charts discussion Billboard updates Taylor's sales and streams

[peterstyles13]

5 minutes ago, Eternium said:

Taylor Swift will never even get close  

 

Barbra Streisand - 88,850,000

Madonna - 71,260,000

Mariah

Whitney - 60,260,000

Celine

Britney Spears - 39,490,000

Janet Jackson

It's a given that she will pass Britney with Lover for the Nielsen era. That being said, of course, she'll never reach most of the 80s-90s girls in pure considering they benefitted from the best climate for album sales while today's market is almost dead. We get a way better picture when we look at the All-time BB200 chart, where Taylor is already #2 among women

Edited July 14, 2019 by peterstyles13

[GorgeousRep]

5 minutes ago, Eternium said:

Nielsen Soundscan only tracks albums from 1991 on and it wasn't comprehensive until 2004-ish. They didn't initially include music clubs nor Tower Records (the second biggest retailer for a time). Madonna outsold both of them in the U.S. by a considerable amount (though Ms. Carey was close).

Her catalog stats are incredible. Keep in mind they're all rounded up, though.

Taylor Swift will never even get close  

 

Barbra Streisand - 88,850,000

Madonna - 71,260,000

Mariah

Whitney - 60,260,000

Celine

Britney Spears - 39,490,000

Janet Jackson

Oh yeah I meant in the purview of this thread, Nielsen soundscan era

[castle13]

1 hour ago, Manchs said:

Must be sad to live in a pre-Reputation era cause that's not the tea but whatever helps you catch some Zs at night!  

The audacity when Carrie’s latest efforts came and went literally unnoticed both commercially and critically!  Underwoods stans getting brave in 2019! Now I’ve seen everything 

 

Edited July 14, 2019 by castle13

[Eternium]

25 minutes ago, peterstyles13 said:

It's a given that she will pass Britney with Lover for the Nielsen era. That being said, of course, she'll never reach most of the 80s-90s girls in pure considering they benefitted from the best climate for album sales while today's market is almost dead. We get a way better picture when we look at the All-time BB200 chart, where Taylor is already #2 among women

The all-time BB200 chart is nonsense. Not only is the methodology horse **** (Adele's 3M+ week at #1 netted her as many points as a 68k week at #1), but the charts were just made up nonsense until 1991 based on what retailers wanted to report. They only added in partial POS reporting in 1991 and they weren't comprehensive until 2004. 

 

Taylor Swift will never outsell Britney Spears in the U.S. Britney did 33.6M through Nielsen Soundscan but that's not her full total - BOMT did 1.6M just through the second largest music club provider (hence it being at 10.6M on Nielsen but over 14x Platinum).

 

The best metric to go by is the RIAA and their album-equivalents.

[Manchs]

10 minutes ago, castle13 said:

The audacity when Carrie’s latest efforts came and went literally unnoticed both commercially and critically!  Underwoods stans getting brave in 2019! Now I’ve seen everything 

 

Leave us alone, this is between me and Harranger only. 

Edited July 14, 2019 by Manchs

[Dingdong123]

The way Bad Blood punches in both sales and streams and yet she keeps ignoring it 

[Harranger]

11 minutes ago, Manchs said:

Leave us alone, this is between me and Harranger only. 

No? 

 

Swifties feel free to come for Manchs more and more. Thank you 

 

Taylor smash

Carrie bomb

 

[Manchs]

1 minute ago, Harranger said:

No? 

 

Swifties feel free to come for Manchs more and more. Thank you 

 

Taylor smash

Carrie bomb

 

Bitch. 

 

[jomarr]

I think she'll surpass Britney eventually. But definitely not in the Lover era. A worthy successor tbh.  

[mcohen]

14 minutes ago, jomarr said:

I think she'll surpass Britney eventually. But definitely not in the Lover era. A worthy successor tbh.  

The difference is only 900k 

 

Do you mean first week? 

[chiliam]

Mess at her debut almost 6x platinum pure sales.

A sleeper hit

[JawBreaker]

 

 

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4 hours ago, Eternium said:

The all-time BB200 chart is nonsense. Not only is the methodology horse **** (Adele's 3M+ week at #1 netted her as many points as a 68k week at #1), but the charts were just made up nonsense until 1991 based on what retailers wanted to report. They only added in partial POS reporting in 1991 and they weren't comprehensive until 2004. 

 

Taylor Swift will never outsell Britney Spears in the U.S. Britney did 33.6M through Nielsen Soundscan but that's not her full total - BOMT did 1.6M just through the second largest music club provider (hence it being at 10.6M on Nielsen but over 14x Platinum).

 

The best metric to go by is the RIAA and their album-equivalents.

Where Taylor is ahead and will be ahead for eternity. Either way at the end of the day Taylor will be surpassing Britney's CSPC in less than 2 years.  She did that with "no iconic moment and impact111!" 

[Zaynsus]

3. Shania Twain : 35m

4. Britney Spears : 33.6m

5. Taylor Swift : 32.7m

 

If she plays her cards right, she'll be #3 at the end of the Lover era

[skyandground]

4 hours ago, mcohen said:

The difference is only 900k 

 

Do you mean first week? 

Don't get too overconfident when the GP said no to her first two singles.

 

[mcohen]

22 minutes ago, skyandground said:

Don't get too overconfident when the GP said no to her first two singles.

Overconfident? I’m being realistic 

 

Taylor will certainly be #4 once Lover is released

 

Edited July 15, 2019 by mcohen

[Eternium]

@JawBreaker

 

Britney’s label isn’t up to date on her certifications - only 1 of her albums is updated with SPS  

 

And Taylor will never touch her with CSPC. Britney’s over 100M and still gaining and Taylor’s not yet at 77M and slowing down dramatically. She won’t even hit 100M by the end of the 2020s at this rate. But this is going off-topic and if you want to compare, save it for a thread about that.

 

OT: LWYMMD and Reputation deserved so much more (and Shake It Off and the horrible 1989 deserved so much less).

[LosingHimWasBlue]

15 hours ago, JawBreaker said:

Lemonade added on every single streaming service platform 2 months ago.

9 *re-entry* - 18 - 45 - 64 - 91 - 116 - 138 - 155 - 174  - 182 - OUT

                         

 

OT: great gowns beautiful gowns. Truly an album seller 

 OMG 

 

Rep still Outsold, OutDo Lemonade.  

[Vespertine]

Red deserved much better. 

[getinthezone]

16 hours ago, Blue Rose said:

6.19M for 1989

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2.23M for Reputation 

thats a massive drop

[Taemira]

a legend

[Cryptique]

She really is the biggest artist in AMERICA this decade

 

Get that Top Artist of the decade bish

[JawBreaker]

9 hours ago, Eternium said:

@JawBreaker

 

Britney’s label isn’t up to date on her certifications - only 1 of her albums is updated with SPS  

 

And Taylor will never touch her with CSPC. Britney’s over 100M and still gaining and Taylor’s not yet at 77M and slowing down dramatically. She won’t even hit 100M by the end of the 2020s at this rate. But this is going off-topic and if you want to compare, save it for a thread about that.

 

OT: LWYMMD and Reputation deserved so much more (and Shake It Off and the horrible 1989 deserved so much less).

well MJD that runs Chartmasters said it. Not me. He said all the new girls(Taylor, Beyonce,Adele and Rihanna) will definitely surpass her. Taylors catalog already gained ~1.2B streams on Spotify alone this year. If Lover performs just as Reputation she will gain around 15M CSPC total this year he said. So by end of next year, she will be at 100M. It's not like Britney is gaining fast anyway. Either way, both girls slay. 100M CSPC is really hard to get. It's a big achievement.

 

OT: Bad blood slaying in streams despite being left to dust. 

[stevyy]

On 7/14/2019 at 3:48 PM, Extinctkid said:

Honestly about Madonna, it might be because some of her albums including TB, LAP, LAV and Madonna came out before 1991 when they started tracking sales. Idk what year her first greatest hits came out so maybe it wasn't included too.

That's true. However, we must then also inform everyone that Mariah's 9x Platinum selling debut album was also released prior to the soundscan era and that soundscan gradually increased its market share in the US during the 1990s and has never covered 100% of albums sales in the US, especially in the 1990s. In 2019 a good 95% of all albums sales are tracked by soundscan, during the 1990s it wasn't more than maybe 75%. 

[Yanko]

On 7/14/2019 at 5:36 PM, Blue Rose said:

6.19M for 1989

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2.23M for Reputation 

the fact that her least successful release still stomps on all of our favs

[Walk_Away21]

On 7/14/2019 at 11:45 AM, Saintlor said:

Imagine if Reputation had full promo and better timed singles  

 

I genuinely think it could've been as big as 1989. 

Ugh this tea Probably not as big as 1989 but definitely bigger. It still slayed and she did that with no promo and messy releases :jonny: Truly music not the bling!

Edited July 16, 2019 by Walk_Away21