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[lemonade.]

Seeing him grow from Section 80 to DAMN. is just so ****ing incredible and inspiring. Go Uncle Kenny!

[Starkboy]

11 minutes ago, Truth Teller said:

Can anybody help me find that website some members use to track Spotify playlists and also maybe tell me how to find stuff on it? Cause I remember I checked it a while back and couldn't really figure it out.

http://www.spotontrack.com/search

 

Search the artist, the song, click playlist and you can see in how many and which playlist that specific song is in

 

[Truth Teller]

8 minutes ago, Starkboy said:

http://www.spotontrack.com/search

 

Search the artist, the song, click playlist and you can see in how many and which playlist that specific song is in

 

Thank you, you're the best

 

I still can't get the search by track function to work (that's what I struggled with the first time too), but the Spotify ID / Artist searches work just fine  

[Starkboy]

1 minute ago, Truth Teller said:

Thank you, you're the best

 

I still can't get the search by track function to work (that's what I struggled with the first time too), but the Spotify ID search works just fine  

 

If I try to search the track I get some problems as well. You can search the artist firstly:

 

 

I hope this is helpful somehow 

[wish]

Oh my GOD, Kendrick  So proud.

[alexanderao]

4 hours ago, E Ó G H A N said:

He wouldn't have done 3,5 to 4 million, even if he dropped on a friday. You're delusional, if you think so.

Kendrick went mainstream with his new album and it paid off. That's that. What he just accomplished is insane.

 

Drake can try next time with actual rap songs this time, if he wants to break the record.

His singing career is holding him back.

 

  

Not saying he would have. In fact, I said it's useless to speculate on what the exact #s would be. I was just expressing that I wish he would have done that, and that he obviously would have done significantly more.

[Rico Shameless v2]

3 hours ago, UNNAMI said:

humble won't go 1 since he has no airplay and sales will be lower due to people buying whole album. he won't do that much more on streaming to get covered both sales and airplay

CMA is only reflected on Digital Songs.

[Kyungsoowift]

Did kendrick lamar's humble literally did 4M i cannot believe my eyes 

And that's spotify only

[Mark Rih]

Wow Kendrick

[UNNAMI]

3 hours ago, abrahamjmr said:

He has 4 million streams and HUMBLE. is charting in both Urban and Rhythm formats and gains over 1 million impressions overall every day. 

He has a chance.

4m today. I wish him 4m everyday but we will see that tommorow, just becuase he accomplished 4m today doesn't mean he will do that for whole week

[abrahamjmr]

2 minutes ago, UNNAMI said:

4m today. I wish him 4m everyday but we will see that tommorow, just becuase he accomplished 4m today doesn't mean he will do that for whole week

No one is saying he will but his streaming will probably remain stable throughout the whole week.

[brianc33710]

I HATE having these album tracks take over the ODS and ITunes charts!!! Kendrick has the entire Top 10 on Spotify! This destroys the integrity of both charts, as these tracks aren't clear representations of what are really hits. If the labels refuse to return to the one song at a time policy, then BB needs to only allow the official promoted singles to chart. This influx of these undermine the Hot 100, and prematurely force songs into recurrency. 

[alexanderao]

4 minutes ago, brianc33616 said:

I HATE having these album tracks take over the ODS and ITunes charts!!! Kendrick has the entire Top 10 on Spotify! This destroys the integrity of both charts, as these tracks aren't clear representations of what are really hits. If the labels refuse to return to the one song at a time policy, then BB needs to only allow the official promoted singles to chart. This influx of these undermine the Hot 100, and prematurely force songs into recurrency. 

I think the fact that we can gauge the popularity of album tracks in ways we couldn't before renders the charts more accurate than they were before. The Hot 100 is a chart of the most popular songs—and charting songs don't necessarily have to be singles. And if a song is more popular than some singles, I believe that the charts should reflect that.

[QueenofCopyPaste]

I wonder who will break Kendrick's record now

[Sinister]

1 hour ago, alexanderao said:

I think the fact that we can gauge the popularity of album tracks in ways we couldn't before renders the charts more accurate than they were before. The Hot 100 is a chart of the most popular songs—and charting songs don't necessarily have to be singles. And if a song is more popular than some singles, I believe that the charts should reflect that.

It's the recurrence rule that is straight trash

 

If a song has enough points to chart in the top 50 then it should chart in the top 50...point blank

 

That's the real problem...idk why BB thinks this rule is good because they usually make progressive moves but this has to be a step backwards

[volition]

1 hour ago, brianc33616 said:

I HATE having these album tracks take over the ODS and ITunes charts!!! Kendrick has the entire Top 10 on Spotify! This destroys the integrity of both charts, as these tracks aren't clear representations of what are really hits. If the labels refuse to return to the one song at a time policy, then BB needs to only allow the official promoted singles to chart. This influx of these undermine the Hot 100, and prematurely force songs into recurrency. 

those songs ARE clear representations of what are really hits, because in that week that they debut on the chart, more people are listening to them than other songs

 

so there is no undermining the hot 100, the problem here is prematurely forcing songs into recurrency, which is a problem with the recurrency rules.

[UNNAMI]

1 hour ago, brianc33616 said:

I HATE having these album tracks take over the ODS and ITunes charts!!! Kendrick has the entire Top 10 on Spotify! This destroys the integrity of both charts, as these tracks aren't clear representations of what are really hits. If the labels refuse to return to the one song at a time policy, then BB needs to only allow the official promoted singles to chart. This influx of these undermine the Hot 100, and prematurely force songs into recurrency. 

so by your logic, if official single song is getting 40 AI, 20k sales and 5m streaming and 10 Kendrick Lamar songs are getting better numbers but only HUMBLE. is official single, so the chart should look

 

1. humble

2. "official single song" by otther artist

 

not

 

1. humble

2-11 kendrick songs

12  "official single song" by otther artist

 

?

[AlBeRtX]

2 hours ago, Jeiboy said:

I wonder who will break Kendrick's record now

Every major artist, first single release. 

[alexanderao]

1 hour ago, Sinister said:

It's the recurrence rule that is straight trash

 

If a song has enough points to chart in the top 50 then it should chart in the top 50...point blank

 

That's the real problem...idk why BB thinks this rule is good because they usually make progressive moves but this has to be a step backwards

I completely agree

[brianc33710]

@alexanderao@Sinister @UNNAMI@volition My solution is a several pronged process dealing with base airplay requirements and a greatly weakened and more fluid (but not totally removed) recurrency policy.

 

Album tracks would need to reach a minimum airplay threshold that only properly promoted singles will reach, say maybe 5 M AI (maybe a little more) for a week in airplay on all tracked radio stations. This would split apart the "reals" from the "fakes," allowing songs like Let It Go, which was promoted and getting airplay at AC and HAC (but performed poorly overall at radio), from the album cuts played just a few times during a tracking week. And if a non-promoted track does barely break that threshold for one week, but not the next, it wouldn't rechart until it received the minimum requirements for airplay. And I have no idea why those sentences are highlighted, since I am writing these rules on my phone where I can't copy/paste anything.

 

While these exact numbers were obviously not the levels used by BB there was an airplay guideline the R&B/Hip-Hop Chart used for years (prior to the present hybrid version) to decide which "pop-crossover" songs were getting enough urban/UAC airplay at that format to let them chart on the main chart. R. Kelly's & Celine Dion's "I'm Your Angel" barely met the criteria, due to just enough UAC airplay for BB to count Angel's sales toward that chart. Angel reached #5 due to 1.4 M in CD single sales, but without the benefit of genre wide radio support. In contrast, Christine Aguilera's "What A Girl Wants" just missed (or maybe eventually did) reach the the threshold. Wants was a CD single with 600k copies issued (and sold). I do know Wants spent several weeks at #1 on Bubbling Under the BB RBHH Chart, but I'm not sure if it ever hit the threshold for the chart.

 

Regarding BB's truly terrible recurrency rules, I would discard 25/52/-1/+2 altogether, change 50/20/-1/+2 to 50/26/-4/+1 (cutoff position/weeks/consecutive loss weeks/weeks gaining to rechart), and would make those rules more flexible, taking into account unusual situations that cause an artis (high profile death, new album with multiple songs reaching radio threshold) to debut with a more than average number of singles to bump songs into recurrency prematurely.

 

So, as I said above, my solution includes this airplay threshold that separates the "reals" from the "fakes" on a weekly basis. Also, it weakens and relaxes (but stops short of outright eliminating)  recurrency policies, and allows RC fluidity when album release leads to a higher than normal number of debut songs from the same artist (required they make the MI threshold).

 

I'm going to bed so I can get to church later this morning. Happy Easter everyone!

[Letters From Adi]

8 hours ago, Sinister said:

It's the recurrence rule that is straight trash

 

If a song has enough points to chart in the top 50 then it should chart in the top 50...point blank

 

That's the real problem...idk why BB thinks this rule is good because they usually make progressive moves but this has to be a step backwards

I second this.

[popmusic]

1 hour ago, brianc33616 said:

Album tracks would need to reach a minimum airplay threshold that only properly promoted singles will reach, say maybe 5 M AI (maybe a little more) for a week in airplay on all tracked radio stations. This would split apart the "reals" from the "fakes," allowing songs like Let It Go, which was promoted and getting airplay at AC and HAC (but performed poorly overall at radio), from the album cuts played just a few times during a tracking week. And if a non-promoted track does barely break that threshold for one week, but not the next, it wouldn't rechart until it received the minimum requirements for airplay. And I have no idea why those sentences are highlighted, since I am writing these rules on my phone where I can't copy/paste anything.

I like this idea!

[omrimayo]

3.5m for Humble today and DNA at 3.

[abrahamjmr]

Kendrick still has nine of ten songs in the top ten and over 1,6 million streams today.  

HUMBLE. is at 3,5 million streams. 

I almost feel sorry for the haters.

[brianc33710]

14 hours ago, Sinister said:

It's the recurrence rule that is straight trash

 

If a song has enough points to chart in the top 50 then it should chart in the top 50...point blank

 

That's the real problem...idk why BB thinks this rule is good because they usually make progressive moves but this has to be a step backwards

BB has increasingly tightened up its recurrency rules for years. While the ODS, HSS, and HDS Charts don't have recurrency rules, but obviously the H 100 does.

 

As for all of the 40 position airplay charts, they started with a respectable 20/26 rule. Then BB added in 10/52, which still wasn't too bad. Next, BB changed the 20/26 to 20/20 on charts, and put in a three-tiered recurrency rule for AC, and HAC -- 5/52, 10/26/-1, and 15/20/-1. Early in the 2010s, BB further tightened the RC rules to 15/20/-1 in addition to the 10/52/-1 rule. I'm wondering if (probably more likely when) BB will change Alternative, AAA, and Mainstream/Active Rock charts to the 3 tiered RC policy used on AC and HAC.

 

In 1998, Country was a 75 position chart with a 30/20 rule. In 1999, 30/20 was replaced with 25/20. In 2001, the Country chart switched to 60 positions, and made the rule 20/20/-1. Around 2005, BB switched to impressions, and soon 15/20 became 10/20. Then, in 2010, BB started removing songs with -3 regardless of their age. In addition to this, a song could still be in the Top 10 In audience, but was moved to RC simply because it fell below #10 In detections. I've repeatedly asked why detections should even be considered on an impressions based chart, but I never got a legitimate answer. Also, given the slow nature of the Country chart, songs were, and still are, repeatedly removed to RC, only to reenter a week or 2 later when the songs start gaining audience again. For 2017, Country did implement a slightly improved rules that #1 songs would not fall off the chart the next week should they fall below #10, and that bulleted songs within the T 5 could not be removed the next week regardless of where they fall.

 

I actually asked Jim Asker about doing a podcast for the Top 30 positions without RC rules. Jim asked Gary Trust, and came back with an answer that said he could not give me permission to do such a podcast with the provided audience totals from the Country Weekly Update. I'm still trying to think of a way to get around this, but it'll have to wait until AFTER I finish my Thesis.

 

When I write about the Country Airplay Chart, I list the currents and recurrents together for the Top 30 of the chart. When I write about Active Rock and Alternative Charts, I use the MB All Stations + Recurrents Chart ranked by Audience instead of spins, once again for the Top 30. For AAA, which I combine with the Alternative audience articles, I use the MB All Stations + Recurrents Top 15, also ranked by audience.

 

I plan to also resume writing these articles after finishing my Thesis. I have to graduate, so that has to be my priority for now. That way, I'm doing what I can to get out the real airplay charts for these four formats. 

 

One more thing -- it's hypocritical how BB complains about none of the countdowns use their chart data, which is because apparently Nielsen BDS and BB won't grant permission for BB based charts without the increasingly aggressive RC policy in place. Basically, BB cuts off its nose despite its face by not allowing these countdowns to use the actual airplay charts WITHOUT the putrid RC rules.

 

I'll write about the increasingly aggressive RC rules for the hybrid genre charts later, as what I've written here is probably already too much to digest.