official chart Billboard Charts (March 19-25, 2017)

[stealthswor]

It wouldn't be ATRL without someone hating on spotify in the charts thread.

[simmnfierzig]

1 hour ago, MexicanLiLMonster said:

I wonder if it's early enough for Bruno Mars to discount TWIL so it can go #1

Too early

[DELE2125]

57 minutes ago, Émotif Fool said:

Is it outrageous to say that Shape of You and Closer will pass 3 million in pure sales by the end of 2017?

No, at least "Closer", "My House" and "Can't Stop The Feeling" will reach 3M this year.

 

Don't know about "Shape Of You"... Let's wait til it gets to 2M first.

[Headlock]

1 hour ago, stealthswor said:

It wouldn't be ATRL without someone hating on spotify in the charts thread.

It wouldn't be ATRL without someone hating on radio in the charts thread.

[FutureHive]

Mask Off to top 10 lets goooooo

[UNNAMI]

with early numbers it easy to assume that Mo Bounce won't even hit Hot 100, right?

[TurntUp]

1 hour ago, UNNAMI said:

with early numbers it easy to assume that Mo Bounce won't even hit Hot 100, right?

It's obviously going to hit the hot 100 

[Just a Gay on ATRL]

Great

I Feel It Coming

Love On the Brain

I Don't Wanna Live Forever

 

Good

That's What I Like

Shape of You

Paris

Something Just Like This

iSpy

Bad & Boujee

 

Bad

Tunnel Vision

 

[fridayteenage]

19 minutes ago, MusicTalker said:

Great

I Don't Wanna Live Forever

 

agreed.

 

i don't have strong feelings either way about the rest of the songs.

[Rihbeyga]

14 hours ago, Bad Blood said:

that's essentially what spotify payola does, but it'll count as ''real'' streams because ''real'' people listen to it

If that was the case then Lady ahaha would have more streams than Rihanna. 

More not lie that she has a bigger fanbase and that fanbase is all about doing anything for mother monster. 

Its not 100% perfect. But Spotify does to a major degree reduce the effect of spamming. 

[brianc33710]

17 hours ago, Rawr said:

didn't OSD like freefall after it's 16 weeks

Pretty much.....It spent 16 weeks in the Top Three, 19 weeks in the Top Ten, 26 weeks in the Top 40, and 27 weeks on the Hot 100. So well over half of OSD's chart run was at #1. In contrast, Party Rock Anthem spent almost a full year on the Hot 100 after leaving the pinnacle (I think 48 weeks). Without 25/52, UF would've spent 70-76 weeks on the Hot 100. Since its very slow decent began at week 22, UF might have spent an entire year on the Hot 100 after its run at #1 was done. 70 weeks would be 49 weeks, and 76 weeks would've been 55 post #1 weeks.

[brianc33710]

11 hours ago, DELE2125 said:

No, at least "Closer", "My House" and "Can't Stop The Feeling" will reach 3M this year.

 

Don't know about "Shape Of You"... Let's wait til it gets to 2M first.

I think SOY has sold at least 100k each week since its release. Closer and Feeling also spent at least 10 weeks above 100k. Of course, just two short years ago, Uptown Funk spent 7-8 weeks above 300k, and one or two of those weeks were over 400k. I think UF was over 100k for at least six months/26 weeks. Without the CMA deductions (and especially had the remixes been released on ITunes and ODS), Hello would've had 10 weeks above 100k. Those remixes being only released to radio hurt Hello's run at #1.

[brianc33710]

15 hours ago, ChartsFan said:

But not without influence along the way. Some more than others.

 

and skipping a record, is not the same as upping plays through bots and tor browser or other proxy aids. One just doesn't give a play count, the other is inflated.

 

it probably doesn't matter with SOY lead, it would be number one anyway.  But there have been very close weeks in the past for other songs to get number one.  Besides, this just isn't about number one and the influence of Payola and other corruption methods, increases as chart numbers get lower.  It is much easier to get your song from 42-40 and claim you have a top forty hit  than 7-5. If you can roll your song onto a playlist, top 40 of a chart, top fifty AirPlay, anywhere that becomes visible, you can then build on that success, a lot easier than if you fall short.

 

And I'll tell you, as a PD, or a MD, it's pretty easy to be influenced. Even while trying not to be.  When that new stack of music comes in, and it's all a blur, and suddenly one sticks out because your station had concert tickets to give away for the band two months ago, and it gets thrown first on the listen to pile...

+1, and especially PDs and MDs at Country radio, but all genres succumb to the pressure to some extent.

[brianc33710]

17 hours ago, Green said:

I wonder how many weeks would have spent Everything I do (I do it for you) at #1 if soundscan was used at that time.

Everything would've earned 10-16 #1 weeks, according to the person writing about the test charts in Behind the Bullets in 1991-2. I would think its chart run would've resembled Boys To Men's I'll Make Love To You, which spent 14 weeks at #1, 22 weeks in the Top Ten, and 31 weeks in the Top 40. While 5 weeks was already the quickest climb to #1 (53-32-14-4-1) since We Are The World (21-5-2-1), Adams would've probably hit #1 in just 2 weeks. Also, Everything had huge leads over the runners up,more than 2X to even 3X the #2 song in sales (300k vs 90k was quite common through its run) , way ahead in airplay, meaning Adams would've racked up many weeks with 2-1 margins.

[ParallelLines]

14 minutes ago, brianc33616 said:

Everything would've earned 10-16 #1 weeks, according to the person writing about the test charts in Behind the Bullets in 1991-2. I would think its chart run would've resembled Boys To Men's I'll Make Love To You, which spent 14 weeks at #1, 22 weeks in the Top Ten, and 31 weeks in the Top 40. While 5 weeks was already the quickest climb to #1 (53-32-14-4-1) since We Are The World (21-5-2-1), Adams would've probably hit #1 in just 2 weeks. Also, Everything had huge leads over the runners up,more than 2X to even 3X the #2 song in sales (300k vs 90k was quite common through its run) , way ahead in airplay, meaning Adams would've racked up many weeks with 2-1 margins.

@brianc33616

 

As you were of more observant age during that time and possibly still remember, which song felt bigger to you then in all honesty:

 

Everything I Do (I Do It For You) or I Will Always Love You.

 

Of course, Houston was the far bigger star overall and the song was attached to an even bigger movie (and the stats. are more in favour of ...Love You overall), but they are both such humongous OST ballads (Adams instantly regained the commercial momentum from which he had lost by the late 1980's) and were just as monstrous overseas, I'm curious to know which one felt more ubitiquous and omnipresent at the time however especially as their releases were merely a year apart or so?

 

I was only three years old at the time, by 1993. 

Edited March 26, 2017 by ParallelLines

[brianc33710]

5 minutes ago, ParallelLines said:

@brianc33616

 

As you were of more observant age during that time, which song felt bigger to you then in all honesty:

 

Everything I Do (I Do It For You) or I Will Always Love You.

 

Of course, Houston was the far bigger star and the song was attached to an even bigger movie (and the stats. are more in favour of ...Love You overall), but they are both such humongous OST ballads and were just as commerdially monstrous overseas, I'm curious to know which one felt more ubitiquous and omnipresent at the time however especially as their releases were merely a year apart or so?

EDIT: I thought you meant I'll Make Love To You, not Whitney's smash. Houston broke Adams record on both sales and airplay.

 

As big as Everything could've been on the SS Hot 100, the fact Whitney had at least a 2-3X lead over its competitors for nine weeks.

 

Everything would've probably had a longer hang time than Houston, but I Will Always Love You was so huge at its peak that Adams would've been forced to take a back seat.

[Quaithe]

16 hours ago, ChartsFan said:

Please.  If they think hey are stopping anything, they are only fooling themselves, and apparently you.

 

just like all those programs and routines and policies that claim they have stopped illegal torrenting/downloading. For every method blocked, another half dozen ways start.

 

let us put it another way. It's like computer viruses.  Programs only stop viruses, that have been found and counter programmed. Or, a timely comparison. Spotify is about as effective stopping bots, as Google is at stopping advertisers ads from appearing with questionable content on YouTube, despite what claims they make they can and will do.

lol well what makes iTunes and radio immune from the "viruses"? your logic is ... confusing. 

plus there is no evidence for the viruses you speak of.

[Quaithe]

all the buzz on iTunes, Spotify, radio is just a form of promotion. They are normal business strategies. The ultimate choice is at the consumers' hands. They can always switch a playlist/radio station or not to buy a song if they don't like it. Also it's very unlikely for labels to push songs even though it's apparent that the GP don't like them; it's a waste of time and money.

 

So please don't act like every other consumer good in your lives is not "presented" to you in this way.

[ParallelLines]

22 minutes ago, brianc33616 said:

Everything by a significant margin. Adams sold 4.1 million physical singles, Boys To Men only sold around 1.7 million. Also, Everything's airplay was everywhere. Since BB changed its 200 position album chart right away, BB should've changed the Hot 100 too. Love was a big song, but Everything was bigger.

@brianc33616

 

(Yes, I meant Whitney Houston's ...Love").

 

I've always gotten mixed responses whenever I've asked people this question. These are those who explicitly say ...Love and those who outright say ... Everything. 

 

I'm from the U.K for example and, in spite of the song spending 16 weeks at #1 here, my mom says that she barely remembers hearing the song until it came close to breaking the longest-running #1 streak for which news bulletins started reporting on it unlike ...Love which was simply inescapable (the final chorus alone solidifies that) and was being sung by everyone, everywhere. Whatever the case, they were both behemoths and ...Love was undoubtedly bigger in the United States.

 

Anyhow, do we have any info. regarding the U.S AI peaks of ...Love and ...Everything?

Edited March 26, 2017 by ParallelLines

[brianc33710]

3 minutes ago, ParallelLines said:

I've always gotten mixed responses whenever I've asked people this question. These are those who explicitly say ...Love and those who outright say ... Everything. 

 

I'm from the U.K for example and, in spite of the song spending 16 weeks at #1 here, my mom says that she barely remembers hearing the song until it came close to breaking the longest-running #1 streak for which news bulletins started reporting on it unlike ...Love which was simply inescapable (the final chorus alone solidifies that) and was being sung by everyone, everywhere. Whatever the case, they were both behemoths.

 

Anyhow, do we have any info. regarding the U.S AI peaks of ...Love and ...Everything?

At the beginning, only Pop and Rhythmic airplay counted toward HRS. Love broke Everything's airplay records.

[ParallelLines]

9 minutes ago, brianc33616 said:

At the beginning, only Pop and Rhythmic airplay counted toward HRS. Love broke Everything's airplay records.

Okay. I see.

 

I do know that here in the Britain Love broke Everything's airplay records here too. Love garnered a weekly AI of 25-30M in 1993 on BBC Radio 2 alone at one point (and this is excluding other stations at the time ala. BBC Radio 1 etc) whilst Everything initially held the record of 20M on the station.

Edited March 26, 2017 by ParallelLines

[brianc33710]

4 hours ago, ParallelLines said:

@brianc33616

 

(Yes, I meant Whitney Houston's ...Love").

 

I've always gotten mixed responses whenever I've asked people this question. These are those who explicitly say ...Love and those who outright say ... Everything. 

 

I'm from the U.K for example and, in spite of the song spending 16 weeks at #1 here, my mom says that she barely remembers hearing the song until it came close to breaking the longest-running #1 streak for which news bulletins started reporting on it unlike ...Love which was simply inescapable (the final chorus alone solidifies that) and was being sung by everyone, everywhere. Whatever the case, they were both behemoths and ...Love was undoubtedly bigger in the United States.

 

Anyhow, do we have any info. regarding the U.S AI peaks of ...Love and ...Everything?

That was my mistake, not yours ? lol. I was thinking Everything's chart run would've been like I'll Make Love To You, which caused me to confuse the two songs, 

[UNNAMI]

13 hours ago, TurntUp said:

It's obviously going to hit the hot 100 

with 0 radio, #29 on itunes and not top 200 in spotify? tell me how

[ParallelLines]

29 minutes ago, brianc33616 said:

That was my mistake, not yours ? lol. I was thinking Everything's chart run would've been like I'll Make Love To You, which caused me to confuse the two songs, 

@brianc33616

 

Would you classify We Belong Together as a radio-driven hit?

 

The reason why I ask this is because...

 

1. If I'm not mistaken, there was a point during its #1 reign when it wasn't even in the top 10 digital sales. Furthermore, for having spent 16 weeks at #1 on the airplay charts, it descended out of the top 10 rather quickly thereafter spending only 24 weeks in the top 10 altogether. (On that note, as we spoke about prior, it ties We Found Love and Uptown Funk as the songs with the longest-running top airplay top 10 streak only behind Closer).

 

3. I find it peculiar how only Dont Forget About Us managed to be the #1 peaking digital song from ...Mimi. I understand that digital sales was still rather new and didn't start arriving at six-digit figure totals until 2006, but the fact that We Belong Together and Shake It Off were so huge at radio I, at least, presumed that would have far translated into sales also.

 

This is why I, to a small extent, was confused with Billboard allowing radio airplay to be the number-one component when compiling their 00's decade-end rankings, even though I understand that for nearly 10 years of the decade (2001-2007) radio is what lead the singles charts. . I always felt that Low should have been named song of the decade (if we're going by sales + radio power) as opposed to We Belong Together and YEAH! which literally placed at #1 and #2 respectively because of their radio dominance. No One, Let Me Love You, Golddigger, How You Remind Me also placed in the top ten due to how big they were at radio mainly.

Edited March 26, 2017 by ParallelLines

[brianc33710]

16 minutes ago, ParallelLines said:

@brianc33616

 

Would you classify We Belong Together as a radio-driven hit?

 

The reason why I ask this is because...

 

1. If I'm not mistaken, there was a point during its #1 reign when it wasn't even in the top 10 digital sales. Furthermore, for having spent 16 weeks at #1 on the airplay charts, it descended out of the top 10 rather quickly thereafter spending only 24 weeks in the top 10 altogether. (On that note, as we spoke about prior, it ties We Found Love and Uptown Funk as the songs with the longest-running top airplay top 10 streak only behind Closer).

 

3. I find it peculiar how only Dont Forget About Us managed to be the #1 peaking digital song from ...Mimi. I understand that digital sales was still rather new and didn't start arriving at six-digit figure totals until 2006, but the fact that We Belong Together and Shake It Off were so huge at radio I, at least, presumed that would have far translated into sales also.

 

This is why I, to a small extent, was confused with Billboard allowing radio airplay to be the number-one component when compiling their 00's decade-end rankings, even though I understand that for nearly 10 years of the decade (2001-2007) radio is what lead the singles charts. . I always felt that Low should have been named song of the decade (if we're going by sales + radio power) as opposed to We Belong Together and YEAH! which literally placed at #1 and #2 respectively because of their radio dominance. No One, Let Me Love You, Golddigger, How You Remind Me also placed in the top ten due to how big they were at radio mainly.

We Belong Together was the first song to break the 200 M threshold on BB'S HRS Chart. However, in digital sales, WBT finished down at #13 for 2005.

 

So, unlike many of Carey's other songs, WBT was more airplay driven than sales. In fact, WBT wasn't certified 3X Platinum until right after New Year's 2017.

 

However, WBT's parent album, The Emancipation Of Mimi, sold around 6 M copies. So many of her fans flocked to Mimi than WBT.