Jacob.23 Posted October 20, 2017 Posted October 20, 2017 4 minutes ago, Blue Honeymoon said: I think Taylor / her team are afraid to label a song as an " official single" in case it flops, so they are just releasing the songs to see if they stick. I bet that if Ready For IT? or Gorgeous start to smash, they'd immediately be ascended to official single category. Isn't that the definition of promotional singles. Like I'm pretty sure they're both promo songs (at least intended to be). Ready for It has kind of turned into a single even though it wasn't sent to pop (not a single)
Blue Honeymoon Posted October 20, 2017 Posted October 20, 2017 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Jacob.23 said: Isn't that the definition of promotional singles. Like I'm pretty sure they're both promo songs (at least intended to be). Ready for It has kind of turned into a single even though it wasn't sent to pop (not a single) I'm pretty sure that Ready For It? was always the planned second single. I guess Taylor wanted a Shape Of You/ Castle On The Hill situation. But RFI is doing very bad on streaming, and relatively bad on iTunes everywhere but the US and LWYMMD flopped/underperformed, so my theory (and yes, it's just a theory) is that Taylor/the label are afraid to say that Ready...For It? is the second single because it has been out for more than 7 weeks, so the song has lost potential sales/streams,and if it flops, then the era is doomed. So... they are releasing Gorgeous to see if it smashes, so they can change the plan and make it the second single instead to give the era a bigger chance of success and longevity. Also: They need THAT second single before the album's release. Edited October 20, 2017 by Blue Honeymoon
diamondsky Posted October 20, 2017 Posted October 20, 2017 Guys RFI and Gorgeous are obviously promotional singles. This is literally the exact same rollout she did with 1989. The dates even line up, except for RFI coming out earlier to be included in the football promo Here's a comparison: Lead single SIO (8/18) LWYMMD (8/24) Promo singles OOTW (10/14) RFI? (9/3) WTNY (10/20) Gorgeous (10/20) Album 1989 (10/27) Reputation (11/10) 2nd actual single BS (11/10) probably early November
luckythisway Posted October 20, 2017 Posted October 20, 2017 3 minutes ago, ☆lex said: Guys RFI and Gorgeous are obviously promotional singles. This is literally the exact same rollout she did with 1989. The dates even line up, except for RFI coming out earlier to be included in the football promo Here's a comparison: Lead single SIO (8/18) LWYMMD (8/24) Promo singles OOTW (10/14) RFI? (9/3) WTNY (10/20) Gorgeous (10/20) Album 1989 (10/27) Reputation (11/10) 2nd actual single BS (11/10) probably early November we love tea! She also released the worst songs on each album at the same time (WTNY & Gorgeous so far)
luckythisway Posted October 20, 2017 Posted October 20, 2017 (edited) 21 minutes ago, ChartsFan said: All the women's mags are raving how old Taylor is back on gorgeous. well i’m sorry for them bc LWYMMD/RFI are superior imo Edited October 20, 2017 by luckythisway
simmnfierzig Posted October 20, 2017 Posted October 20, 2017 2 hours ago, UNNAMI said: rockstar has something like 450 points. Ready for it got 350 in first week but it didn't have official audio on youtube. Gorgeous has it on her main chanel Lets wait for Spotify, but on iTunes RFI did much better than Gorgeous
Communion Posted October 20, 2017 Posted October 20, 2017 26 minutes ago, ChartsFan said: Gorgeous will go over better in the general public. It's more standard pop song, than an experimental electronic/rap song. that doesn't mean it will do better on the charts, as the charts right now aren't very general public friendly. What? The charts = the GP.
biomind101 Posted October 20, 2017 Posted October 20, 2017 1 hour ago, ChartsFan said: Gorgeous will go over better in the general public. It's more standard pop song, than an experimental electronic/rap song. that doesn't mean it will do better on the charts, as the charts right now aren't very general public friendly. The charts, by definition, are literally what the GP wants... Most of these songs are near the top of either radio, digital sales, or streaming lol
Rawr Posted October 20, 2017 Posted October 20, 2017 1 hour ago, ChartsFan said: Gorgeous will go over better in the general public. It's more standard pop song, than an experimental electronic/rap song. that doesn't mean it will do better on the charts, as the charts right now aren't very general public friendly. are you serious?
opruh Posted October 20, 2017 Posted October 20, 2017 I'm so happy that Gorgeous will debut at number one, Taylor did that!
Blue Honeymoon Posted October 20, 2017 Posted October 20, 2017 1 minute ago, opruh said: I'm so happy that Gorgeous will debut at number one, Taylor did that! It will not.
UNNAMI Posted October 20, 2017 Posted October 20, 2017 3 minutes ago, opruh said: I'm so happy that Gorgeous will debut at number one, Taylor did that!
QueenofCopyPaste Posted October 20, 2017 Posted October 20, 2017 7 minutes ago, ChartsFan said: The charts use made up formulas that manipulate genre and demographic data. the median American person walking down the street is most certainly not listening to rap which is dominating the charts. steaming affects over fifty nobody can question that steaming is dominated by rap/hip hop and that other popular genres have not had their fans switch on mass to streaming, But more people are streaming now than downloading
Letters From Adi Posted October 20, 2017 Posted October 20, 2017 (edited) 56 minutes ago, opruh said: I'm so happy that Gorgeous will debut at number one, Taylor did that! Your trolling isn't funny This might miss T10 Edited October 20, 2017 by Letters From Adi
DELE2125 Posted October 20, 2017 Posted October 20, 2017 56 minutes ago, opruh said: I'm so happy that Gorgeous will debut at number one, Taylor did that!
volition Posted October 20, 2017 Posted October 20, 2017 37 minutes ago, ChartsFan said: the median American person walking down the street is most certainly not listening to rap which is dominating the charts. ah and you know this how?
Communion Posted October 20, 2017 Posted October 20, 2017 (edited) 49 minutes ago, ChartsFan said: The charts use made up formulas that manipulate genre and demographic data. the median American person walking down the street is most certainly not listening to rap which is dominating the charts. steaming affects over fifty nobody can question that steaming is dominated by rap/hip hop and that other popular genres have not had their fans switch on mass to streaming, That means that people over 50 just aren't a huge part of the music-listening public. Certain age groups listen to music less and certain genres disproportionately skew older. It's nonsensical to think all age groups would be represented equally when certain demographics listen and consume music more and it'd be distorting reality to try and make over 50s just as represented as those who are 18-30. Genres like country are also extremely insular and only seem bigger than they actually are because they're their own communities. Rap is easily 100% more popular than country, rock, etc. Edited October 20, 2017 by Communion
slw84 Posted October 20, 2017 Posted October 20, 2017 4 hours ago, ☆lex said: I see Gorgeous doing ~120k and debuting in the #8-15 range let's see how she does in streaming tho maybe she will organically smash as long as it goes top 10 as another solo hit. 3 solo top 10 hits in a row. We love an organic solo hitmaker
Jacob.23 Posted October 20, 2017 Posted October 20, 2017 (edited) 5 hours ago, UNNAMI said: Ready for it got 350 in first week but it didn't have official audio on youtube. Gorgeous has it on her main chanel 3 hours ago, simmnfierzig said: Lets wait for Spotify, but on iTunes RFI did much better than Gorgeous In terms of YT, RFI did 1.27M WW first day. Gorgeous will probably do ~6M WW first day. Let's not forget that RFI had >5 days of the tracking week. It still did 19M US streams first week. Gorgeous will go top ten on the BB HOT 100. Not sure where yet. 80k sales and 22M streams = 144 points (top ten) Edited October 20, 2017 by Jacob.23
Rentboy Posted October 21, 2017 Posted October 21, 2017 I dont know how some still wanna act like Taylor is not underperforming this era. Its kinda blatantly obvious at this point. Relatively speaking. She is still up there doing better than most of her peers certainly but she is not dominating in a way you'd expect. The worrying thing about that is the competition has not even been strong since her comeback and the charts are being ran by a bunch of relative nobodies. She should have these acts whipped. She avoided the Despacito domination.
Communion Posted October 21, 2017 Posted October 21, 2017 4 minutes ago, ChartsFan said: That's not really what I said. i said the chart formal favors streaming, and therefore those genres and demographics thst have adopted streaming, benefit. the charts have always skewed young, well since the mid 60s. They've also been affected by technology and demographic income. Today is no different. I never said thst today the charts are "broke", they've always had issues and it's irresponsible to discard those issues and declare because of the charts it's what everyone listens to. its one of those things.. It's nothing wrong, it is what it is, what's wrong is claiming they aren't biased. Much healthier to discuss and accept shortcomings, than blatantly deny and pedestal. but it's the Internet and if you say soothing negative on a topic, you hate it. But you said the charts today especially are not accurate or representative to what the GP listens to. And that's just not true then. If the charts always skew young, it's because young people consume more music than older people and make up vastly larger portions of the music listening public. And in 2017, the Hot 100 with its rap songs and streams *is* easily and arguably representative to what most of the music listening public listen to. Again, rock radio is essentially dead. Country radio is insular. What popular genres are not represented in streaming? If you don't see them represented in streaming, maybe they're just not as popular as you think they are.
Timber Posted October 21, 2017 Posted October 21, 2017 If anything, streaming is underepresented on the basis of popularity. The average person doesn't listen to a song/album they purchased enough to make it equivalent to the formula. How many song streams are needed to equal one album sale, like 2000? I don't think I've ever listened to an album that much.
fridayteenage Posted October 21, 2017 Posted October 21, 2017 Highest peaking duo of songs for notable albums post-1989: Bieber 1 multiple weeks & 1 multiple weeks Drake 1 (multiple weeks) & 2 Chainsmokers 1 (multiple weeks) & 3 Taylor 1 (multiple weeks) & 4 Meghan 1 (multiple weeks) & 4 Rihanna 1 (multiple weeks) & 5 Ed 1 (multiple weeks) & 6 Adele 1 (multiple weeks) & 6 DJ Khaled 1 (1 week) & 2 Bruno 1 (1 week) & 4 Weeknd (1 week) & 4 Kendrick 1 (1 week) & 4 Given how early the era is, I can't see what the haters are spewing.
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