official chart HDD: Taylor sold 420K~ first week.

[Lil Brush]

What are the swifties and hive arguing about now? you both have been at each other throats all week...

 

OT: Congrats to Taylor 

Edited September 2, 2017 by Lil Brush

[Otter]

1 hour ago, hellocory said:

Why the **** are you bringing Beyonce and Formation into this  Taylor just destroyed Formation (and every Beyonce lead single in forever) in a week. Her album will outsell Lemonade in a matter of days. Formation was played all the time on Urban and Rhythmic radio stations, the video was on YouTube for 2+ months before the album dropped, was featured in an HBO special, etc. Rihanna's album flopped in terms of sales and every hit sans Work was local. Beyonce had 1 hit from the album, but the album sold pretty well. Of course, Rihanna's tour bombed but Bey's slaughtered. Taylor is the only pop star who will sell a **** load of albums, have a plethora of hits from the album, and tour stadiums everywhere.  

You and everyone else seem to miss the point entirely. Trent W was confused as to why people are not making a big deal out of this.

This number is Taylor remaining stable in a declining climate. Its simply not a shock and Beyonce/Rih have done the same. She hasn't gone above and beyond expectations and when you contextualise her numbers next to Bey/Rih's last lead singles which both were self sabotaged, It reinforces that 400-500k was always within reach of Taylor provided she didn't F-up.

 

[chaeyonce]

1 hour ago, Safe&Sound said:

Kimye ended her, they said

She lost tons of fans, they said

This is her ARTPOP, they said

 

Little did they know 

[One Nation]

15 hours ago, Kkamjong said:

So are you saying Hello would have sold like 2M in 2012 or something. 

 

What you're doing is similar to how movies get adjusted for inflation to compare them to recent movies on a more fair basis, BUT it's completely inaccurate. You can compare profit a song made or whatever but you cannot assume more people would have downloaded the song in preveious years. 

 

The biggest download week for any song is Hello, from 2015 in a largely declined download market. If people WANT to buy music they will. you can't just say "The market declined by 50% so this song would have sold 50% more"  

Interesting!

 

[Pacaveli]

Rich Taylor won and poor ATRL lost...

 

[Clarksonator]

6 hours ago, Cockney Cupcake said:

 

I hope you two realize that's a Carly Rae Jensen & Kimbra stan who hates Taylor & Adele but hides behind Adeles stats to "drag" Taylor I guess. As for Dele he is just messy

Not an Adele stan. Thank you.

 

Thanks for educating me! I've never seen Daydreamers be that cocky.  

[Saintlor]

On 02/09/2017 at 1:46 PM, Otter said:

She's operating in the same space she's been 2014. Its impressive but not necessarily surprising. Compare this to Formation doing 180k 3month after the song being put out ( & not even being a single), without any radio deals, being sent to radio, public videos etc. If I'm not mistaken Work did 250k in its first 7days with no hype, a fractured release with no initial availability on youtube or spotify for it to even pick up traction. 

Not taking anything away from Taylor, she's definitely the biggest pop artist after Adele, but this performance is in line with expectations. Katy & Gaga are really the only main pop girls who haven't got bigger since 2013. 

Blank Space sold 560k during it's 9th tracking week lol

[taylor__fan]

On 2/9/2017 at 2:46 PM, Otter said:

She's operating in the same space she's been 2014. Its impressive but not necessarily surprising. Compare this to Formation doing 180k 3month after the song being put out ( & not even being a single), without any radio deals, being sent to radio, public videos etc. If I'm not mistaken Work did 250k in its first 7days with no hype, a fractured release with no initial availability on youtube or spotify for it to even pick up traction. 

Not taking anything away from Taylor, she's definitely the biggest pop artist after Adele, but this performance is in line with expectations. Katy & Gaga are really the only main pop girls who haven't got bigger since 2013. 

Sis dont even try, Beyonce may released months latet. But she performed in the superbowl, a lot of promotion in billboards ljke Taylor and had the HBO special so she definetly had hype.

 

She matbe didnt do traditional promo, but neither did Taylor appart from the radio deal. And i guess every song with a radio deal sells 400k...

[Saintlor]

On 02/09/2017 at 1:43 AM, Trent W said:

Why is this thread so empty tho

 

This is is like the biggest event since Hello

Adele's sales made Taylor's sales seem less impressive/eventful

 

Even as a fan, a 1m debut won't be as eventful/legendary for me knowing that Adele pulled 3.3m

 

What made Taylor's sales special before is that she was the only person doing it

[calm_down]

The domination 

[Otter]

On 05/09/2017 at 10:22 AM, taylor__fan said:

Sis dont even try, Beyonce may released months latet. But she performed in the superbowl, a lot of promotion in billboards ljke Taylor and had the HBO special so she definetly had hype.

 

She matbe didnt do traditional promo, but neither did Taylor appart from the radio deal. And i guess every song with a radio deal sells 400k...

HBO views relates to the album film which formation isn't even featured in, we're talking about first week single sales which as I said were cannibalised by being released next to Lemonade versus before. A 2 month old Super Bowl performance is not worth the same as actual radio and streaming support  only stans are permanently stuck on things like this, the GP moves on the next week unless of course the momentum carries on further in streaming and radio, which Taylor and most other artists use payola on. The point is, if Beyonce can get 180k given her circumstances and Rihanna can get 250k, why would we limit Taylor to like 300k when she's obvious a bigger commercial act in the US without Tidal and silly marketing decisions weighing her down? 

Why is it so hard to get 

Edited September 6, 2017 by Otter

[Ash12345]

1 minute ago, Otter said:

HBO views relates to the album film which formation isn't even featured in, we're talking about first week single sales which as I said were cannibalised by being released next to Lemonade versus before. A 2 month old Super Bowl performance is not worth the same as actual radio and streaming support  only stans are permanently stuck on things like this, the GP moves on the next week unless of course the momentum carries on further in streaming and radio, which Taylor and most other artists use payola on. The point is, if Beyonce can get 180k given her circumstances and Rihanna can get 250k, why would we limit Taylor to like 300k when she's obvious a bigger commercial act without Tidal and silly marketing decisions weighing her down? 

Why is it so hard to get 

Sales have declined like 24% in the past 12 months. It's been 19 months since Work and 15 months since Formation. In fact Work's release date is closer to SIO's than Look's. Why is this even a comparision? It becomes much more obvious how ridiculous it is when we include streams.

 

Formation-174k sales, 6.5m streams (217k SPS)

Work first two tracking weeks-282k sales, 6.8m streams (337k SPS)

 

Look-353k sales, 84m streams (913k SPS)

 

[kstreaming]

2 hours ago, Ash12345 said:

Sales have declined like 24% in the past 12 months. It's been 19 months since Work and 15 months since Formation. In fact Work's release date is closer to SIO's than Look's. Why is this even a comparision? It becomes much more obvious how ridiculous it is when we include streams.

 

Formation-174k sales, 6.5m streams (217k SPS)

Work first two tracking weeks-282k sales, 6.8m streams (337k SPS)

 

Look-353k sales, 84m streams (913k SPS)

 

this clock

[peterstyles13]

4 hours ago, Ash12345 said:

Sales have declined like 24% in the past 12 months. It's been 19 months since Work and 15 months since Formation. In fact Work's release date is closer to SIO's than Look's. Why is this even a comparision? It becomes much more obvious how ridiculous it is when we include streams.

 

Formation-174k sales, 6.5m streams (217k SPS)

Work first two tracking weeks-282k sales, 6.8m streams (337k SPS)

 

Look-353k sales, 84m streams (913k SPS)

 

[Aethereal]

On 9/2/2017 at 3:15 AM, iHype. said:

You definitely don't understand the point of adjusting.

 

Ofcourse her fanbase isn't dwindling, just less people are buying music. And there's also the fact she got 30m streams first week while SIO wasn't even available on Spotify/Apple Music/etc first week. 

 

And the point of adjusting isn't to claim "it for sure, would've done 1.02 million in 2012".  It's to point out how much more impressive it is to do 420K in 2017 than what Shake It Off did in 2014 or WANEGBT did in 2012 given the market change since.

We can calculate the streams in order to balance the bad sales market.