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June 25, 2020

11 minutes ago, iHype. said:

It debuted #15 with first day even with no playlists while around #200 on Apple Music. It was always getting Vacation/Writings on the Wall’d. Malone songs usually perform similar on Apple Music too.

Absolutely no artist in general has a song go top 10 on Spotify while struggling top 200 on Apple Music. Even PARTYNEXTDOOR type artists would be top 10 on both Spotify/Apple Music with Drake/Rihanna features. There’s never a difference that big between a song on the platforms.

It’s even charting below Better Now on Apple Music. Make it make sense.

Actually Tommy Lee was on New Music Friday the day of release then TTH a few days later, Post actually posted it and he usually does worse on Apple Music after a couple days. Post is a lot bigger on Spotify than Apple Music and Post and French don't have the same managers. There prolly is something going on though

Better Now is a Posty classic and it's still doing great on US Spotify and this is a Post feature not a song that went #3 and has had built in longevity

June 25, 2020

2 hours ago, B-Rabbit said:

Actually Tommy Lee was on New Music Friday the day of release then TTH a few days later, Post actually posted it and he usually does worse on Apple Music after a couple days. Post is a lot bigger on Spotify than Apple Music and Post and French don't have the same managers. There prolly is something going on though

Better Now is a Posty classic and it's still doing great on US Spotify and this is a Post feature not a song that went #3 and has had built in longevity

Spotify US - June 21st

1(=) DaBaby - ROCKSTAR 1,375,236 (-187,413)
2(=) StaySolidRocky - Party Girl 963,959 (-101,125)
3(=) The Weeknd - Blinding Lights 896,165 (-111,465)
4(=) Lil Mosey - Blueberry Faygo 875,618 (-87,936)
5(=) Harry Styles - Watermelon Sugar 790,286 (-115,283)
6(=) THE SCOTTS - THE SCOTTS 748,116 (-91,257)
7(+8) Tyga - Vacation 730,380 (+65,367)
8(-1) Roddy Ricch - The Box 726,912 (-86,242)
9(-1) Drake - Toosie Slide 681,354 (-84,766)
10(+1) Jack Harlow - WHATS POPPIN 672,698 (-84,725)
11(-2) Lil Baby - The Bigger Picture 668,144 (-94,347)
12(+8) Tyla Yaweh - Tommy Lee 657,375 (+75,575)
13(-1) SAINt Jhn - Roses (Imanbek Remix) 655,992 (-95,756)
14(-4) Megan Thee Stallion - Savage Remix 653,007 (-104,649)
15(-2) Lady Gaga - Rain on Me 619,947 (-96,248)
16(-2) Surface - Sunday Best 586,785 (-79,150)
17(+2) powfu - death bed 569,550 (-47,824)
18(-1) Don Toliver - After Party 569,294 (-63,057)
19(-1) NLE Choppa - Walk Em Down 559,156 (-61,403)
20(-4) Justin Bieber - Intentions 549,065 (-90,236)

21(=) The Kid LAROI - GO 521,271 (-46,753)

22.(=) Post Malone - Circles 510,628 (-52,846)

23(+2) Post Malone - Sunflowers 478,769 (-53,914)

24(=) Future - Life Is Good 472,490 (-65,465)
25(+1) Dua Lipa - Don't Start Now 466,710 (-62,629)
26(+1) Drake - Chicago Freestyle 465,288 (-60,654)
27(+1) 6ix9ine - GOOBA 461,529 (-52,322)
28(+4) Jawsh 685 - Savage Love 458,805 (-31,904)
29(-6) Beyonce - BLACK PARADE 441,644 (-113,938)
30(+8) Lil Baby - We Paid 438,194 (-27,931)

31(-1) Harry Styles - Adore You (-56,311)
32(-1) BENEE - Supalonely 436,145 (-58,060)
33(+2) Trevor Daniel - Falling 436,041 (-41,530)
34(=) Ariana Grande - Stuck with U 430,807 (-54,572)
35(-2) Dua Lipa - Break My Heart 429,522 (-61,116)
36(=) Polo G - Flex 426,004 (-45,874)

37(+5) Juice WRLD - Righteous 423,562 (-32,685)

38(+3) Travis Scott - Goosebumps 422,086 (-34,517)

39(+5) Juice WRLD - Lucid Dreams 420,360 (-31,136)

40(-1) Gunna - DOLLAZ ON MY HEAD 406,675 (-56,209)
45(+3) Sleepy Hallow - Deep End Freestyle 392,385 (-48,282)
46(+3) Roddy Ricch - High Fashion 385,029 (-43,448)
47(+6) Morgan Wallen - Chasin' You 377,459 (-27,925)
48(-19) J. Cole - Snow Of Tha Bluff 374,755 (-135,997)

49(+5) Lewis Capaldi - Someone You Loved 373,338 (-31,404)

50(+2) NLE Choppa - Shotta Flow 5 372,743 (-42,335)

Baby explain :dies: Neither of these songs performance on streaming makes any sense at all. It's not a bunch of coincidences.

Dre London is the manager for Tyga, Post, French, and even Tyla according to his Wiki.

That day was a Sunday (worst day for streams) + holiday (Father's Day). Like every single song in the top 200 lost streams except for those 2.

June 25, 2020

This does show that in my opinion you probably cannot directly pay for Today's Top Hits though.

Tyga and his manager paid for fake Spotify's streams & YouTube streams, yet they didn't make Today's Top Hits. I think it would've just been easier (and more efficient) to pay for TTH. Fake streams won't make real people interested, however playlisting exposure can. I think their intention was to get playlist exposure after charting high due to bought streams then that would lead to real streams.

June 25, 2020

1 hour ago, iHype. said:

This does show that in my opinion you probably cannot directly pay for Today's Top Hits though.

Tyga and his manager paid for fake Spotify's streams & YouTube streams, yet they didn't make Today's Top Hits. I think it would've just been easier (and more efficient) to pay for TTH. Fake streams won't make real people interested, however playlisting exposure can. I think their intention was to get playlist exposure after charting high due to bought streams then that would lead to real streams.

Spotify has spoken out about accusations that labels pay for playlist placements. According to them, it's not true and that's why they're constantly revolving songs on their most popular playlists. If your song gets a lot of engagement, it rises up on a playlist. If it gets less, it goes down. I think that's how they explained it.

June 25, 2020

2 hours ago, iHype. said:

Spotify US - June 21st

1(=) DaBaby - ROCKSTAR 1,375,236 (-187,413)
2(=) StaySolidRocky - Party Girl 963,959 (-101,125)
3(=) The Weeknd - Blinding Lights 896,165 (-111,465)
4(=) Lil Mosey - Blueberry Faygo 875,618 (-87,936)
5(=) Harry Styles - Watermelon Sugar 790,286 (-115,283)
6(=) THE SCOTTS - THE SCOTTS 748,116 (-91,257)
7(+8) Tyga - Vacation 730,380 (+65,367)
8(-1) Roddy Ricch - The Box 726,912 (-86,242)
9(-1) Drake - Toosie Slide 681,354 (-84,766)
10(+1) Jack Harlow - WHATS POPPIN 672,698 (-84,725)
11(-2) Lil Baby - The Bigger Picture 668,144 (-94,347)
12(+8) Tyla Yaweh - Tommy Lee 657,375 (+75,575)
13(-1) SAINt Jhn - Roses (Imanbek Remix) 655,992 (-95,756)
14(-4) Megan Thee Stallion - Savage Remix 653,007 (-104,649)
15(-2) Lady Gaga - Rain on Me 619,947 (-96,248)
16(-2) Surface - Sunday Best 586,785 (-79,150)
17(+2) powfu - death bed 569,550 (-47,824)
18(-1) Don Toliver - After Party 569,294 (-63,057)
19(-1) NLE Choppa - Walk Em Down 559,156 (-61,403)
20(-4) Justin Bieber - Intentions 549,065 (-90,236)

21(=) The Kid LAROI - GO 521,271 (-46,753)

22.(=) Post Malone - Circles 510,628 (-52,846)

23(+2) Post Malone - Sunflowers 478,769 (-53,914)

24(=) Future - Life Is Good 472,490 (-65,465)
25(+1) Dua Lipa - Don't Start Now 466,710 (-62,629)
26(+1) Drake - Chicago Freestyle 465,288 (-60,654)
27(+1) 6ix9ine - GOOBA 461,529 (-52,322)
28(+4) Jawsh 685 - Savage Love 458,805 (-31,904)
29(-6) Beyonce - BLACK PARADE 441,644 (-113,938)
30(+8) Lil Baby - We Paid 438,194 (-27,931)

31(-1) Harry Styles - Adore You (-56,311)
32(-1) BENEE - Supalonely 436,145 (-58,060)
33(+2) Trevor Daniel - Falling 436,041 (-41,530)
34(=) Ariana Grande - Stuck with U 430,807 (-54,572)
35(-2) Dua Lipa - Break My Heart 429,522 (-61,116)
36(=) Polo G - Flex 426,004 (-45,874)

37(+5) Juice WRLD - Righteous 423,562 (-32,685)

38(+3) Travis Scott - Goosebumps 422,086 (-34,517)

39(+5) Juice WRLD - Lucid Dreams 420,360 (-31,136)

40(-1) Gunna - DOLLAZ ON MY HEAD 406,675 (-56,209)
45(+3) Sleepy Hallow - Deep End Freestyle 392,385 (-48,282)
46(+3) Roddy Ricch - High Fashion 385,029 (-43,448)
47(+6) Morgan Wallen - Chasin' You 377,459 (-27,925)
48(-19) J. Cole - Snow Of Tha Bluff 374,755 (-135,997)

49(+5) Lewis Capaldi - Someone You Loved 373,338 (-31,404)

50(+2) NLE Choppa - Shotta Flow 5 372,743 (-42,335)

Baby explain Neither of these songs performance on streaming makes any sense at all. It's not a bunch of coincidences.

Dre London is the manager for Tyga, Post, French, and even Tyla according to his Wiki.

That day was a Sunday (worst day for streams) + holiday (Father's Day). Like every single song in the top 200 lost streams except for those 2.

Once again, Dre London does not manage French and Tommy Lee went top 10 on iTunes when it was released

June 25, 2020

9 minutes ago, B-Rabbit said:

Once again, Dre London does not manage French and Tommy Lee went top 10 on iTunes when it was released

And then left the top 300 on iTunes while entering top 10 on Spotify. That does not really ever happen :deadbanana2: Usually if a song is doing great out the gate on Spotify and increasing/staying stable, it also does the same in other services first week.

Dre London doesn't manage him my mistake, however they work together and know each other. Dre London said himself he has worked directly with him throughout his career.

Quote

U.K based music manager Dre London has made his mark in the music industry over the last decade by being responsible for leading music artists such as Post Malone, French Montana, and Tyga.

In this interview, Dre London shares his transition from the U.K to New York, connecting with French Montana, and navigating the early parts of his career.

https://kysdc.com/3782672/how-post-malone-and-tygas-manager-dre-london-leads-music-artists-to-success-why-am-i-hear/

June 25, 2020

4 hours ago, iHype. said:

This does show that in my opinion you probably cannot directly pay for Today's Top Hits though.

Tyga and his manager paid for fake Spotify's streams & YouTube streams, yet they didn't make Today's Top Hits. I think it would've just been easier (and more efficient) to pay for TTH. Fake streams won't make real people interested, however playlisting exposure can. I think their intention was to get playlist exposure after charting high due to bought streams then that would lead to real streams.

Yeah that's why many songs start up high and then quickly leave, they are very much rejected by the playlist's users

July 6, 2020

Most followed Artists on Spotify:

1. Ed Sheeran – 65 755 743

2. Drake – 47 419 664

3. Ariana Grande – 47 344 084

4. Rihanna – 37 814 745

5. Eminem – 35 958 009

6. Justin Bieber – 35 839 753

7. Taylor Swift – 30 267 160

8. Billie Eilish – 28 394 627

9. Imagine Dragons – 27 726 437

10. Shawn Mendes – 27 407 901

11. Queen – 26 679 329

12. Post Malone – 26 300 745

13. Coldplay – 26 146 879

14. Bruno Mars – 25 677 218

15. Maroon 5 – 25 310 591

16. Marshmello – 24 938 405

17. Ozuna – 23 330 789

18. Beyoncé – 23 253 720

19. Bad Bunny – 22 614 704

20. Alan Walker – 22 231 451

21. Adele – 21 911 961

22. The Weeknd – 21 482 891

23. David Guetta – 21 230 244

24. Selena Gomez – 21 193 162

25. J Balvin – 20 666 873

Monthly Listeners:

1. The Weeknd – 60,865M

2. Drake – 58,733M

3. Ariana Grande – 57,535M

4. Justin Bieber – 57,052M

5. Dua Lipa – 55,970M

6. Ed Sheeran – 53,349M

7. Lady Gaga – 53,222M

8. Travis Scott – 51,804M

9. Post Malone – 50.071M

10. Nicki Minaj – 50,039M

11. J Balvin – 49,820M

12. Khalid– 48,755M

13. Halsey – 45,403M

14. DaBaby – 44,130M

15. Beyonce – 42,446M

16. Maroon 5 – 42,433M

17. Billie Eilish – 42,060M

18. Ozuna – 41,751M

19. Marshmello – 41,711M

20. Camila Cabello – 41,370M

July 11, 2020

Most days in the top10 WW:

1. Dance Monkey 286

2. Shape of You 237

3. Don't Start Now 235

4. Lean On 215

5. Sunflower 213

6. Blinding Lights 211

7. NCloser 191

8. Can't Feel My Face 189

9. One Dance 187

10. rockstar 184

July 12, 2020

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July 12, 2020

Top female artists on Youtube:

1. BLACKPINK

11. Marilia Mendonça

18. Dua Lipa

19. Karol G

23. Shakira

24, Lady Gaga

25. Billie Eilish

31. Ariana Grande

42. Katy Perry

July 13, 2020

3 +1 Future - Life Is Good (Official Music Video) ft. Drake 4,700,095

I'm really confused at this still smashing so hard.

the song is "only" #81 on Spotify and #69 on AM (and rap songs tend to do way better on the on-demand platforms than YT). YT is a mess tbh

Biggest 2020 videos:

1. Life Is Good | 713M

2. GOOBA | 451M

3. Yummy | 439M

4. Yo Perreo Sola | 310M

5. How You Like That | 280M

the lead alone is big. and this would be like the first year where the biggest video is a 100% hip-hop track in forever, so weird (latin or pop videos tend to dominate)

July 13, 2020

2 hours ago, Starkboy said:

3 +1 Future - Life Is Good (Official Music Video) ft. Drake 4,700,095

I'm really confused at this still smashing so hard.

the song is "only" #81 on Spotify and #69 on AM (and rap songs tend to do way better on the on-demand platforms than YT). YT is a mess tbh

Biggest 2020 videos:

1. Life Is Good | 713M

2. GOOBA | 451M

3. Yummy | 439M

4. Yo Perreo Sola | 310M

5. How You Like That | 280M

the lead alone is big. and this would be like the first year where the biggest video is a 100% hip-hop track in forever, so weird (latin or pop videos tend to dominate)

It's that low on Spotify/AM because of the new albums from Pop Smoke and Juice WRLD. It's been pretty consistent on YouTube since it dropped.

Life Is Good's run on the weekly YouTube US Insights chart:

Jan. 10 - Jan. 16 - #2 (17.9M)

Jan. 17 - Jan. 23 - #26 (3.48M) [error, probably]

Jan. 24 - Jan. 30 - #2 (13.4M)

Jan. 31 - Feb. 6 - #2 (11. 1M)

Feb. 7 - Feb. 13 - #2 (16.5M)

Feb. 14 - Feb. 20 - #2 (19.1M)

Feb. 21 - Feb. 27 - #1 (19.4M)

Feb. 28 - Mar. 5 - #2 (15.9M)

Mar. 6 Mar. 12 - #2 (15.2M)

Mar. 13 - Mar. 19 - #2 (15.3M)

Mar. 20 - Mar. 26 - #2 (15.5M)

Mar. 27 - Apr. 2 - #2 (15.1M)

Apr. 3 - Apr. 9 - #2 (12.9M)

Apr. 10 - Apr. 16 - #2 (13.5M)

Apr. 17 - Apr. 23 - #2 (13.8M)

Apr. 24 - Apr. 30 - #1 (13.7M)

May 1 - May 7 - #1 (14.1M)

May 8 - May 14 - #2 (14.0M)

May 15 - May 21 - #2 (14.1M)

May 22 - May 28 - #2 (13.2M)

May 29 - Jun. 4 - #1 (12.3M)

Jun. 5 - Jun. 11 - #1 (11.8M)

Jun. 12 - Jun. 18 - #4 (13.1M)

Jun. 19 - Jun. 25 - #1 (12.7M)

Jun. 26 - Jul. 2 - #2 (14.4M)

Jul. 3 - Jul. 9 - #2 (11.35M)

Weeks on chart: 26 weeks

Edited July 13, 2020 by onewillowsilk

July 13, 2020

1 hour ago, onewillowsilk said:

It's that low on Spotify/AM because of the new albums from Pop Smoke and Juice WRLD. It's been pretty consistent on YouTube since it dropped.

yeah true but these YT numbers are still insane, especially considering how dead is YT in 2020

No Guidance was as massive last year yet it has less than 400M views (both video and audio combined)

Toosie Slide has basically the same amount of Spotify streams yet it still needs to reach 200M views (I'm pretty sure it was also a bigger global hit, and being global = more views, usually).

July 13, 2020

27 minutes ago, Starkboy said:

yeah true but these YT numbers are still insane, especially considering how dead is YT in 2020

No Guidance was as massive last year yet it has less than 400M views (both video and audio combined)

Toosie Slide has basically the same amount of Spotify streams yet it still needs to reach 200M views (I'm pretty sure it was also a bigger global hit, and being global = more views, usually).

LIG is obviously getting lots of recommended/next-up listings.

July 13, 2020

41 minutes ago, iHype. said:

LIG is obviously getting lots of recommended/next-up listings.

yeah that's what I thought. and that's why I think YT is "messy", AM/Spotify definitely became better tools of how successful a song has been, even despite all the complains about "playlists payola"

July 14, 2020

19 hours ago, Starkboy said:

3 +1 Future - Life Is Good (Official Music Video) ft. Drake 4,700,095

I'm really confused at this still smashing so hard.

the song is "only" #81 on Spotify and #69 on AM (and rap songs tend to do way better on the on-demand platforms than YT). YT is a mess tbh

Biggest 2020 videos:

1. Life Is Good | 713M

2. GOOBA | 451M

3. Yummy | 439M

4. Yo Perreo Sola | 310M

5. How You Like That | 280M

the lead alone is big. and this would be like the first year where the biggest video is a 100% hip-hop track in forever, so weird (latin or pop videos tend to dominate)

some Drake videos do ridiculously good on Youtube it's kinda crazy

July 14, 2020

15 hours ago, iHype. said:

LIG is obviously getting lots of recommended/next-up listings.

I actually did get one yesterday, I've probably streamed LIG like 50 times on YT compared to like 20 on Spotify messs

July 15, 2020

tho per kworb the most watched video this year is...

El Chombo - Dame Tu Cosita

even though it's from early 2018

July 15, 2020

What's up with those random Anuel AA songs in the top 100 (US) one day and OUT the next and then back super high again the next day... really fishy, Is this the same payola Tyga used? @iHype. ?

July 15, 2020

3 hours ago, Heart.me said:

What's up with those random Anuel AA songs in the top 100 (US) one day and OUT the next and then back super high again the next day... really fishy, Is this the same payola Tyga used? @iHype. ?

fff I just checked he has had songs re-entering and leaving the charts everyday for weeks :deadbanana: I don't even know where to begin or what purpose they are trying to achieve

July 16, 2020

I thought it was just a Spotifycharts.com glitch (having them being new-entries when they were already charting). I can't :deadbanana:

15th July

5. El Manual by Anuel AA | 312,465

99. China by Anuel AA | 298,802

108. Narcos by Anuel AA | 287,746

14th July

33. Reggaetonera by Anuel AA | 578,655

34. Hasta Que Dios Diga by Anuel AA | 569,503

53. Jangueo by Anuel AA | 495,904

72. Fútbol & Rumba (feat. Enrique Iglesias) by Anuel AA | 407,233

74. Narcos by Anuel AA | 401,594

13th July

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12th July

64. Narcos by Anuel AA396,000

83. Reggaetonera by Anuel AA348,379

92. Hasta Que Dios Diga by Anuel AA317,781

93. Jangueo by Anuel AA317,416

172. Fútbol & Rumba (feat. Enrique Iglesias) by Anuel AA220,487

11th July

46. Hasta Que Dios Diga by Anuel AA542,096

51. Reggaetonera by Anuel AA498,072

64. Narcos by Anuel AA451,169

71. Jangueo by Anuel AA411,128

72. Fútbol & Rumba (feat. Enrique Iglesias) by Anuel AA410,587

10th July

98. Hasta Que Dios Diga by Anuel AA | 338,685

185. Reggaetonera by Anuel AA | 238,234

9th July

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:deadbanana2:

July 19, 2020

Wow at the european countries eating UK up.

Italy

1. Karaoke : 547,686

10. MAMACITA : 323,646

50. Auto Blu : 133,798

Spain

1. Caramelo : 519,625

10. Hasta Que Dios Diga : 310,131

50. Colocao : 114,175

France

1. Jolie nana : 582,855

10. MACINTOSH : 225,604

50. Zipette : 108,297

Germany

1. Blaulich : 809,795

5. Tiefschwarz : 459,467

50. Gangster Queen : 174,007

UK

1. Head & Heart : 489,896

10. Secrets : 272,570

50. Dancing in the Moonlight : 112,970

These are last week top10 sum to see how much the biggest countries are contributing :

US : 67.731.554*
Germany : 34.968.409
Brazil : 31.293.670
Mexico : 29.510.518
Italy : 26.478.588
Spain : 24.569.896
UK : 22.238.951
France : 18.710.166
Netherlands : 17.473.816
Canada : 14.049.284
Indonesia : 13.673.210
Philippines : 12.731.530
Argentina : 12.472.907
Australia : 11.702.301
Japan : 11.624.853

*used last week #s cause this week it had those massive Juice wrld debuts

US numbers are really poor considering its population, but of course you have to take into account:

- Corona is affecting streams there in particular

- AM is way bigger in the US than the rest of the world (as big if not bigger than Spotify, while AM is kinda irrelevant outside)

- this is not a Summer rich of hits

July 19, 2020

@Starkboy not a surprise honestly, these countries are continuing to warm up to Spotify

July 24, 2020

i thought vacation was going to be a bop but it was absloute **** i could hardly make it through 10 seconds, payola is real

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