Communion Posted 10 hours ago Author Posted 10 hours ago 59 minutes ago, Sheep said: . I really wanted to emphasize the specific attacks Saying someone is doing x or y is not an attack, let alone when done so *in response* to said user making accusations of "cheering on trans genocide to own Kamala". The forum is *objectively* more hostile to progressives and you can't claim you're somehow being unfairly maligned and having "fallacies thrown at you" because you can't sufficiently bully someone into your world political view. Centrists got everything they wanted politically. You're setting yourself up for failure if you're only going to feel good or that the "scales are balanced" if you get retribution against everyone who didn't vote for Harris now that Trunp is elected. You're searching for an outlet over political realities and then get mad when people are not going to be punching bags. Why would I let someone tell me I'm cheering for trans people to be killed because I didn't vote for a candidate in a deep blue state? The irony is that user got a very nuanced and patient argument. The ire was aimed at Kamala - not them or any American voter - and yet somehow this is a problem. This is an issue. Why would I let someone who is not even America attempt to degrade and claim I *hate trans people* because I wouldn't bully or judge people for not voting for Harris? You think that's the reasonable position? lol And then when actual reasoning is met with "well you bully trans people" and "lol well I'm just gonna troll you and lie about what you do cause I don't like you," you think going "...okay, this is insane" is the mean reaction? You only get what you give. I don't care if someone did or did not vote for Harris. Right now, I care about Trump. If you're not the same and are going to focus more on settling scores, you can't be shocked when people stand up for themselves. 1
ClashAndBurn Posted 9 hours ago Posted 9 hours ago 7 minutes ago, Communion said: Saying someone is doing x or y is not an attack, let alone when done so *in response* to said user making accusations of "cheering on trans genocide to own Kamala". The forum is *objectively* more hostile to progressives and you can't claim you're somehow being unfairly maligned and having "fallacies thrown at you" because you can't sufficiently bully someone into your world political view. Centrists got everything they wanted politically. You're setting yourself up for failure if you're only going to feel good or that the "scales are balanced" if you get retribution against everyone who didn't vote for Harris now that Trunp is elected. You're searching for an outlet over political realities and then get mad when people are not going to be punching bags. Why would I let someone tell me I'm cheering for trans people to be killed because I didn't vote for a candidate in a deep blue state? The irony is that user got a very nuanced and patient argument. The ire was aimed at Kamala - not them or any American voter - and yet somehow this is a problem. This is an issue. Why would I let someone who is not even America attempt to degrade and claim I *hate trans people* because I wouldn't bully or judge people for not voting for Harris? You think that's the reasonable position? lol And then when actual reasoning is met with "well you bully trans people" and "lol well I'm just gonna troll you and lie about what you do cause I don't like you," you think going "...okay, this is insane" is the mean reaction? You only get what you give. I don't care if someone did or did not vote for Harris. Right now, I care about Trump. If you're not the same and are going to focus more on settling scores, you can't be shocked when people stand up for themselves. The fact is, merely voting for Kamala wouldn't even be enough, as evidenced by how forcefully they've pushed personal attacks against people like me, @Relampago. (who literally doorknocked for her!), and @i spit on haters Just merely "criticizing her for pledging to be no different on Israel-Palestine than Genocide Joe on a gay pop forum" is supposedly a major enough factor in poisoning the well for Kamala that we may as well have not even given her our vote at all. 3
Sheep Posted 9 hours ago Posted 9 hours ago (edited) 24 minutes ago, Communion said: Saying someone is doing x or y is not an attack When it isn't based in reality and the accusations are as severe as you make them, yes it is. It is one of the most corrosive forms of a personal attack. 24 minutes ago, Communion said: The forum is *objectively* more hostile to progressives It is not, it's hostile to fascist Republican trolls trying to divide and make a mockery out of progressives. This was true in the past but not in any point in recent memory. 24 minutes ago, Communion said: Centrists got everything they wanted politically. Nobody got anything they wanted politically except for fascist oligarchs who wanted exactly what's happening and you who would rather see our nation doomed than to come off of your imaginary pedestal 24 minutes ago, Communion said: You're setting yourself up for failure if you're only going to feel good or that the "scales are balanced" if you get retribution against everyone who didn't vote for Harris now that Trunp is elected. I never said or implied that was my intent. You are once again inventing a strawman to lash out against. 24 minutes ago, Communion said: You're searching for an outlet over political realities and then get mad when people are not going to be punching bags You're a clown who brags about their imaginary position as a political influencer but ALSO denies any responsibility for their words playing any part in negative outcomes. In a democracy every single person counts. 24 minutes ago, Communion said: Why would I let someone tell me I'm cheering for trans people to be killed because I didn't vote for a candidate in a deep blue state? "I pushed this forum left all by myself" cvm onion seems suddenly deeply confused about how words have reach and targeted, intentional lies might have negative outcomes. 24 minutes ago, Communion said: The irony is that user got a very nuanced and patient argument. The ire was aimed at Kamala - not them or any American voter You're a dumbass if you can see a post that is strictly full of quotes of your personal attacks and blanket accusations and still pretend anything you said was nuanced, patient, or aimed at Kamala. Here you are again using the phrase "American voter" to other this person, behaving exactly like a maga fascist. 24 minutes ago, Communion said: . I don't care if someone did or did not vote for Harris. This is the only truth in this entire masturbatory rant. Enjoy the next 4 years of your god-king that you wanted so badly soiling the union, cretin. Edited 9 hours ago by Sheep 1 2
Communion Posted 9 hours ago Author Posted 9 hours ago 3 minutes ago, Sheep said: "I pushed this forum left all by myself" cvm onion 1) Literally who has EVER said that string of words you've for some reason decided to put in quotes? 2) You think "silly" is a personal insult but I'm meant to be fine with what reads as some sexually degrading term? I am not a "cum" anything.
Sheep Posted 9 hours ago Posted 9 hours ago (edited) 1 minute ago, Communion said: 1) Literally who has EVER said that string of words you've for some reason decided to put in quotes? 2) You think "silly" is a personal insult but I'm meant to be fine with what reads as some sexually degrading term? I am not a "cum" anything. That was a very nuanced and patient post, my ire was aimed at Trump. I used a grossout nickname for a user who's engaging in gross-out behavior it isn't any deeper or intended to be some kind of sexual assault. Onion is not a sexual term. Edited 9 hours ago by Sheep
Communion Posted 9 hours ago Author Posted 9 hours ago 5 minutes ago, Sheep said: Onion is not a sexual term. Except "cum" quite clearly is So to be clear, not voting for Kamala Harris now means someone deserved to be sexually harassed?
Sheep Posted 9 hours ago Posted 9 hours ago (edited) 11 minutes ago, Communion said: Except "cum" quite clearly is So to be clear, not voting for Kamala Harris now means someone deserved to be sexually harassed? Clearly next to the word ONION, the connotation was of "cvm" was to be gross instead of to sexualize. Not in a million years, not even if you promised to stop being a republican troll, don't worry. The name was just 2 smelly things side by side. Edited 9 hours ago by Sheep
lgaga1fan Posted 9 hours ago Posted 9 hours ago 28 minutes ago, Sheep said: You're a clown who brags about their imaginary position as a political influencer but ALSO denies any responsibility for their words playing any part in negative outcomes. In a democracy every single person counts. Gather them again 4
Sheep Posted 9 hours ago Posted 9 hours ago (edited) 7 minutes ago, lgaga1fan said: Gather them again the irony of the karen in this scene being a white person in new jersey who doesn't care about trans people LS;DKFJGLKDJSKLFHJDF Edited 9 hours ago by Sheep 2
ClashAndBurn Posted 9 hours ago Posted 9 hours ago Liberals: Why don't leftists make threads about Trump and Republicans?! Are they actually secret MAGA themselves?!!?!?!?!!?! Also liberals when a thread about bad Trump policy is made by a leftist: Well, Cum Onion, this is what you asked for by attacking Godmala 1
Communion Posted 9 hours ago Author Posted 9 hours ago 27 minutes ago, ClashAndBurn said: The fact is, merely voting for Kamala wouldn't even be enough, as evidenced by how forcefully they've pushed personal attacks against people like me, @Relampago. (who literally doorknocked for her!), and @i spit on haters Just merely "criticizing her for pledging to be no different on Israel-Palestine than Genocide Joe on a gay pop forum" is supposedly a major enough factor in poisoning the well for Kamala that we may as well have not even given her our vote at all. Like.. the irony would be funny, but constant degradation and emotional lashing out is... ??? I mean: 15 hours ago, Illuminati said: Cheering on the potential genocide of trans people to "own Kamala" 15 hours ago, Illuminati said: cheering on Trump's victory 12 hours ago, Illuminati said: complaining and harrassing trans people who voted for Kamala 8 hours ago, Illuminati said: like you who were harrassing trans people who voted for Kamala 7 hours ago, Illuminati said: consult the voices in your head The below itself is absurd of a statement to ever make and I don't care if calling arguments "absurd" or "insane" or "illogical" is now "attacking people". 8 hours ago, Illuminati said: I shift the burden of blame on you actually Imagine telling a user that they are personally responsible for transgender people suffering and then being shocked when they return this aggression back. Even in the constant back and forth, progressives have to walk with their hands up going "TO BE CLEAR, MY ISSUE WAS WITH KAMALA, SHE WAS JUST A BAD CANDIDATE, Y'ALL!!" while liberals and centrists have no qualms about still ~holding grudges~ and ~settling scores~. But apparently it's "attacking" someone to say it's illogical and absurd for someone from Venezuela or Lithuania to quite literally argue that *re-reads Chinese spy card* someone from New Jersey is personally at fault for why Kamala Harris lost. You can coddle people for 4 years and spend 3 months going "no, no, you have every right to vote for the lesser evil" and actively cheering that someone you disagree with politically still wins an election, but if they run a bad campaign and lose? Well it's all your fault because you let yourself get upset at all those videos of limbless Palestinian children. 1
XDNA Posted 8 hours ago Posted 8 hours ago 3 hours ago, ClashAndBurn said: lmao, you people are always making **** up about me. gtfo That's not necessary. 2 1
Gaia Posted 6 hours ago Posted 6 hours ago 10 hours ago, Bloo said: It was neoliberals that bought Teslas thinking that this billionaire was going to save us from climate change. The biggest cheerleaders of Elon Musk until like... 2023 were liberals, not conservatives. The people that now like him thought he was a woke leftist because he said Tesla supports pride just a few years ago. But, this man has never changed. He's the same egomaniacal narcissist that is obsessed with wealth and clout as he's always been. But, because now he has changed his social positioning and made a more pointed attempt to invest in one side (as opposed to both political parties like in years past), now liberals are mad at him. This is why leftists say liberalism can very easily slide into fascism. Billionaires and the system designed to enable mass accumulation of wealth is the issue. Everything else is engineered to distract you from that. Elon Musk and his ilk weaponize social issues to manufacture cultural tension between conservatives and liberals while they increase their net worth by billions upon billions of dollars. Elon Musk was always evil and nothing he is doing now is fundamentally different from what he's always done, which is chase profit at whatever cost. These are very big generalizations. Teslas became a dominant car not just because of climate change, but because he made electric cars seem like a luxury. I lived in LA years ago and you'd see Teslas most often in Orange County and those are NOT liberals Sure, Elon wasn't nearly as hated as he is now, but for majority of Americans, buying a Tesla has nothing to do with Elon Musk. It's just seen as a luxury and popular electric car that similar to Apple aka a symbol. I am not a far leftist, but I've always hated Musk. He's always seemed like a insufferable douchebag and I've loved his humiliations (like the Cyber Truck glass breaking in his showcase). This is why Republicans are going to dominate politics in the near future. "Leftists" are too busy trying to demonize "Liberals" for not being "Leftists" meanwhile Republicans/Trumpies are united in their effort against the whole left. This is exactly what happened in the election. Leftists were too busy demonizing Liberals and Democratic government officials for not being further to the left while Republicans united behind Trump. And guess what? Post election its the same **** Republicans are celebrating their win and Trump while Leftists and Liberals blame each other for everything online. But you guys can continue to just blame other people for everything wrong.
ATRL Moderator Bloo Posted 5 hours ago ATRL Moderator Posted 5 hours ago 59 minutes ago, Gaia said: These are very big generalizations. Teslas became a dominant car not just because of climate change, but because he made electric cars seem like a luxury. I lived in LA years ago and you'd see Teslas most often in Orange County and those are NOT liberals Sure, Elon wasn't nearly as hated as he is now, but for majority of Americans, buying a Tesla has nothing to do with Elon Musk. It's just seen as a luxury and popular electric car that similar to Apple aka a symbol. I am not a far leftist, but I've always hated Musk. He's always seemed like a insufferable douchebag and I've loved his humiliations (like the Cyber Truck glass breaking in his showcase). This is why Republicans are going to dominate politics in the near future. "Leftists" are too busy trying to demonize "Liberals" for not being "Leftists" meanwhile Republicans/Trumpies are united in their effort against the whole left. This is exactly what happened in the election. Leftists were too busy demonizing Liberals and Democratic government officials for not being further to the left while Republicans united behind Trump. And guess what? Post election its the same **** Republicans are celebrating their win and Trump while Leftists and Liberals blame each other for everything online. But you guys can continue to just blame other people for everything wrong. You’re complaining about my commentary on big generalizations about Teslas only to cast a (wrong) generalization about liberals and leftists fighting on Twitter and ATRL as the reason for Trump winning rather than her running a bad campaign that didn’t resonate with voters, Biden being deeply unpopular and her refusing to distance herself from him, or the lack that there was no primary for voters to pick their preferred candidate instead? Sure, my statement about Teslas was based on a generalization. But my point is that it’s important to focus on the most consistent issue in the country, which extends beyond Trump alone, and that’s capital. That was my point. Elon was always a part of the problem by the virtue of him being a billionaire whether you thought he was a good billionaire trying to save us from climate change or a full-blown Nazi billionaire. He was always a problem given our current system. These discussions about the fundamental points of difference between liberals and leftists isn’t for vanity. I’m interested in discussing the future and where we go from here. Liberal and leftists generally see the fundamental challenges differently. It’s okay to discuss that. I don’t understand why people seem to have this allergy to discussion and debate within political spaces. Silencing debate and criticism for fear of “losing” is empirically unhelpful.
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