Ash12345 Posted July 3, 2017 Posted July 3, 2017 1 minute ago, lonnie said: Then why didn't you add features for Rihanna? Coz the riaa doesn't see the SPS lists https://www.riaa.com/gold-platinum/?advance_search=1&tab_active=awards_by_artist&format_option=singles&type_option=ST#search_section
P!nkInside Posted July 3, 2017 Author Posted July 3, 2017 1 minute ago, lonnie said: Then why didn't you add features for Rihanna? I didn't add features for anyone. Like I said, it's an objective measure. Most of the times it's unrealistic to credit the featuring artist for a song's success. RIAA doesn't include features either. Cheer up!
lonnie Posted July 3, 2017 Posted July 3, 2017 Just now, Ash12345 said: Coz the riaa doesn't see the SPS lists https://www.riaa.com/gold-platinum/?advance_search=1&tab_active=awards_by_artist&format_option=singles&type_option=ST#search_section Then the same should be applied to the other artists seeing I can spot Say Something and Scream and Shout among others on the list, so what's the truth?
simmnfierzig Posted July 3, 2017 Posted July 3, 2017 (edited) 14 minutes ago, DELE2125 said: Oh, dear, Adele is bigger in the sales department BY A LOT... Let's not forget that 21 ALONE has sold more than Taylor's first 4 albums combined Adele is around 170M right now, because her Oceania + London dates have not been added, when they are, her total gross will be over 250M... That's really cool that 21 sold more than Taylor's first 4 albums?! Oh sorry. Didn't see there were missing dates. Thought those were her cancelled shows. Should have looked closer. Um... No? There is no way she grossed 80M from those 13 dates, but she will get higher than the gross from Taylor's first 3 eras. Congrats Took her being 9.5 years in the industry, while Taylor finished the Speak Now Tour after 5.5 years in the industry, so again not really a comparison that makes sense, but who cares. I could also start with forbes and streaming and whatever... Bottom line is they are pretty closer overall. Think Taylor has a slight edge, if you think Adele has a slight edge I'm not going to freak out. But I will get mad when someone says Adele has been way more successful than Taylor. Like that other person there did. Edited July 3, 2017 by simmnfierzig
lonnie Posted July 3, 2017 Posted July 3, 2017 Just now, P!nkInside said: I didn't add features for anyone. Like I said, it's an objective measure. Most of the times it's unrealistic to credit the featuring artist for a song's success. RIAA doesn't include features either. Cheer up! It's not unrealistic to question a featuring artist's success to a song when they've given the lead their only top five singles for instance, to say Rihanna did not contribute to the success on her featured songs is a lie and a joke
istan4badgalriri Posted July 3, 2017 Posted July 3, 2017 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Ash12345 said: Coz the riaa doesn't see the SPS lists https://www.riaa.com/gold-platinum/?advance_search=1&tab_active=awards_by_artist&format_option=singles&type_option=ST#search_section Billboard does. Soundscan does. Edited July 3, 2017 by istan4badgalriri
Ash12345 Posted July 3, 2017 Posted July 3, 2017 1 minute ago, lonnie said: Then the same should be applied to the other artists seeing I can spot Say Something and Scream and Shout among others on the list, so what's the truth? hmm thats weird tbh, he should correct it. I think princess of china is also a feat right? Xtina's credited as a lead on say something in the US though Taylor's both of us and two is better than one isn't included so I assumed all artists didn't have their feats
P!nkInside Posted July 3, 2017 Author Posted July 3, 2017 2 minutes ago, lonnie said: Then the same should be applied to the other artists seeing I can spot Say Something and Scream and Shout among others on the list, so what's the truth? Xtina and Britney have lead billing on Say Something and Scream & Shout, respectively. They are different from a feature. 1 minute ago, lonnie said: It's not unrealistic to question a featuring artist's success to a song when they've given the lead their only top five singles for instance, to say Rihanna did not contribute to the success on her featured songs is a lie and a joke I did not say Rihanna, specifically. For the sake of consistency, we need to have the same rules for everyone.
z10 Posted July 3, 2017 Posted July 3, 2017 Lady Gaga 1. Just Dance – 7.1m 2. Poker Face – 7.4m 3. LoveGame – 2.6m 4. Paparazzi – 3.5m 5. Bad Romance – 5.8m 6. Telephone – 3.4m 7. Alejandro – 2.6m 8. Born This Way – 4.2m 9. Judas – 1m 10. The Edge of Glory – 3m 11. You and I – 3m 12. Applause – 2.6m 13. Do What U Want – 1.2m 14. Million Reasons – 1m From every era
istan4badgalriri Posted July 3, 2017 Posted July 3, 2017 4 minutes ago, P!nkInside said: I didn't add features for anyone. Like I said, it's an objective measure. Most of the times it's unrealistic to credit the featuring artist for a song's success. RIAA doesn't include features either. Cheer up! RIAA doesn't include Scream & Shout in Britney's total.
Ash12345 Posted July 3, 2017 Posted July 3, 2017 1 minute ago, istan4badgalriri said: Billboard does. Soundscan does. Billboard never did in their top digital artists lists neither does Soundscan (remember when tidal reported the soundscan tallies of their artists). They give partial credit for their top hot 100 artists list tho.
DELE2125 Posted July 3, 2017 Posted July 3, 2017 (edited) 6 minutes ago, simmnfierzig said: That's really cool that 21 sold more than Taylor's first 4 albums?! Oh sorry. Didn't see there were missing dates. Thought those were her cancelled shows. Should have looked closer. Um... No? There is no way she grossed 80M from those 13 dates, but she will get higher than the gross from Taylor's first 3 eras. Congrats Took her being 9.5 years in the industry, while Taylor finished the Speak Now after 5.5 years in the industry, so again not really a comparison that makes sense, but who cares. I could also start with forbes and streaming and whatever... Bottom line is they are pretty closer overall. Think Taylor has a slight edge, if you think Adele has a slight edge I'm not going to freak out. But I will get mad when someone says Adele has been way more successful than Taylor. Like that other person there did. Her tour BROKE RECORDS OF ATTENDANCE in Oceania and the first two dates in the Wembley Stadium. She just cancelled the last 2 shows in London. Again, if you don't know the facts, do not make any assumptions. Adele with 9.5 years in the industry (less than Taylor) has OUTSOLD HER with only 3 albums. Has won more Grammys than her, and has had more impact in the music industry than her. But go ahead, and get the Forbes receipts, that have Taylor with more networth, since she has ENDORSED a lot of products/labels. Adele has turned down EVERY POSSIBLE ENDORSEMENT you could ever imagine, since she is a singer, and her job is to sing and make music, not be the face of some Soda, Make Up Line, or whatever. And, sweety, flash news. Adele has been and IS more successful than Taylor, and more talented as well. Edited July 3, 2017 by DELE2125
Ash12345 Posted July 3, 2017 Posted July 3, 2017 1 minute ago, P!nkInside said: Xtina and Britney have lead billing on Say Something and Scream & Shout, respectively. They are different from a feature. I did not say Rihanna, specifically. For the sake of consistency, we need to have the same rules for everyone. What about princess of china?
lonnie Posted July 3, 2017 Posted July 3, 2017 Just now, P!nkInside said: Xtina and Britney have lead billing on Say Something and Scream & Shout, respectively. They are different from a feature. I did not say Rihanna, specifically. For the sake of consistency, we need to have the same rules for everyone. Then put the features for everyone, shared leads are essentially features, it's basically grabbing onto a title but the gist of it is similar seeing Rihanna for instance contributes more to the song TIWYCF than what Britney, Nicki or Christina did for Scream and Shout, Bang Bang and Say Something respectively.
istan4badgalriri Posted July 3, 2017 Posted July 3, 2017 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Ash12345 said: Billboard never did in their top digital artists lists neither does Soundscan (remember when tidal reported the soundscan tallies of their artists). They give partial credit for their top hot 100 artists list tho. I'm pretty sure Billboard said Rihanna has 31 Top 10 hits/14 #1s and those include her features. I'm also pretty sure Soundscan published a list of Rihanna's best selling songs in the US and that list included LTWYL, The Monster, Run This Town, LYL. http://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/chart-beat/6605708/ask-billboard-rihannas-best-selling-songs-albums Edited July 3, 2017 by istan4badgalriri
P!nkInside Posted July 3, 2017 Author Posted July 3, 2017 2 minutes ago, istan4badgalriri said: RIAA doesn't include Scream & Shout in Britney's total. I was going by wikipedia. I shall remove it. Thanks! 2 minutes ago, Ash12345 said: What about princess of china? @istan4badgalriri told me it was a duet.
simmnfierzig Posted July 3, 2017 Posted July 3, 2017 Just now, DELE2125 said: Her tour BROKE RECORDS OF ATTENDANCE in Oceania and the first two dates in the Wembley Stadium. She just cancelled the last 2 shows in London. Again, if you don't know the facts, do not make any assumptions. Adele with 9.5 years in the industry (less than Taylor) has OUTSOLD HER with only 3 albums. Has won more Grammys than her, and has had more impact in the music industry than her. But go ahead, and get the Forbes receipts, that have Taylor with networth, since she has ENDORSED a lot of products/labels. Adele has turned down EVERY POSSIBLE ENDORSEMENT you could ever imagine, since she is a singer, and her job is to sing and make music, not be the face of some Soda, Make Up Line, or whatever. And, sweety, flash news. Adele has been and IS more successful than Taylor, and more talented as well. We are at caps now? Oh dear... Yes I know that Adele has outsold Taylor. I have stated that like 3 times. That is 1 part of this discussion. Whether her current tour grossed 170M or 220M doesn't change that much and I've said sorry... So relax. Grammys are part of this, but earnings are not? Lol, okay. Cool. "Impact" is subjective, don't see how turning down endorsements could be considered a good thing and "talent" is extremely subjective and insanely irrelevant here.
Actorguy21 Posted July 3, 2017 Posted July 3, 2017 On 7/1/2017 at 5:20 PM, hellocory said: I edited Pitiful sis.
DELE2125 Posted July 3, 2017 Posted July 3, 2017 (edited) 5 minutes ago, simmnfierzig said: We are at caps now? Oh dear... Yes I know that Adele has outsold Taylor. I have stated that like 3 times. That is 1 part of this discussion. Whether her current tour grossed 170M or 220M doesn't change that much and I've said sorry... So relax. Grammys are part of this, but earnings are not? Lol, okay. Cool. "Impact" is subjective, don't see how turning down endorsements could be considered a good thing and "talent" is extremely subjective and insanely irrelevant here. Grammys represent the reward of the MUSIC they are putting out, by critics and their peers. I don't see the correlation of that with Forbes. And impact, when Adele released 21 in an environment where Dance Pop was ruling the charts, and she changed the whole pop landscape at the time. And talent is not irrelevant here, since that is the main factor why Adele has sold as many singles + albums as she has, because she can actually sing and write music. Others just have to settle with one of the two. Edited July 3, 2017 by DELE2125
mike3009 Posted July 3, 2017 Posted July 3, 2017 Screaming @ how far the pressed will go to diminish someone's success. Kinda admiring. OT: Taylor & Rihanna slaying
ronelmaano13 Posted July 3, 2017 Posted July 3, 2017 1 hour ago, Erreur2 La Nature said: So in your opinion, a classic has to be famous is only one country in the world ? Classics are known absolutely everywhere, by everybody. Taylor doesn't have that yet. Because the thread is for the US? So you should only talk about what classics she has in the US to coincide that 1 million + songs she has. And for the record, in our country, she has a lot of classic songs. And just because you only heard Taylor last 2014 doesn't mean she doesn't have any classics.
Nerevanin Posted July 3, 2017 Posted July 3, 2017 Kelly has also A Moment Like This / Before You Love (double A-side single), which is be around 1.1M Quote https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Moment_Like_This As of June 4, 2009, the single has sold approximately 1,047,000 copies.[2] I suppose that Miss Independent and Piece by Piece aren't there yet, although they are probably close...
simmnfierzig Posted July 3, 2017 Posted July 3, 2017 3 minutes ago, DELE2125 said: Grammys represent the reward of the MUSIC they are putting out, by critics and their peers. I don't see the correlation of that with Forbes. And impact, when Adele released 21 in an environment where Dance Pop was ruling the charts, and she changed the whole pop landscape at the time. And talent is not irrelevant here, since that is the main factor why Adele has sold as many singles + albums as she has, because she can actually sing and write music. Others just have to settle with one of the two. Critics are not eligible to vote on Grammys We were talking success. Earning money is a big part of being successful imo. Adele changed the whole pop landscape? Wow. Impressive Only a legend Slay Let me ask you. If we put Adele's success as a 10 on a scale of 1-10, where would you put Taylor?
P!nkInside Posted July 3, 2017 Author Posted July 3, 2017 3 minutes ago, Nerevanin said: Kelly has also A Moment Like This / Before You Love (double A-side single), which is be around 1.1M It hasn't sold 1m digitally; this thread only counts digital sales.
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