMONDS	Elton John
65	1,838,000	GREATEST HITS SO FAR…	Zac Brown Band
66	1,825,000	PLEASE EXCUSE ME FOR BEING ANTISOCIAL	Roddy Ricch
67	1,808,000	V	Maroon 5
68	1,801,000	DANGEROUS WOMAN	Ariana Grande
69	1,789,000	TROLLS	Soundtrack
70	1,787,000	CULTURE	Migos
71	1,768,000	CHAMPIONSHIPS	Meek Mill
72	1,762,000	DOO-WOPS AND HOOLIGANS	Bruno Mars
73	1,762,000	DEATH OF A BACHELOR	Panic At The Disco
74	1,738,000	FREE SPIRIT	Khalid
75	1,735,000	TANGLED UP	Thomas Rhett
76	1,733,000	A PENTATONIX CHRISTMAS	Pentatonix
77	1,723,000	CHRISTMAS	Michael Buble
78	1,700,000	WHAT A TIME TO BE ALIVE	Drake & Future
79	1,678,000	MY TURN	DaBaby
80	1,674,000	THA CARTER V	Lil Wayne
81	1,673,000	SHAWN MENDES	Shawn Mendes
82	1,663,000	DS2	Future
83	1,646,000	HOODIE SZN	A Boogie Wit Da Hoodie
84	1,639,000	BLONDE	Frank Ocean
85	1,634,000	THE ESSENTIAL	Michael Jackson
86	1,627,000	METALLICA	Metallica
87	1,605,000	ABBEY ROAD	Beatles
88	1,600,000	FINE LINE	Harry Styles
89	1,600,000	DEATH RACE FOR LOVE	Juice WRLD
90	1,598,000	TO PIMP A BUTTERFLY	Kendrick Lamar
91	1,595,000	KAMIKAZE	Eminem
92	1,588,000	RUMOURS	Fleetwood Mac
93	1,577,000	BADLANDS	Halsey
94	1,574,000	CUZ I LOVE YOU	Lizzo
95	1,572,000	THE LIFE OF PABLO	Kanye West
96	1,568,000	ILLUMINATE	Shawn Mendes
97	1,561,000	SWEETENER	Ariana Grande
98	1,560,000	GREATEST HITS	Tom Petty & the Heartbreakers
99	1,554,000	DRIP HARDER	Lil Baby & Gunna
100	1,544,000	FETTY WAP	Fetty Wap
101	1,539,000	50 SHADES OF GREY	Soundtrack
102	1,497,000	AMERICAN BEAUTY / AMERICAN PSYCHO	Fall Out Boy
103	1,494,000	PERCEPTION	NF
104	1,492,000	DAN + SHAY	Dan + Shay
105	1,483,000	LOOK UP CHILD	Lauren Daigle
106	1,472,000	RED PILL BLUES	Maroon 5
107	1,467,000	BACK IN BLACK	AC/DC
108	1,467,000	RELOADED: 20 #1 HITS	Blake Shelton
109	1,466,000	HANDWRITTEN	Shawn Mendes
110	1,465,000	ETERNAL ATAKE	Lil Uzi Vert
111	1,438,000	SUICIDE SQUAD: THE ALBUM	Soundtrack
112	1,419,000	BLACK PANTHER: THE ALBUM	Soundtrack
113	1,401,000	KOD	J Cole
114	1,400,000	THE EMINEM SHOW	Eminem
115	1,394,000	REARVIEW TOWN	Jason Aldean
116	1,386,000	WHEN IT'S DARK OUT	G-Eazy
117	1,379,000	CALIFORNIA SUNRISE	Jon Pardi
118	1,371,000	BOHEMIAN RHAPSODY (OST)	Queen
119	1,369,000	SO MUCH FUN	Young Thug
120	1,369,000	PRAY FOR THE WICKED	Panic At The Disco
121	1,368,000	RIPCORD	Keith Urban
122	1,366,000	AFTER HOURS	The Weeknd
123	1,354,000	ISLAH	Kevin Gates
124	1,351,000	MADE IN THE A.M.	One Direction
125	1,338,000	LIFE CHANGES	Thomas Rhett
126	1,337,000	HARDER THAN EVER	Lil Baby
127	1,325,000	BORN TO DIE	Lana Del Ret
128	1,325,000	HARDWIRED...TO SELF-DESTRUCT	Metallica
129	1,323,000	4 YOUR EYEZ ONLY	J Cole
130	1,323,000	GREATEST HITS	Guns N'Roses
131	1,322,000	HOPELESS FOUNTAIN KINGDOM	Halsey
132	1,321,000	VESSEL	Twenty One Pilots
133	1,315,000	KIRK	DaBaby
134	1,313,000	GREATEST HITS	Notorious B.I.G.
135	1,306,000	THRILLER	Michael Jackson
136	1,303,000	COLORING BOOK	Chance The Rapper
137	1,302,000	OVER IT	Summer Walker
138	1,293,000	FROM A ROOM: VOLUME 1	Chris Stapleton
139	1,289,000	GREATEST HITS I II & III: THE PLATINUM COLLECTION	Queen
140	1,284,000	INDIGO	Chris Brown
141	1,282,000	CAMILA	Camila Cabello
142	1,281,000	NO.6 (COLLABORATIONS PROJECT)	Ed Sheeran
143	1,280,000	GUARDIANS OF THE GALAXY: AWESOME MIX VOL. 1	Soundtrack
144	1,264,000	DIG YOUR ROOTS	Florida Georgia Line
145	1,263,000	BEAUTIFUL TRAUMA	P!nk
146	1,256,000	THE ESSENTIAL	Billy Joel
147	1,247,000	GREATEST HITS: DECADE #1	Carrie Underwood
148	1,227,000	WHAT YOU SEE IS WHAT YOU GET	Luke Combs
149	1,218,000	FOLKLORE	Taylor Swift
150	1,213,000	IF I KNOW ME	Morgan Wallen
151	1,212,000	H.E.R.	H.E.R.
152	1,210,000	BRETT YOUNG	Brett Young
153	1,198,000	CRASH MY PARTY	Luke Bryan
154	1,196,000	BABY ON BABY	DaBaby
155	1,192,000	THEIR GREATEST HITS 1971-1975	Eagles
156	1,186,000	FUTURE	Future
157	1,186,000	HEARTBREAK ON A FULL MOON	Chris Brown
158	1,182,000	CRY BABY	Melanie Martinez
159	1,181,000	HAPPINESS BEGINS	Jonas Brothers
160	1,174,000	COSMIC	Bazzi
161	1,172,000	REVIVAL	Selena Gomez
162	1,166,000	THIS IS ACTING	Sia
163	1,162,000	THE THRILL OF IT ALL	Sam Smith
164	1,160,000	NEVERMIND	Nirvana
165	1,142,000	7 (EP)	Lil Nas X
166	1,141,000	FROZEN 2	Soundtrack
167	1,139,000	DARK SKY PARADISE	Big Sean
168	1,123,000	SWIMMING	Mac Miller
169	1,111,000	I AM > I WAS	21 Savage
170	1,104,000	DIVINELY UNINSPIRED TO A HELLISH EXTENT	Lewis Capaldi
171	1,101,000	GREATEST HITS	Red Hot Chili Peppers
172	1,089,000	AI YOUNGBOY 2	YoungBoy Never Broke Again
173	1,083,000	SMOKE + MIRRORS	Imagine Dragons
174	1,080,000	A HEAD FULL OF DREAMS	Coldplay
175	1,073,000	EXPERIMENT	Kane Brown
176	1,070,000	FOUR	One Direction
177	1,064,000	MEMORIES...DO NOT OPEN	Chainsmokers
178	1,063,000	FROZEN	Soundtrack
179	1,061,000	STORYTELLER	Carrie Underwood
180	1,060,000	QUEEN	Nicki Minaj
181	1,060,000	ELLA MAI	Ella Mai
182	1,059,000	PROJECT BABY TWO	Kodak Black
183	1,050,000	LEGENDS NEVER DIE	Juice WRLD
184	1,045,000	HERE'S TO THE GOOD TIMES	Florida Georgia Line
185	1,043,000	SPIDER-MAN: INTO THE SPIDER-VERSE	Soundtrack
186	1,037,000	MY EVERYTHING	Ariana Grande
187	1,035,000	CLEOPATRA	Lumineers
188	1,035,000	JEKYLL + HYDE	Zac Brown Band
189	1,033,000	YHLQMDLG	Bad Bunny
190	1,026,000	X 100PRE	Bad Bunny
191	1,024,000	ANYTHING GOES	Florida Georgia Line
192	1,014,000	LOVE YOURSELF: ANSWER	BTS
193	1,007,000	SREMMLIFE	Rae Sremmurd

 

Edited September 15, 2020 by DesiredConsternation

[BnPac]

2Pac and Prince.

In the real world, women as musicians are not that respected or valued as men, sadly. 
The fact that neither Aretha, Madonna, Barbara nor Patti Smith made it. 

[Anthurium]

Misogyny

 

[CandyBling]

Is this pure or sps

[stevyy]

Merry Christmas (2014-2020)

 

estimated sales: (USA)
 

2019 - 301,000

2018 - 206,000

2017 - 130,000

2016 - 102,000

2015 - 82,000

2014 - 64,000

= 885,000

 

It will most likely exceed 1,200,000 sps with the 2020 season. Making her one of the very few female acts to have had an album sell in excess of 1 million units since 2014. 

 

 

[DesiredConsternation]

40 minutes ago, stevyy said:

Merry Christmas (2014-2020)

 

estimated sales: (USA)
 

2019 - 301,000

2018 - 206,000

2017 - 130,000

2016 - 102,000

2015 - 82,000

2014 - 64,000

= 885,000

 

It will most likely exceed 1,200,000 sps with the 2020 season. Making her one of the very few female acts to have had an album sell in excess of 1 million units since 2014. 

 

 

[getinthezone]

because straight men dont listen to female singers while straight women do listen to male singers

Edited September 15, 2020 by getinthezone

[AbeHicks]

1 hour ago, BnPac said:

 

In the real world, women as musicians are not that respected or valued as men, sadly. 
 

This. Women are often viewed as label puppets being controlled by men in suits from behind the scenes. What veteran female artist is respected today? Not by pop culture enthusiasts, but by the GP? Madonna? No. (but she never was, don't come for me I love her). Mariah? No, too many vocal mishaps and the musings about her difficult personality. Janet? No. Celine? She stopped trying way too soon. It's sad really.

 

 

 

[Alongoria13]

Toxic masculinity.

 

[Isaiah]

unfortunately it comes down to sexism in the way they're perceived as they age. Men are seen as legends and more wise and talented as they age, whereas the gp treat women as washed up has-beens once they age. it's gross and sad

[DevonRoars]

because a lot of women have great timeless singles, but not great timeless albums.

 

but also Fleetwood Mac has Stevie Nicks

[robbyds]

9 hours ago, stevyy said:

Merry Christmas (2014-2020)

 

estimated sales: (USA)
 

2019 - 301,000

2018 - 206,000

2017 - 130,000

2016 - 102,000

2015 - 82,000

2014 - 64,000

= 885,000

 

It will most likely exceed 1,200,000 sps with the 2020 season. Making her one of the very few female acts to have had an album sell in excess of 1 million units since 2014. 

 

 

Songbird Supreme and Queen of Xmas did THAT!

[Medonerpls]

On 9/15/2020 at 4:31 PM, getinthezone said:

because straight men dont listen to female singers while straight women do listen to male singers

 

On 9/15/2020 at 5:29 PM, Isaiah said:

unfortunately it comes down to sexism in the way they're perceived as they age. Men are seen as legends and more wise and talented as they age, whereas the gp treat women as washed up has-beens once they age. it's gross and sad

 

[skyandground]

On 9/16/2020 at 4:31 AM, getinthezone said:

because straight men dont listen to female singers while straight women do listen to male singers

 

Those pop divas don't seem to have a huge loyal female following either...

 

Female listeners are actually commercially powerful when a music act actually has one. Look at those past boy bands (Backstreet Boys) and Taylor.

 

[katyhudson]

Taylor is going to be one of the very few female artists to enjoy strong catalog sales in 10 years.

[Katamari]

On 9/15/2020 at 6:11 PM, pig said:

because a lot of women have great timeless singles, but not great timeless albums.

 

but also Fleetwood Mac has Stevie Nicks

Agreed. Plus a lot of them do embarrassing things that **** up the public perception of them 

 

not to mention most of our female acts r still active. A lot of ppl on that list are either dead, or disbanded which preserves their legacy or haven’t released music in decades which makes their catalogue favorable. Also these are some massive legends. Only Madonna, Whitney, Janet and Mariah can stand. 
 

greatest hits albums also kill catalogue sales usually 

 

surprised Enya and Mariah is not here tho. I’m sure taylor and Adele will be here. 

[doonerr]

On 9/15/2020 at 10:34 PM, stevyy said:

Merry Christmas (2014-2020)

 

estimated sales: (USA)
 

2019 - 301,000

2018 - 206,000

2017 - 130,000

2016 - 102,000

2015 - 82,000

2014 - 64,000

= 885,000

 

It will most likely exceed 1,200,000 sps with the 2020 season. Making her one of the very few female acts to have had an album sell in excess of 1 million units since 2014. 

 

 

The way she Ate this

[stevyy]

16 minutes ago, doonerr said:

The way she Ate this

Let me expand this to worldwide: (SPS)

 

2014 - 64,000 USA - 45,000 WW = 109,000

2015 - 82,000 USA - 45,000 WW = 127,000

2016 - 102,000 USA - 60,000 WW = 162,000

2017 - 130,000 USA - 75,000 WW = 205,000

2018 - 206,000 USA - 105,000 WW = 311,000

2019 - 301,000 USA - 150,000 WW = 451,000

 

2014 - 2019 - 885,000 USA - 480,000 WW = 1,365,000 globally