charts discussion HDD: Tidal manipulating chart for Meek Mill; 3rd time.

[Almighty Gaga]

They shouldn't count them for Billboard. This seems to be happening every week at this point.

[Artemisia]

I can't believe they don't have a no revenue stream rule. 

 

Free music for sale can't chart and there's even a minimum required retail price for the first 4 weeks. 

 

Why shouldn't a similar rule be implemented for streamed music? 

Edited July 27, 2017 by Artemisia

[iHype.]

5 minutes ago, Sunshine. said:

Tidal doesn't respond to anything nowadays. Like when Lemonade dropped and people were saying one thing or the next about it's 1st week streams. Same with Anti sales, and Pablo streams. That's not a valid rebuttal. 

 

The same way Spotify free tier streams are subsidized from another revenue source. The artist gets their lunch and it's up to the streaming company to make up that loss on their end (hence why Spotify has yet to break a profit). It's not really a great business model, but that's the price of hosting the music. Same with Tidal. It may not be the most financially beneficial to them to pay Meek to use his music for promo, but it's the price of hosting the music.  

Lemonade's streams were never called fake by industry people, HDD even posted an article saying they were likely legit defending them which you guys conveniently forget about when saying HDD has it out for TIDAL personally. 

 

They DID respond to Anti's sales being called out. They changed it to 'we meant Anti sold 400,000 globally' since there's no real actual global chart for them to be proven wrong again like the 460 situation with Nielsen. 

 

And what other source would be paying Meek for the streams? Spotify's ads pay for the free streams, there was no ads when listening to Meek's album.

 

[careerfatality]

2 minutes ago, phreshprince said:

Only the gays on this site would care lol

its hdd reporting. are you reading? 

[Vespertine]

Just now, Artemisia said:

I can't believe they don't have a no revenue stream rule. 

 

Free music for sale can't chart and there's even a minimum retail price for the first 4 weeks. 

 

Why shouldn't a similar rule be implemented for streamed music? 

!!!

 

If Born This Way gets an asterisk for eternity, this CANNOT stand   And Rihanna didn't get to claim 1 million first week sales with her Samsung deal. Come on now Billboard.

 

 

[iHype.]

7 minutes ago, phreshprince said:

Only the gays on this site would care lol

This attitude is so stupid.  Y'all discuss even dumber stuff on a daily basis such as 'who's 2002 VMA performance is more remembered?', 'which song was bigger in Cambodia?', 'does your fave have 3 5x Platinum singles?' as if anyone outside this forum cares about that either. 

 

If we're on a forum about artists and the music industry, then obviously it's interesting to the demographic and worth discussion. Nothing wrong with that.

[Dark Poet]

14 minutes ago, Sunshine. said:

 

I'll say it again: What is Meek getting out of this? 

 

#01 on BB200 (and reported false sales so it can look like there's actual interes in his album ). 

[Kassi]

9 minutes ago, iHype. said:

Lemonade's streams were never called fake by industry people, HDD even posted an article saying they were likely legit defending them which you guys conveniently forget about when saying HDD has it out for TIDAL personally. 

 

They DID respond to Anti's sales being called out. They changed it to 'we meant Anti sold 400,000 globally' since there's no real actual global chart for them to be proven wrong again like the 460 situation. 

 

And what other source would be paying Meek for the streams? Spotify's ads pay for the free streams, there was no ads when listening to Meek's album.

 

The "source" of the money paid to Meek doesn't matter so much as the fact that he is indeed compensated, at fair market value, for the use of his music in a free way by the company. 

 

That simple fact would help us to determine whether this is allowable, foul, or otherwise. 

 

With Jay's Samsung deal, it was clear that Samsung bought 1 million copes to give away and paid him $5 million. And Billboard didn't count it and that was fine. They had their different rules for albums. 

 

Now if that's the same sort of pay structure they went for with Meek's album, then it's totally okay when you consider other streaming services have free tiers, that pay the artist all the same, but have to dig up money from ads to compensate. "Ads" in Tidal/Meek's case would be Sprint or Tidals slush fund or w/e spare change account they have lying around (if they did indeed take the Jay-Z/Samsung approach).

 

What matter is whether Meek was compensated. Not what Tidal chose to do with those "bought" streams.

[ontherocks]

So this scenario is basically the following: from now on when a race to the No.1 is close and one of the contenders is somebody who is either close to Jay Z or simply popular towards the Tidal subscribers, we can easily expect the "Tidal acts" to come out on top. Giving them and Tidal free promo. So that's basically what it is, right?

Edited July 27, 2017 by ontherocks

[IBeMe]

Is Joanne the Scammer the CEO of tidal or something?! 

[Kassi]

9 minutes ago, Dark Poet said:

#01 on BB200 (and reported false sales so it can look like there's actual interes in his album ). 

I mean financially. We need a reporting on the actual deal between Meek and Tidal.

 

My position is very simple:

 

1) If Tidal didn't pay Meek in real dollars, at a fair market price, to free steam his album—that's a cheat.

 

2) If Tidal paid Meek in real dollars, at fair market value (~.0011 cents/stream or more), to free steam his album—then ya'lls problem is with the free streaming model in general, which includes Spotify's free tier and should be discussed accordingly. 

 

 

[iHype.]

2 minutes ago, Sunshine. said:

The "source" of the money paid to Meek doesn't matter so much as the fact that he is indeed compensated at fair market value for the use of his music in a free way by the company. 

 

That simple fact what would all us to determine whether this is allowable, foul, or otherwise. 

 

With Jay's Samsung deal, it was clear that Samsung bought 1 million copes to give away and paid him $5 million. And Billboard didn't count it and that was fine. They had their different rules for albums. 

 

Now if that's the same sort of pay structure they went for with Meek's album, then it's totally okay when you consider other streaming services have free tiers, that pay the artist all the same, but have to dig up money from ads to compensate. "Ads" in Tidal/Meek's case would be Sprint or Tidals slush fund or w/e spare change account they have lying around (if they did indeed take the Jay-Z/Samsung approach).

 

What matter is whether Meek was compensated. Not what Tidal chose to do with those "bought" streams.

Not paid til proven paid! 

 

But seriously though, 

1. If the industry is against the streams then it's likely there's no revenue on any sides

2. If they're doing this because he's in a close race for #1, there's probably no revenue for him but instead bragging rights of being #1.

 

I already know you're going to continue tugging onto the theory that maybe he was paid, so I guess we'll just have to wait until TIDAL is exposed once again (because we all know they'll continue to be exposed) 

 

[Kassi]

3 minutes ago, iHype. said:

Not paid til proven paid! 

 

But seriously though, 

1. If the industry is against the streams then it's likely there's no revenue on any sides

2. If they're doing this because he's in a close race for #1, there's probably no revenue for him but instead bragging rights of being #1.

 

I already know you're going to continue tugging onto the theory that maybe he was paid, so I guess we'll just have to wait until TIDAL is exposed once again (because we all know they'll continue to be exposed) 

 

I welcome any Tidal exposé, tbh. I'm always down to mess. 

 

Tidal could die and that'd be the best thing to happen to Beys career. I have no qualms either way.  

[Dark Poet]

8 minutes ago, Sunshine. said:

I mean financially. We need a reporting on the actual deal between Meek and Tidal.

 

My position is very simple:

 

1) If Tidal didn't pay Meek in real dollars, at a fair market price, to free steam his album—that's a cheat.

 

2) If Tidal paid Meek in real dollars, at fair market value (~.0011 cents/stream or more), to free steam his album—then ya'lls problem is with the free streaming model in general, which includes Spotify's free tier and should be discussed accordingly. 

 

 

Even if Tidal paid for those streams, it's not fair, and there's a hole in system (I will quote myself here).

55 minutes ago, Dark Poet said:

 

 

So you can stream album FOR FREE multiple times and it will count as multiple sales, even if it's streamed by same person.

On the other hand, if you buy multiple albums (by one transaction) it will count as SINGLE sale.

 

Logic canceled. 

 

BB should definitely change rules. 

Basically if one person buys 20 copies it will be counted as 1 copy, but if one person streams album 20 times it will count as 20 sales (and person doesnt even have to pay nor register). Doesn't seem right. 

Edited July 27, 2017 by Dark Poet

[DELE2125]

18 minutes ago, phreshprince said:

Only the gays on this site would care lol

And you care enough to enter this thread and post your useless comment...

 

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Tidal needs to be banned from the charts.

[Heart.me]

Cancel TIDAL.

[Ryann]

how can you not see the issue with this  billboard better clock ha

[xH4RMONYx]

1 hour ago, SebaMonster said:

People are still streaming it, so when it comes to popularity it's still fair.

 

If Meek goes #1 it's because he had the most popular album.

He got with the winning team. 

 

 

[Jaye]

 

[R.E.M.]

Lana is about to be scammed out of a rightful #1  

 

Billboard needs to intervene ASAP.

[R.E.M.]

Just now, Jaye said:

 

Expose the frauds at TIDAL Tyler  

[iHype.]

3 minutes ago, Jaye said:

 

fdjslf;d Tyler reading ATRL. A true gay

[shadesofcoolxx]

if they didn't count it when ANTI was released, they shouldn't do it now, it's literally available for free worldwide, no account, not even using a free trial, it's basically like listening to a leak  this is blatantly cheating and Billboard needs to update their rules + call them out, this is so pathetic.

[alexanderao]

6 minutes ago, Jaye said:

 

YES.

 

I hope he wins. 

[JBJT2786]

 

 

F*** That Check Up indeed

Edited July 27, 2017 by JBJT2786