charts discussion HDD: Tidal manipulating chart for Meek Mill; 3rd time.

[Superbitch]

Just now, Oxygen said:

I feel like Tidal are paying the Beyhive to defend this sham of a streaming service, how can one defend this stinking pile of burning ****?  

I thought they stopped doing this but they're still so passionate about #tidalforall lol

[Lose My Breath]

1 minute ago, Oxygen said:

I feel like Tidal are paying the Beyhive to defend this sham of a streaming service, how can one defend this stinking pile of burning ****?  

Bitch, I'm not defending, shut it down!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

 

 

[iHype.]

Just now, Tsareena said:

Do we know this for sure? 

Did y'all even read the article?

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Sources inside Billboard confirm that the publication is planning to count in-front-of-the-paywall Tidal streams of Meek Mill's Winners & Losers in the album’s chart total—and the potential chart ramifications are already seismic. Bible staffers are apoplectic over the lack of leadership at the top of the publication and the refusal to address the most naked example of chart manipulation in recent memory.

These free streams generate no revenue and thus equate to free goods, thus making them ineligible for chart inclusion. Also, the presence of the album in front of the paywall opens the way for unlimited use of bots to drive up streaming totals, unencumbered by accounts or logins.

 

 

[Kassi]

7 minutes ago, iHype. said:

"So Tidal is promoting the album at a loss to them?

 

I mean, that's how promo works sis. "

And there is rules purposely against that. A new album cannot be under $3.49 first week so they albums aren't sold at a loss price just to do huge numbrs. In theory, if an album is also being streamed for free without an account and nobody is being paid just to inflate the numbers, then there should also be a rule against it.

Theory is one thing. In practice, it's no different than Spotify recuperating money from the for tier from ads. Maybe Tidal is dipping into a Sprint fund, maybe it's an exclusive deal where Meek will pay it back with a live Tidal tour, maybe it's from Blue's trust fund. The method of funding doesn't change the premise of a free stream being a free stream. 

 

Meek and label are still being paid. The MUSIC itself is being sold at near the same minimum as Spotify does theirs (probably a little higher i.e. .0011 c vs .007 c per stream). 

[elemonated]

No official source said TIDAL or Meek aren't being paid. So I'm not going to believe what one ATRL user suspects. 

[Grumpy Gills]

*pretends to be shocked*

[iHype.]

Just now, Sunshine. said:

Theory is one thing. In practice, it's no different than Spotify recuperating money from the free tier from ads. Maybe Tidal is dipping into a Sprint fund, maybe it's an exclusive deal where Meek will pay it back with a live Tidal tour, maybe it's from Blue's trust fund. The method of funding doesn't change the premise of a free stream being a free stream. 

 

Meek and label are still being paid. The MUSIC itself is being sold at near the same minimum as Spotify does theirs (probably a little higher i.e. .0011 c vs .007 c per stream). 

It's not the same as Spotify. It's a free deal where TIDAL gets no money and Meek gets no money. It's not different than someone sending 1 million CDs to Target for free, then Target selling the CDs for free. No money is being generated from either side, and it's completely free goods.

[Gossip_Boy]

Shawn The Scammer strikes again

[Lose My Breath]

1 minute ago, AALIYAH DANA said:

Like....:skull: they're the only ones here for it, all the other stans of the TIDAL artist don't care about TIDAL. 

Lies, most of us HATE Tidal

[Oxygen]

1 minute ago, Lose My Breath said:

Bitch, I'm not defending, shut it down!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Let em know sis!!  

[Samson]

tidal stays being suspect as hell

[Miss Piggy]

11 minutes ago, iHype. said:

Yes, they do work. The album is in a deal to be streamed for free on TIDAL even without an account during it's debut week, to purposely rig the chart for it to go #1 in a close race.

 

If you think HDD is being "biased and hating TIDAL" by pointing that out, then you're delusional. 

I can't play the songs without an account.

[Tsareena]

Just now, iHype. said:

Did y'all even read the article?

 

I definitely read that and it doesn't mention the potential deal or if Meek is really not getting paid for the streams . I'm not here to defend tidal or jay z. Just that they're many ways other services have rigged the system and it being legal and I'm sure that's what happened here

[Oxygen]

Jay should have never bought Tidal, I feel like his legacy has been tarnished due to how much of a joke the service is   

[Kassi]

2 minutes ago, iHype. said:

It's not the same as Spotify. It's a free deal where TIDAL gets no money and Meek gets no money. It's not different than someone sending 1 million CDs to Target for free, then Target selling the CDs for free. No money is being generated from either side, and it's completely free goods.

How do we know Meek gets no money? I didn't read that in the article? 

 

That'd be the one thing to actually change my mind. Cause as long as it's the streaming service who has to deal with the loss, I don't see an issue. But if Meek actually isn't getting any money, then that's free music. 

[anastasha]

If Jay Zed has the audacity to cheat on Bey, what makes people think he wouldn't try to cheat the Billboard system?

[Blue G]

1 minute ago, Tsareena said:

Do we know this for sure? 

even if tidal was paying meek, it still wouldnt/shouldnt count for billbaord because its being give away for free.

and RIAA is not shouldnt certify it based off these sales because as some have said the streams can be generated by bots.

"That there is consumer demand and that the artist and label get paid a certain minimum amount. We satisfied both of them with Rihanna. We got the data from the service, we saw the redemption of the download codes. They couldn’t just send the album to consumers, the consumer had to initiate the acquisition"

[Blue Rose]

4 minutes ago, iHype. said:

It's not a deal, when literally no revenue is being genertated on either sides. That's like someone shipping 1 million CDs to Target and having them give away for free. If that wouldn't count for the charts, then why would this theoretically? 

 

Not the same. The artist and label still get money. Just because Samsung gave away 1M ANTI copies doesn't mean Rih and her label didn't get anything. Nothing is free. Tidal paid Meek for this. 

But I agree that it's very unconventional and there should be a system in place for Streaming, just like for Downloads. But until then, this is legal and I can't blame artists for taking advantage of it, the same way Katy took advantage of the touring bundle. Some called it cheating but it's a perfectly legal tool.

[iHype.]

Just now, Miss Piggy said:

I can't play the songs without an account.

You can. A notification may pop up saying they're 30 second teasers and you need to register, but exit it out and you can play the entire full song.

Just now, Tsareena said:

I definitely read that and it doesn't mention the potential deal or if Meek is really not getting paid for the streams . I'm not here to defend tidal or jay z. Just that they're many ways other services have rigged the system and it being legal and I'm sure that's what happened here

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A deal would be no different than the Samsung deal for free sales which didn't count for Billboard. So either way, the streams shouldn't be counted.

[infrared]

oh but remember when people were saying lana stans were ridiculous to think Tidal was cheating

[alexanderao]

1 minute ago, Miss Piggy said:

I can't play the songs without an account.

Click here, double-click on any song, and click the X in the pop-up window (the track won't actually stop at 0:30 like the pop-up says it will).

1 minute ago, Tsareena said:

I definitely read that and it doesn't mention the potential deal or if Meek is really not getting paid for the streams . I'm not here to defend tidal or jay z. Just that they're many ways other services have rigged the system and it being legal and I'm sure that's what happened here

The article says that the streams are free goods. 

1 minute ago, Oxygen said:

Jay should have never bought Tidal, I feel like his legacy has been tarnished due to how much of a joke the service is   

Completely agree.

[iHype.]

2 minutes ago, Superpower said:

Not the same. The artist and label still get money. Just because Samsung gave away 1M ANTI copies doesn't mean Rih and her label didn't get anything. Nothing is free. Tidal paid Meek for this. 

But I agree that it's very unconventional and there should be a system in place for Streaming, just like for Downloads. But until then, this is legal and I can't blame artists for taking advantage of it, the same way Katy took advantage of the touring bundle. Some called it cheating but it's a perfectly legal tool.

If the Samsung deal didn't count then why should this one count? 

 

And unless you saw know Meek's manager you can't assume he got a deal. We know for CERTAIN though, there is no money being generated from these streams so they are free goods like Samsung sales.

[stronger23]

Who gives a **** . This doesn't benefit me either way . I still gotta do my 8 hour shift tonight .

[Blue G]

6 minutes ago, Superpower said:

What HDD is saying is that deals like the one Meek has this week shouldn't count. 

 

And I don't blame Tidal for not reporting all their numbers to HDD via Buzz Angle. They've been nasty to them since day1. They reported their final numbers to the publication that matters, Billboard. It was basically a slap in the face of HDD and they've been angry ever since.

but why report to buzz angle at all if they werent gonna report all the numbers? and if sticking it to HDD is the motives then why create another talking point for them instead of just playing along and not let them have anything to cling to?

 

that logic make no sense to me, thats why i smell a rat...

[Artemisia]

23 minutes ago, iHype. said:

They're saying streams like this:

https://listen.tidal.com/album/76384491

Where you don't even need an account, you just go on the page and click play shouldn't count. It's basically like YouTube streams and can easily be faked with bots going to the page.

 

Nothing like that has ever been done on Apple Music & Spotify, where an account wasn't needed and you could stream an entire album free without an account by visiting a page. They don't even get any revenue from it. It's done for the sole purpose to inflate streams and cheat the chart, hence the only 2 times it's been done is during DJ Khaled & Meek Mill's album release weeks where they were projected in a close race for #1.

 

I can't play anything