andthenwekiss Posted October 8, 2017 Share Posted October 8, 2017 41 minutes ago, butterflysupreme said: Music, art etc should be free what the **** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Adele Posted October 8, 2017 Share Posted October 8, 2017 Just now, butterflysupreme said: Music, art etc should be free Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GokuRed Posted October 8, 2017 Share Posted October 8, 2017 43 minutes ago, butterflysupreme said: Music, art etc should be free As someone who makes a living in the music industry, how the **** should I make money? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goatseid Posted October 8, 2017 Share Posted October 8, 2017 46 minutes ago, butterflysupreme said: Music, art etc should be free How are musicians going to make art with no money? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
butterflysupreme Posted October 8, 2017 Share Posted October 8, 2017 (edited) 9 minutes ago, ChartsFan said: You should go work st McDonald's and then donate your time and salary/money to the creation of music and art. So entitled... Edited October 8, 2017 by butterflysupreme Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
butterflysupreme Posted October 8, 2017 Share Posted October 8, 2017 1 minute ago, Goatseid said: How are musicians going to make art with no money? Product placement, ads, radio etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GokuRed Posted October 8, 2017 Share Posted October 8, 2017 1 minute ago, butterflysupreme said: Product placement, ads, radio etc And for producers/mixers/etc. who aren't face or name famous? News flash: The artist is normally less than 10% of the actual force behind the recordings (unless you're Charlie Puth or Soulja Boy nn) Songwriters, producers, engineers, etc. would be ****ED if music were free. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
butterflysupreme Posted October 8, 2017 Share Posted October 8, 2017 Just now, mau5trap said: And for producers/mixers/etc. who aren't face or name famous? If they get played on the radio, malls etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GokuRed Posted October 8, 2017 Share Posted October 8, 2017 1 minute ago, butterflysupreme said: If they get played on the radio, malls etc That isn't how royalties work. Songwriters would get paid but the engineers/producers wouldn't. Also, songwriters need to scan practically gold to get over their recoupable salaries as it is. Free music would make that even harder and would limit the songwriter field even more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miguel Posted October 8, 2017 Share Posted October 8, 2017 5 minutes ago, ChartsFan said: You should go work st McDonald's and then donate your time and salary/money to the creation of music and art. You can't be serious Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GokuRed Posted October 8, 2017 Share Posted October 8, 2017 None of these people understand how money goes around in the industry. Luckily if any of them were to actually enter the industry they'd quickly change all of their views Happens every time I see or meet a new intern or artist here in Nashville. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
butterflysupreme Posted October 8, 2017 Share Posted October 8, 2017 4 minutes ago, mau5trap said: That isn't how royalties work. Songwriters would get paid but the engineers/producers wouldn't. Also, songwriters need to scan practically gold to get over their recoupable salaries as it is. Free music would make that even harder and would limit the songwriter field even more. By the record companies and artists Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GokuRed Posted October 8, 2017 Share Posted October 8, 2017 Just now, butterflysupreme said: By the record companies and artists Please read a book on music business before acting like an expert Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goatseid Posted October 8, 2017 Share Posted October 8, 2017 9 minutes ago, butterflysupreme said: Product placement, ads, radio etc I may be wrong, but doesn't it cost money to get radio deals and run ads? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClashAndBurn Posted October 8, 2017 Share Posted October 8, 2017 9 minutes ago, butterflysupreme said: If they get played on the radio, malls etc Not every artist is Mariah. Most artists struggle to even get noticed. What you're suggesting is highly selfish and you should be ashamed of yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GokuRed Posted October 8, 2017 Share Posted October 8, 2017 11 minutes ago, Goatseid said: I may be wrong, but doesn't it cost money to get radio deals and run ads? Radio is funky. Big artists can invest in radio deals, small artists can bombard DJs with emails to play their ****, it goes both ways. Entities like Clear Channel make it very hard for up and coming artists to get radio play, however. Ads, however, are not like that at all. Sync deals 99% of the time are when an existing movie, TV, or ad will search out music that fits their ad. They'll contact a publishing company or sync company for songs an will choose between whatever artists that publisher or sync company is trying to promote. As for the artist themselves running ads on their music - you have to be strategic. When PewDiePie lost Alphabet hundreds of millions of dollars, an ad boycott ensued and YouTube ads became far cheaper. Khalid took advantage of this and used all of his "Location" money to buy YouTube ads for American Teen. It paid off tremendously well (though I'm sure by that point he already had a team advising him on what to do) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goatseid Posted October 8, 2017 Share Posted October 8, 2017 1 minute ago, Ari. said: Radio is funky. Big artists can invest in radio deals. Ads, however, are not like that at all. Sync deals 99% of the time are when an existing movie, TV, or ad will search out music that fits their ad. They'll contact a publishing company or sync company for songs an will choose between whatever artists that publisher or sync company is trying to promote. Ahhh. Thanks for the insight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rawr Posted October 8, 2017 Share Posted October 8, 2017 1 hour ago, butterflysupreme said: Music, art etc should be free LOL imagine being this dumb 2 post this no one is gonna make music if they don't get paid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Letters From Adi Posted October 8, 2017 Share Posted October 8, 2017 1 hour ago, butterflysupreme said: Music, art etc should be free Have you ever had a job? Your posts always seem to defy rhyme and reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iHype. Posted October 8, 2017 Share Posted October 8, 2017 1 hour ago, butterflysupreme said: Music, art etc should be free 1 hour ago, butterflysupreme said: So entitled... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rawr Posted October 8, 2017 Share Posted October 8, 2017 14 hours ago, ChartsFan said: Excuse me? ask anyone on ATRL. I've been the biggest and noisiest proponent for a fairer system that allows non streaming genres to have a fair chance to chart in the streaming era and the genres favored by streaming fans. were you just as concerned in 2009-2013 when songs in the "streaming genre" were never bought on itunes because they were being pirated 24/7 and allowing them to chart using a "fairer system" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Adele Posted October 8, 2017 Share Posted October 8, 2017 Anyway... Cardi is coming for a 4th week at #1? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kellysclarkson Posted October 8, 2017 Share Posted October 8, 2017 3 minutes ago, ChartsFan said: That's not entirely true, there are tons of musicians just happy to pick up an instrument and play, and hope someone will listen. theres DJs who just want to spin records and volunteer st community radio. There's songwriters who just want someone to play their song they wrote. btw, that doesn't mean I'm on the side music is meant to be free. It simply means I know people who want to make a living off music, and people who have it as a bobby. The world is grey. Agreed. While I don't think music should be free I think there are plenty of artists who would make music for free and usually the artists that are the most successful are the ones who aren't thinking about money, just about sharing their voice/lyrics/music. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianc33710 Posted October 8, 2017 Share Posted October 8, 2017 The quality of the music would decrease dramatically if none of the artists got paid for their work. The labels have to earn enough money to record the music and send artists on tours. If the artists aren't able to make money, the labels themselves will go under too. Radio stations would all go to sports and talk formats since there's no longer any financial incentive to play songs. YouTube would struggle, and Spotify, Apple Music, etc. would cease to exist. ITunes would obviously die. BB, MB, & HDD would go under within weeks. I'm not trying to be difficult or argumentative. I'm just explaining what would happen if there was no money made in the music business. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miguel Posted October 8, 2017 Share Posted October 8, 2017 13 minutes ago, ChartsFan said: That's not entirely true, there are tons of musicians just happy to pick up an instrument and play, and hope someone will listen. theres DJs who just want to spin records and volunteer st community radio. There's songwriters who just want someone to play their song they wrote. btw, that doesn't mean I'm on the side music is meant to be free. It simply means I know people who want to make a living off music, and people who have it as a bobby. The world is grey. That's true. But they will never be able to dedicate themselves to music if they're not gaining any profit out of it. So all those enthusiastic musicians would have to stop doing the thing they love to get a job that can actually pay their bills. I mean it's ****ing common sense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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