base talk Why Madonna never had a major public breakdown?

[futuresuperstar2023]

Madonna was strong and was fighting against social norms. She wasn't about to step down. 

[Oktober Knight]

Madonna embraced backlash and truly didn't GAF about what the media said about her.

[Schhh]

She was/is mentally strong.

[Europe]

It's so funny how the site has been dry AF lately with barely any interesting threads and when the OP actually starts a unique conversation most of you are more interested in criticizing them and the way they worded their OP rather than the actual topic at hand.

[Peak Now]

It's getting weird.

[Strawberry Bubble]

1 minute ago, Europe said:

It's so funny how the site has been dry AF lately with barely any interesting threads and when the OP actually starts a unique conversation most of you are more interested in criticizing them and the way they worded their OP rather than the actual topic at hand.

Yess! Exactly this :(. I haven't seen a thread about this anywhere, so I thought it'd be cool to start a discussion about it.

[AvadaKedavra]

Cause Madonna personality is harsher. She's highly intelligent and emotional, but in a darker, more calculating way
. It's in her nature-genetics—she exudes that predatory energy that some people are simply born with. Her brothers hated her for a reason.
She was born a leader, always carrying herself as the supreme figure and striving to be on top, far more unapologetic than someone like Taylor Swift.
All that backlash of course affected her but she was able to get over it.
She was also raised in a time where things were far harder (60s-70s) and with the death of her mother she had to learn to survive on her own very young. Specially when she lived in NEW YORK CITY.  
 

On the other hand, Britney Spears was someone born with a naturally bubbly and sweet personality. Reading her memoirs, it's clear she grew up as a kind-hearted girl in Louisiana, despite having unstable parents. She experienced both good and really bad moments with her family before becoming a superstar. So, britney was not totally by herself. To be fully covered in Armor was not needed. She was more vulnerable to a dangerous future. Her life was a rollercoaster of things
 

During her first two eras, Britney managed her fame incredibly well if you read her memoir, and things were going great and she was happy until everything unraveled after the Justin Timberlake situation. I like Timberlake, but there's no denying he destroyed her reputation-wellbeing on a global scale, and Britney, being so innocent, couldn't handle it. The guy is hot and talented but he's a snake lol. Sayin this a fan. Then the industry ravens and haters doubled down with the hate and her mental health was never the same. 
 

Her breakdown wasn't just a mental health issue—she also struggled with postpartum depression and the trauma of her abortion and that change your mind in really hardcore ways. Unfortunately, Britney was surrounded by toxic people throughout her life too, which only made things worse. To add to it, her family reportedly has a history of mental illness, which likely compounded her struggles. The perfect storm. Britney was the perfect storm
Bieber and Britney are definitely in that spot where everything is just wrong.  

But yep i think madonna had better tools to face the backlash and her personality is very tiger-trex-esque. Kinda scary. Queen.
Britney was half prepared and her personality is giving barbie-disney princess obssesed with music-dancing
At the end the hate both of these women faced is just gross. Its a very hard world for ladies. Back then and today
 

Edited 4 hours ago by AvadaKedavra

[LittleStarmen]

She was just not a victim. Her personality is to fight and also she pionnered being a business woman and artist.  Whenever something didnt go her way she was able to change her image and songs . She also grew up in the real world and was not a child actress or etc.. she only achieved fame around 25 which is where you are mature

Edited 4 hours ago by LittleStarmen

[kataraqueen]

This is such an increcibly problematic thread but I'll answer it since you're obviously being genuine.

Madonna didn't have a "media crisis" like Britney because Madonna was 27 years old when she debuted and she didn't have her first child until the ripe age of 38.

 

Britney became famous as a means to an end of her family's lineage of abuse towards women, only to then be abused by the entire world. 

 

 

Madonna was taken seriously because of her age, Britney was undermined because of her. This lead to a whole trickle down effect in which everyone assumed Britney was an idiot. This further lead to her character assassination in 2007, which is what finally lead to her rights being taken away from her at the age of 27

 

By the time Madonna had debuted, Britney Spears had already gone through all of her turmoil. The only reason Britney was put under a conservatorship is because she cut off her management and family from her own income aka she fired them. 

 

There ya go x

[Nightingale]

I feel like her Erotica era probably did do some mental damage on her. She was upset that she was flopping and got the backlash and ended up going a softer route with Bedtime Stories. If Taylor Swift hadn't written an album about it, we probably wouldn't have known her feelings about the backlash. Many artists have mental health issues and just never speak about it, especially back in the 90s

[brenda-walsh]

if you watch her interviews during Girlie Show Tour in '93 you can clearly tell she'd been through it bad + everyone thought she went off the rails at the time when she had the infamous david letterman appearance and was dating dennis rodman, so this is a bit of revisionism 

[Gorjesspazze9]

Why would you make this thread 

[kataraqueen]

8 minutes ago, AvadaKedavra said:

Cause Madonna personality is harsher. She's highly intelligent and emotional, but in a darker, more calculating way
. It's in her nature-genetics—she exudes that predatory energy that some people are simply born with. Her brothers hated her for a reason.
She was born a leader, always carrying herself as the supreme figure and striving to be on top, far more unapologetic than someone like Taylor Swift.
All that backlash of course affected her but she was able to get over it.
She was also raised in a time where things were far harder (60s-70s) and with the death of her mother she had to learn to survive on her own very young. Specially when she lived in NEW YORK CITY.  
 

On the other hand, Britney Spears was someone born with a naturally bubbly and sweet personality. Reading her memoirs, it's clear she grew up as a kind-hearted girl in Louisiana, despite having unstable parents. She experienced both good and really bad moments with her family before becoming a superstar. 
 

During her first two eras, Britney managed her fame incredibly well, and things were going great and she was happy until everything unraveled after the Justin Timberlake situation. I like Timberlake, but there's no denying he destroyed her reputation-wellbeing on a global scale, and Britney, being so innocent, couldn't handle it. Then the ravens and haters doubled down with the hate and her mental health was never the same. 
 

Her breakdown wasn't just a mental health issue—she also struggled with postpartum depression. Unfortunately, Britney was surrounded by toxic people throughout her life, which only made things worse. To add to it, her family reportedly has a history of mental illness, which likely compounded her struggles. 

But yep i think madonna had better tools to face the backlash and her personality is very tiger-trex-esque
Britney was half prepared and her personality is giving barbie-disney princess
 

It's also the combination of her doing a homestyle abortion which is TRAUMATIZING. Then, after 3 years of not being able to form relationships in her adult life, the only support she knew was her family. Then her dad bringing Diane Sawyer into her NYC home without telling her, which basically led her back to LA? There are so many key points in her life that are just baffling in the way that the people around her acted. She was dealt incredibly bad cards, ironically enough

[Afterglow]

The few viral Twitter posts about Chappel being rude does not make a media breakdown. 

 

In fact, no popstar has had as publicized and significant a media moment as Britneys who's even created an entire movement. 

[Afterglow]

The few viral Twitter posts about Chappel being rude does not make a media breakdown. 

 

In fact, no popstar has had as publicized and significant a media moment as Britneys who's even created an entire movement. 

[AvadaKedavra]

1 minute ago, kataraqueen said:

It's also the combination of her doing a homestyle abortion which is TRAUMATIZING. Then, after 3 years of not being able to form relationships in her adult life, the only support she knew was her family. Then her dad bringing Diane Sawyer into her NYC home without telling her, which basically led her back to LA? There are so many key points in her life that are just baffling in the way that the people around her acted. She was dealt incredibly bad cards, ironically enough

Her family definitely looked more "appreciative" of her when she was younger, they were always very problematic-haunted souls but when she reached that huge fame and status they just turned into 100% leeches. Its honestly such a sad part of the book.
When she went to hometown again  and all of them ignored her. That was the part when i was like........

Omg what a disgustin family. Im thankful i was not born in a family like that*

Everyone really should read her memoirs woman in me.
Is one of the best books i ever read and one of the best insights about Fame, Stardom and just everything
If you wanna understand american life better. Women trauma. The industry. 

Spill it hennie. She narrates her early life and all her good experiences when she was younger but there was definitely a very toxic enviroment in her house
You can see all the gaslighting readin the pages. All the blame. All the irresponsability.
Britney was livin a lie sadly.

 

[Donquizote]

Madonna knows how to play her game very well.

I think Taylor also possesses this trait too.  

[kataraqueen]

8 minutes ago, AvadaKedavra said:

Her family definitely looked more "appreciative" of her when she was younger, they were always very problematic-haunted souls but when she reached that huge fame and status they just turned into 100% leeches. Its honestly such a sad part of the book.
When she went to hometown again  and all of them ignored her. That was the part when i was like........

Omg what a disgustin family. Im thankful i was not born in a family like that*

Everyone really should read her memoirs woman in me.
Is one of the best books i ever read and one of the best insights about Fame, Stardom and just everything
If you wanna understand american life better. Women trauma. The industry. 

Spill it hennie. She narrates her early life and all her good experiences when she was younger but there was definitely a very toxic enviroment in her house
You can see all the gaslighting readin the pages. All the blame. All the irresponsability.
Britney was livin a lie sadly.

 

literally!!

 

I'm 24 now, and it's only now that I actually hold my parents and siblings responsible for how they have treated me. As a child, I was incredibly forgiving, and looked through my interactions with them with rose colored glasses. When Britney was my age, she had her babies. Then, when she finally had time to reflect on this, she was put under a conservatorship. It's incredibly messed up

[Strawberry Bubble]

27 minutes ago, Gorjesspazze9 said:

Why would you make this thread 

I'm just going to keep changing the title until everyone is happy lol

[Strawberry Bubble]

37 minutes ago, kataraqueen said:

This is such an increcibly problematic thread but I'll answer it since you're obviously being genuine.

Madonna didn't have a "media crisis" like Britney because Madonna was 27 years old when she debuted and she didn't have her first child until the ripe age of 38.

 

Britney became famous as a means to an end of her family's lineage of abuse towards women, only to then be abused by the entire world. 

 

 

Madonna was taken seriously because of her age, Britney was undermined because of her. This lead to a whole trickle down effect in which everyone assumed Britney was an idiot. This further lead to her character assassination in 2007, which is what finally lead to her rights being taken away from her at the age of 27

 

By the time Madonna had debuted, Britney Spears had already gone through all of her turmoil. The only reason Britney was put under a conservatorship is because she cut off her management and family from her own income aka she fired them. 

 

There ya go x

Yes, I think the main issue is that I was comparing women, which made it easy for some people to say, 'Madonna is strong, unlike X or Y.'

To be honest, I do believe Madonna likely struggled with her mental health at some point (like anyone would, given that level of attention and stalking). She even said Britney reminded her of her early years in the industry, especially when she visited Britney during one of her crises.

I just think Madonna was better at hiding it, partly because there wasn't social media or the insane level of media harassment that Britney faced.

[Rev8]

Public?
She gaf about how she presented herself and paparazzi culture peaked with Britney

 

Britney didnt care how she presented herself

she literally Wanted to break free from the people around her, so she lashed out on purpose half of the times

 

 

 

2 different situations and people.
 

[lauvender]

She's a strong woman, and a Leo 🦁

Not to make it about astrology but Leo's are usually very prideful and don't like showing their emotions or being vulnerable.

so even if she was breaking down inside, we wouldn't know because she puts a brave face. It's like never letting them see you sweat or breakdown.

 

She's very strong woman and a pioneer for women in the music industry and deserves her flowers and praises always!

Edited 3 hours ago by lauvender

[Jay07]

A crisis/backlash in your career and a crisis in your personal life are two different things. Britney had a crisis in her personal life which was due to mental health-the way her parents exploited her from a young age-her own self destructive choices. Madonna, Taylor and Chappell have their major or minor controversies in their career but their personal lives seem pretty stable.

 

Now, as to why Madonna could handle controversy better than Chappell or Taylor, it's just her personality and the way she navigated her career. Madonna always courted controversy, enjoyed attention and always had a playful way of dealing with the media. She never played the victim or invited pity and she had to deal with a LOT LOT LOT worse backlash than Chappell or Taylor (literally being the most hated person on earth at one point, every shitty comedian saying terrible things about her and her personal life). I'm sure she was hurt by the awful things people said about her but she had thick skin and was too strong to let people see her whine about it.

[Capris Groove]

Madonna has said in recent years that 1992 to 1994 was very hard on her and that she really had a tough time mentally. She also said she had a therapist during that time. So I think a lot was happening behind the scenes.

[theweekend]

3 hours ago, SlowGinFizzzz said:

Because she's probably the strongest and most badass woman the entertainment industry has ever seen. 

this

 

gaga is the one who went the same way but as soon as the pressure has got to her she gave up. it's really hard to handle it even deeper when it affects your success.