news Jason Paul drags mainstream Media at DNC Officer Forum

[ArtForFreedom]

 

 

 

Now this isnt the only reason but it def contributed

[FameFatale]

I mean, he didn't lie  The media is doing wall to wall coverage right now of "Why isn't Michelle Obama attending the inauguration??!! It's TrAditiOn!!!" Painting her as a petty person with crickets when Trump didn't attend Biden's inauguration as an outgoing president in 2021. The double standard of the way things have been reported are true. 

[vuelve88]

Yawn. DNC always finding every excuse while ignoring what people actually want. 

[IBeMe]

Delusional copium. Ppl want bold policies not incremental change anymore. Gone are the Obama-Bush-Clinton days of politics. Even if Biden's domestic policies were to be spouted in the media no one would believe it (sadly) due to misinformation but also because ppl no longer feel or want tiny incremental change anymore. Ppl will not buy that their better off just because u shove stats down their throats. It's time for establishment dems to simply recognize that Biden and Kamala were the wrong messengers and wrong candidates and that the neocon liberal order is shifting. Ppl want populism. To counter the dangerous populist right we need to push a populist left with bold socialist economical policies.  

[Onyxmage]

Drag them King.  Im sure there will be some angry essays in this thread from the usual suspects. 

[byzantium]

38 minutes ago, IBeMe said:

Delusional copium. Ppl want bold policies not incremental change anymore. Gone are the Obama-Bush-Clinton days of politics. Even if Biden's domestic policies were to be spouted in the media no one would believe it (sadly) due to misinformation but also because ppl no longer feel or want tiny incremental change anymore. Ppl will not buy that their better off just because u shove stats down their throats. It's time for establishment dems to simply recognize that Biden and Kamala were the wrong messengers and wrong candidates and that the neocon liberal order is shifting. Ppl want populism. To counter the dangerous populist right we need to push a populist left with bold socialist economical policies.  

This.  All of this.  What the democrats don't seem to understand is that people know that the status quo is broken.  They shouldn't be defending it because that erodes trust.  They need to offer an alternative solution.  
 

People talk about Biden's legislative accomplishments, but you need to succeed more than just in the legislature but in the actual implementation.  Most Americans can see that in the last 4 years their day to day has gotten worse.  Most public transit services are worse, traffic is worse, and everything is more expensive.  Now I know a lot of projects are in the works.  I live 1 mile from one of them but it's not opening until 2026.  That's far too long of a timeline and a failure of liberalism for it to take that long.  

[Lover]

this hottie

[qurl]

if Joe Biden wasn't a barely sentient bag of tapioca he could have better advocated himself for some of the legitimately good policies he implemented

 

i think even the most virulent critics of Joe Biden / Democrats (like miss @Communion) are able to admit Joe Biden did in fact accomplish good things during his 4 years, the problem is that after someone like Trump we needed transformative, generational, dare i say revolutionary change in this country instead of just a continuation of the Obama era. for every one good policy Joe Biden implemented, you can point to 5 examples of catastrophic mistakes his administration made in the name of "a return to normalcy"  no, this country is f*cking BROKEN. Joe Biden offered glue and popsicle sticks when we needed to legitimately rebuild this country and our democratic institutions from the ground up. 2024 wasn't 2020. we didn't have Trump bungling a pandemic so clear for everyone to see, but we did have Joe Biden not able to articulate why Americans were still feeling crunched by the economy, his disastrous foreign policy, and the glaring issue of his cognitive decline staring us in the face every day. he should have NEVER attempted to run for another 4 years and if he had more stamina he could have used part of his 4 years to uplift young progressive voices .. we didn't need Kamala, who never really told us who she was, we needed someone 15-20 years younger than her. he shoulders most of the blame as to why we must now endure another era of Trump. the media is never innocent in architecting political chaos, but they're not at fault here.

[JonginBey]

[IBeMe]

1 hour ago, byzantium said:

This.  All of this.  What the democrats don't seem to understand is that people know that the status quo is broken.  They shouldn't be defending it because that erodes trust.  They need to offer an alternative solution.  
 

People talk about Biden's legislative accomplishments, but you need to succeed more than just in the legislature but in the actual implementation.  Most Americans can see that in the last 4 years their day to day has gotten worse.  Most public transit services are worse, traffic is worse, and everything is more expensive.  Now I know a lot of projects are in the works.  I live 1 mile from one of them but it's not opening until 2026.  That's far too long of a timeline and a failure of liberalism for it to take that long.  

Exactly! ppl want swift and tangible change. I know Biden passed LEGITIMETLY good policies like his anti monopoly stuff via his appointment of Lina Khan but we are in an era where ppl DO NOT TRUST government so policy changes that revolve around monopolies, business mergers, taxations etc are not going to cut it right now. Ppl wanna literally see stuff change. This is in part why someone like Josh Shapiro is so popular in Pennsylvania...when that bridge collapsed he fixed it in a matter of weeks which was INSANE. ppl wanna see things and their tax dollars in use in real time (mind u i dont like him...he is an establishment hack too but using this one great thing he did as an example).

 

Now is the time to espouse bold infrastructure plans (which to be fair biden did want to pass via is Build Back Better plan but was knocked out in the senate due to Cinema and Manchin (though he could have blackmailed them and used the bully-pulpit a little but he was hardly sentient most times and couldnt pull something off like that sadly which was a WHOLE OTHER problem lol)). Ppl wanna see their roads looking better, wanna see more railway ACTUALLY being built and quickly too not like the failed train project in California which is taking forever for a small railway system, ppl wanna hear u upped the minimum wage from 7$ to at least a solid 15$ (which even then isnt enough but still looks good optics wise since u are doubling the minimum wage on paper), they wanna hear u talking about free or super affordable child care, they wanna hear about paid time off for moms who just gave birth, they wanna hear about capping the cost of ALL meds not just some select few, they wanna hear u talking about complete debt forgiveness and more community college funding etc...incrementalism is actually not a bad thing on paper BUT it is a sign of a thriving democracy that has done nearly everything it can to improve the lives of its ppl and just has some work to do on the minor details.... Not what u do when u have a near failing state like the US.

The US literally needs a new FDR figure who will implement insane levels of populist socialist economic reforms and make BOLD statements. Even if they end up not being able to pass everything at least SPEAKING in an aspirational tone about bold ideas will inspire ppl instead of the way ppl like Biden, Kamala etc talk about policies with so many caveats that it just ruins the optic of the proposed policy itself (great example is Kamala's down payment support policy...it has soooo many caveats that ultimately it made something that would have been AMAZING feel like a straight up joke).

 

Anyways this is just part of the issue. Like u said, there's also the major issue of constantly defending the establishment and status quo...ppl are TIRED of it. It's the era of populism and democrats are REALLY far behind on waking up to this reality and are in fact fighting tooth and nail to dig their head under the sand and lie themselves into believing it isn't so and that's just HORRIBLE politics. The ppl are SCREAMING it to you in your faces...dont keep ignoring it or else 2028 will be a BLOOD bath and make the 2024 results seem like a dream. 

[ArtForFreedom]

I mean he got done a **** ton of stuff in 4 years.. listen I agree the Palestine genocide and other factors but this cant be denied. Dems are awful at messaging and staying on the offensive 

[Bloo]

This man made 0 points. The mainstream media did everything they could to silence legitimate concerns of Biden's cognitive decline (which was clear to anyone paying attention). This idea that the mainstream media was harsh to Joe Biden when they actively derided anyone that challenged him as an ageist is a deluded take. 

 

There are other things Biden flubbed on as well (e.g., Build Back Better being completely dwindled down to nothing, not fighting for a $15 minimum wage like he promised, blocking the U.S. rail workers strike). His best achievements were his NLRB and withdrawing out of Afghanistan, but that's not enough to make up for all of his abject failures. The media covered up all of these failures and unfitness to serve while also refusing to challenge the immorality of his policy on Israel. The media was his biggest ally in these last 4 years.

 

Also, most importantly, the media's job is not to wave pom poms for the current administration. The media is supposed to speak truth to power. Their job is to challenge power and the current administration. Biden's job is to sell the competency of his administration. This idea that the media is meant to sing praises of the Biden administration is backwards. They should be challenging the administration more frequently so the American people know how well the president is serving their interests. It is not the media's fault that Biden was too unable to make a compelling case.

[HeavyMetalAura]

Why does he sound like Eureka from drag race 

[ArtForFreedom]

Lets remember that he had no majority all four years to pass anything progressive but he was still able to take on Pharma, beat inflation, brought down gas prices, created millions of jobs, spurred strong growth, boosted retirement savings and revived American manufacturing. The infrastructure bill and chips act will be felt for decades to come. While he wasn't able to appease everyone he still found ways to make a difference from cancelling student debt for millions, to tackling junk fees, enshrining the right to marry into federal law and a lot more. 

 

Yet all the media wanted to talk about was Trump and Biden's decline. Pretty pathetic and dems let it happen 

[Mike91]

Biden's decline was public and very obvious, the media didn't have to do anything to amplify that. The truth is, no one wanted Biden to begin with. He (and Kamala for that matter) had been underperforming in the primaries until everyone coalesced around him after he won SC. People voted for him under the promise that he would be a one term president and would serve as a "bridge to the future". Instead, he mistook the better than expected results in the midterms as a reflection of him, when abortion was the sole reason for that. Much like how COVID was the sole reason he even got elected to begin with. 

 

Yes, he signed a lot of good legislation but his administration still operated as if his election meant that Americans wanted a return to normalcy and were satisfied with the system. That was always going to come back to bite him and the democratic party (any incumbent party actually because this is becoming a global pattern). It's clear we've reached a point where transformative change and reforms are needed but democrats are not meeting the moment. 

 

Anyone trying to argue that we didn't talk enough about all the good Biden did are entirely missing the point because it wasn't good enough. 

Edited Friday at 09:49 PM by Mike91

[modeblock]

idk this dude, so i thought he was gonna go off and serve a surgical dismantling of these dinosaurian party, instead we got a meltdown defending that demented racist war criminal - embarazzinggg  

[Marianah Adkins]

That fattie is so embarassing lmao, represents everything wrong with the Democratic Party 

 

Like duh the media is going to talk about Biden's mental decline BECAUSE THE AMERICAN PEOPLE DESERVES TO KNOW IF THEIR PRESIDENT IS STILL CAPABLE TO DO HIS DUTIES. These idiot Democrats want to continue lying and gaslighting Americans just to protect their precious non profits and consultants. The deflecting is so disingenuous considering that the MSM spent a decade talking about Trump Trump Trump in hopes of destroying his reputation (but in the end it may have even legitimized him). 

[Bloo]

6 hours ago, ArtForFreedom said:

Lets remember that he had no majority all four years to pass anything progressive

Let's remember that EIGHT Senate Democrats voted against a $15 minimum wage proposal that could be passed via budget reconciliation which would only require a simple majority in the Senate and House (which he had at the time):

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/03/05/democrats-15-minimum-wage-hike-473875

 

Democrats are diametrically opposed to progressive causes because they are bought and paid for by their donors.

[ArtForFreedom]

1 hour ago, Bloo said:

Let's remember that EIGHT Senate Democrats voted against a $15 minimum wage proposal that could be passed via budget reconciliation which would only require a simple majority in the Senate and House (which he had at the time):

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/03/05/democrats-15-minimum-wage-hike-473875

 

Democrats are diametrically opposed to progressive causes because they are bought and paid for by their donors.

Yes SENATE

[Bloo]

27 minutes ago, ArtForFreedom said:

Yes SENATE

The Democrats had a majority in the House at that time too. Biden went into the White House with majorities in both chambers of Congress. 

[Communion]

12 hours ago, qurl said:

if Joe Biden wasn't a barely sentient bag of tapioca he could have better advocated himself for some of the legitimately good policies he implemented

 

i think even the most virulent critics of Joe Biden / Democrats (like miss @Communion) are able to admit Joe Biden did in fact accomplish good things during his 4 years, the problem is that after someone like Trump we needed transformative, generational, dare i say revolutionary change in this country instead of just a continuation of the Obama era. for every one good policy Joe Biden implemented, you can point to 5 examples of catastrophic mistakes his administration made in the name of "a return to normalcy"  no, this country is f*cking BROKEN. Joe Biden offered glue and popsicle sticks when we needed to legitimately rebuild this country and our democratic institutions from the ground up. 2024 wasn't 2020. we didn't have Trump bungling a pandemic so clear for everyone to see, but we did have Joe Biden not able to articulate why Americans were still feeling crunched by the economy, his disastrous foreign policy, and the glaring issue of his cognitive decline staring us in the face every day. he should have NEVER attempted to run for another 4 years and if he had more stamina he could have used part of his 4 years to uplift young progressive voices .. we didn't need Kamala, who never really told us who she was, we needed someone 15-20 years younger than her. he shoulders most of the blame as to why we must now endure another era of Trump. the media is never innocent in architecting political chaos, but they're not at fault here.

Yes, I think people forget there were effectively two different Biden presidencies. 

 

In the light of understanding his cognitive abilities begin to worsen and fail as early as 2021, his presidency was basically whoever had his ear, and we basically went from progressives having some kind of minor influence in the administration for the first two years during COVID to him giving popularist and tech billionaires his complete trust when they told his admin he had to do massive austerity.

 

At least putting up a fight to save some of his COVID-era policies and making it clear by 2022 he wanted to only run one-term like he promised would have ensured his legacy would have been remembered more positively domestically even with his grim foreign policy record.

 

 

[Communion]

In hindsight, it was fairly obvious that the Biden admin was already getting backlash In 2022 for trying to turn away from the very popular policies that propped up and saved America through COVID because they wanted to "make people feel like COVID was over". And yet liberals defended him and said to go full steam ahead.

 

Here you have the same liberals - now shocked Trump is back in office - defending Centrist Dems helping the GOP kill COVID-era policies cause *re-reads* "China's COVID concentration camps mean America shouldn't have expanded Medicaid". Notice how China is only ever a foil to defend American failure?

 

The SCOTUS action on abortion basically gave the Biden admin temporary relief in the 2022 midterms and his handlers mistook it as the green-light to go hard-right.

 

 

In what world do you kick tens of millions of people off Medicaid in light of the below statistics and think you'll be electorally rewarded?

 

The writing on the wall... 

 

 

[ArtForFreedom]

12 hours ago, Bloo said:

The Democrats had a majority in the House at that time too. Biden went into the White House with majorities in both chambers of Congress. 

True but not a super majority no

[Bloo]

54 minutes ago, ArtForFreedom said:

True but not a super majority no

You don’t need a super majority in the House to pass bills. You also don’t need one to pass legislation in the Senate through budget reconciliation (which only requires a simple majority) and that’s the process in which progressives were trying to pass $15 minimum wage. That effort failed because of Democrats.

 

There is no cogent defense of the Democrats here. 

[Communion]

2 hours ago, ArtForFreedom said:

True but not a super majority no