official chart Billboard Charts (August 6-12, 2017)

[Blue G]

8 minutes ago, ChartsFan said:

I don't get thst.  It's not an eithe/or purchase option of Pink or Luis.  People can and will buy both.

 

i highly doubt there's many people who hasn't but wants to buy Luis yet, who wants to buy pink as well, yet is so broke  they need to decide which to buy.

 

the overall market isn't based on the concept of - i will buy this instead of that. Never ha been, never will be.

 

someone new releasing any song, rarely impacts songs already in the market. Those songs don't lose sales because a new song came out,Mobutu because they have already sold into the market and will continue to see declining sales because the market for the song is becoming saturated.

actually to an extend it is, thats why you have a top 10 boost and why songs tend to fall a bit when dethroned.

im not saying despacito was gonna lose 100% of its sales, but pink taking it off the #1 spot does affect despacito's sales, hence the discount to try to encourage those extra few sales to even out what its losing to p!nk's buzz and its loss of the #1 exposure.

[Blue G]

2 minutes ago, ChartsFan said:

Sorry but I highly doubt the GP after this long of Despacito release is sitting and watching where Despacito is on the sales chsrt and humming and hawing should I or should I not buy it because it's maybe/not #1 in sales anymore.

 

peole have always had this theory that you can't have two songs out, they will compete with the arch other and take away each others sales.  Yet history has more than shown the market can handle multiple sellers wt the same time, over and over.

 

if it's somethiing someone likes, they will buy it. Even if they need three other songs at the same time.

 

despacito was discounted as a marketing tool, to go along with the GMA performance.  Pink has zero effect on Despacito sales or why it was discounted. It certainly wasn't done to ensure to be the top seller for the week. Had thst been an issue they would have discounted the remix. As they know full well there's no guarantee the lesser selling version discounted will sell enough to beat pink.

never claimed that.

[Blue G]

3 minutes ago, ChartsFan said:

Sorry but I highly doubt the GP after this long of Despacito release is sitting and watching where Despacito is on the sales chsrt and humming and hawing should I or should I not buy it because it's maybe/not #1 in sales anymore.

 

peole have always had this theory that you can't have two songs out, they will compete with the arch other and take away each others sales.  Yet history has more than shown the market can handle multiple sellers wt the same time, over and over.

 

if it's somethiing someone likes, they will buy it. Even if they need three other songs at the same time.

 

despacito was discounted as a marketing tool, to go along with the GMA performance.  Pink has zero effect on Despacito sales or why it was discounted. It certainly wasn't done to ensure to be the top seller for the week. Had thst been an issue they would have discounted the remix. As they know full well there's no guarantee the lesser selling version discounted will sell enough to beat pink.

yes i agree which why i expect the remix to be discounted after the performance, but do you ask yourself this,

if the discount was to coincide with the performance then why discount it days before the performance and only one version of the song? why not after the performance the maximize  the promo boost?

 

look at what happened to both the despacito in the usa and feels in the uk once pink took the number 1 spot, those songs were stable but soon as they fell of the number 1 they started getting more and more red updates. 

[andthenwekiss]

1	P!nk - What About Us		1.0000
2	Luis Fonsi & Daddy Yankee - Despacito (feat. Justin Bieber) [Remix]		0.6821

 

[Tutankhamun]

1 hour ago, Blue G said:

yes i agree which why i expect the remix to be discounted after the performance, but do you ask yourself this,

if the discount was to coincide with the performance then why discount it days before the performance and only one version of the song? why not after the performance the maximize  the promo boost?

 

They're performing next Wednesday, discounting it next Friday would make no sense.  

[One Nation]

57 minutes ago, ChartsFan said:

First off Despacito has been falling in sales for weeks.  It's no surprise thst as time goes on that sales decline will pick up. That's quite normal and expected.

 

secondly, if Allie wants the record, it's toomewrlynto discount all versions, and too early to discount the bigger seeking version the remix.

 

discouting as well is a limited time effect. Songs will continue to lose sales as discount weeks go on. After about two weeks, most songs have used up all the bonuses of discounting.  

 

As as well after discouting, sales tend to fall hard as people already bought it while on sale. Those thst were still holdouts wondering to buy or not.

 

thwts why I think WT discount is w huge timing error.  Despacito will be number one this tracking week and next. By then WT will have burnt out its discount bonuses. And Despacito will still be ahead in sales, stresming and probably still radio.

Except it passed Despacito on radio today. BB doesn't count the Latin/Spanish airplay.

[brianc33710]

9 minutes ago, One Nation said:

Except it passed Despacito on radio today. BB doesn't count the Latin/Spanish airplay.

BB started including Latin songs in its Radio Songs Chart in early 2000. Kworb counts Latin in his MB AI numbers. The official MB Chart doesn't include Latin, which hopefully will recognize the necessity of including those genes too.

[Priyanka Chopra]

2 hours ago, Blue G said:

had they not discounted the original, the song's combined sales would be down from were it is currently. they needed to discount something so not to lose sales to pink, but save the remix for discount after the performance

Despacito's sales have been going down for weeks because it's really old. It's not losing sales to anyone. It's just not on a gaining trend anymore. The songs below it, like Wild Thoughts, just aren't selling enough to surpass it.

 

On the other hand, What About Us, is a new song that has strong interest so it can easily dethrone Despacito for a minute just like other new songs dethroned Despacito throughout the summer. The problem is that they fell after that and couldn't sustain sales because people weren't interested and Despacito was peaking then.

 

FYI they didn't discount the original Despacito last week and it went up to #11 on its own. Discounts are not not going to do much for songs.

[Ferret]

Pink song is already falling on iTunes. While two versions of Despcito are green.

[Phil]

7 hours ago, J-boy said:

Streaming Songs Chart

 

1. Despacito 

15,768,157

-13%

3. Wild Thoughts

13,350,959

-13%

 

 

 

 

 

 

6. Bodak Yellow 

10,185,894 +

14%

 

 

 

 

 

I've never heard of this chart before, I'm a flop  

Is it daily? Does it count all platforms?

[Pacaveli]

Streaming Songs Chart (only top 10):

 

1. Luis Fonsi and Daddy Yankee, featuring Justin Bieber - Despacito (Remix) (=)

15,768,157 streams (-13%)

 

2. 21 Savage - Bank Account (+1)

15,610,759 streams (+2%)

 

3. DJ Khaled featuring Rihanna and Bryson Tiller - Wild Thoughts (-1)

13,350,959 streams (-13%)

 

4. French Montana featuring Swae Lee - Unforgettable (=)

13,144,638 streams (-4%)

 

5. Lil' Uzi Vert - XO Tour Llif3 (=)

11,998,560 streams (-8%)

 

6. Cardi B - Bodak Yellow (Money Moves) (+3)

10,185,894 streams (+14%) *the biggest gain in streams*

 

7. DJ Khaled featuring Justin Bieber, Quavo, Chance The Rapper, and Lil' Wayne - I'm The One (-1)

10,130,320 streams (-11%)

 

8. Kendrick Lamar - HUMBLE. (-1)

9,864,720 streams (-11%)

 

9. Post Malone featuring Quavo - Congratulations (-1)

9,260,512 streams (-14%)

 

10. Travis Scott - Butterfly Effect (=)

7,946,408 streams (-6%)

 

Edited August 12, 2017 by Pacaveli

[simmnfierzig]

1 hour ago, Phil said:

I've never heard of this chart before, I'm a flop  

Is it daily? Does it count all platforms?

Weekly. 

Just on-demand streaming. Not 100% in line with Billboard numbers

[Prismee]

@simmnfierzig Do you think P!nk has a shot at a top 10 debut? It debuted at #62 on US Spotify. Thanks!

[simmnfierzig]

9 minutes ago, Slinky said:

@simmnfierzig Do you think P!nk has a shot at a top 10 debut? It debuted at #62 on US Spotify. Thanks!

Seems very unlikely

[Green]

2 hours ago, Slinky said:

@simmnfierzig Do you think P!nk has a shot at a top 10 debut? It debuted at #62 on US Spotify. Thanks!

Spotify is doing P!nk wrong as expected  

I guess she will only count with itunes, radio and maybe youtube

 

She needs some Spotify payola or a rihmix with a mumble rapper

[Sexy Boy]

3 hours ago, Pacaveli said:

Streaming Songs Chart (only top 10):

 

1. Luis Fonsi and Daddy Yankee, featuring Justin Bieber - Despacito (Remix) (=)

15,768,157 streams (-13%)

 

2. 21 Savage - Bank Account (+1)

15,610,759 streams (+2%)

 

3. DJ Khaled featuring Rihanna and Bryson Tiller - Wild Thoughts (-1)

13,350,959 streams (-13%)

 

4. French Montana featuring Swae Lee - Unforgettable (=)

13,144,638 streams (-4%)

 

5. Lil' Uzi Vert - XO Tour Llif3 (=)

11,998,560 streams (-8%)

 

6. Cardi B - Bodak Yellow (Money Moves) (+3)

10,185,894 streams (+14%) *the biggest gain in streams*

 

7. DJ Khaled featuring Justin Bieber, Quavo, Chance The Rapper, and Lil' Wayne - I'm The One (-1)

10,130,320 streams (-11%)

 

8. Kendrick Lamar - HUMBLE. (-1)

9,864,720 streams (-11%)

 

9. Post Malone featuring Quavo - Congratulations (-1)

9,260,512 streams (-14%)

 

10. Travis Scott - Butterfly Effect (=)

7,946,408 streams (-6%)

 

13% of a higher number is more than a 13% of lower number, so actually the gap is closing I'd say

[Badboidami]

9 minutes ago, Sexy Boy said:

13% of a higher number is more than a 13% of lower number, so actually the gap is closing I'd say

It kinda is 

[Prismee]

16 minutes ago, Green said:

Spotify is doing P!nk wrong as expected  

I guess she will only count with itunes, radio and maybe youtube

 

She needs some Spotify payola or a rihmix with a mumble rapper

She's not even most major Spotify playlists. Her team better step it up.

[Tsuko]

It's been well documented that there's a "#1 effect" and "top 10 effect".

 

If you climb to #1 or into the top 10 you get a slight sales boost, and if you drop from #1 or out of the top 10 your sales drop a little bit. It was especially noticeable on UK iTunes during the peak of the digital era (2009 - 2013 or whatever). On UK iTunes 90% of the time there'd be an unusually big gap between #10 and #11 on the iTunes pop bars back when we had them, and it would be common for songs to peak at #11 on iTunes (because they'd usually have a big gap to overcome to climb to the next position), but rare for songs to peak at #10 on iTunes, because if they got to #10 they'd usually get a small boost to #8 or #9.

 

It's similar with Spotify today. A song which climbs into the top 50 will usually get a bit of a boost, because being in the top 50 on Spotify is basically extra promo (you appear on the charts page and may get auto-played more often), like how being in the top 10 on UK iTunes used to guarantee you a spot on the iTunes home page.

 

So technically Pink being #1 on iTunes has probably decreased Despacito's sales slightly. I don't see why the "#1 effect" wouldn't still exist. Being #1 on iTunes is basically extra promo for a song.

[simmnfierzig]

There is basically no #1 effect anymore for a song that spend 14 weeks at #1

[Tinashebanks]

Wild Thoughts #1 next week? Hopefully pop radio drops Despacito now it's not in top #2 on Spotify/iTunes/Shazam 

[slw84]

13 hours ago, andthenwekiss said:

i honestly don't understand why the original version of despacito got discounted cause now the remix is falling 

They want to pretend the original was a smash on its own.

 

but the combined version of it and the remix will still hold

[Priyanka Chopra]

6 minutes ago, slw84 said:

They want to pretend the original was a smash on its own.

 

but the combined version of it and the remix will still hold

 

 

The original was already a smash on its own globally. In the US, it went Top 15 for the past few weeks without any discount and it's even surpassing the remix in a lot of countries where the remix smashed first. 

 

ATRL wants to diminish Despacito's success so bad.

 

[DELE2125]

52 minutes ago, Tinashebanks said:

Wild Thoughts #1 next week? Hopefully pop radio drops Despacito now it's not in top #2 on Spotify/iTunes/Shazam 

WT is still like 12M streams behind "Despacito"  And "Despacito" is STILL outselling it and Luis Fonsi hasn't even performed in Good Morining America. He will, later this week.

 

5 hours ago, simmnfierzig said:

Seems very unlikely

115k, 30M AI and let's say, 9M streams won't be enough even for a #10 placement?

[Ferret]

With both versions combined Despacito is still #1 on iTunes.