news Biden considered pardoning Trump, no longer speaking with Nancy Pelosi

[Relampago.]

25 minutes ago, Dreajae said:

 

Are you serious with your first paragraph? Don't cast off POC and white poor people's thirst for power and proximity on Biden being a terrible candidate who had to convince you to stop voting against centuries worth of policies that never benefited the majority outside of being white and favored for mediocrity.

 

Yall are attributing everything to the surface level of BLM, Gaza and grocery prices when the majority have been doing this over the last 200 years, and allowed key Republicn figures to destabilize the economy and disenfranchise everyone else under the assumption that it didn't hurt them as much. Yall are going to suffer this term and I'm not here for yall crying about Biden being such a bad candidate that you needed more convincing to not jump off a building and hurt the collective of America. 

I don't fully understand who you're addressing here.

 

l'll start by saying that, I'm very interested in getting Democrats back on a path of winning (as long as they are willing to make the changes they need to make which is unlikely), and in order to do that you HAVE to look at reasons where Biden and everything leading up to his candidacy failed. Biden was not only a terrible candidate, but a terrible president as well, if you can even call him a president. The majority of people on this site voted for Harris, hell, I even canvassed for her. It makes very little sense to finger wag at an individual voter and say "well now you can suffer! x" when we really should be analyzing and critiquing those in power to figure out why the Biden-Harris administration and campaigns were such a colossal failure. 

 

Why would we not want to point out how Biden was a disaster? His shortcomings NEED to be called out and heavily criticized so that people can understand how to move forward and improve, lest Republicans keep sweeping elections as long as the Democrats keep fumbling. 

Which actually brings me to the next point: Yeah, Republicans have been ****ing stuff up for a long time now, and guess who doesn't really care to stop them? Oh, yes, the Democrats! They reject abolishing the filibuster, they refuse to expand the courts, they do not fight for anything that would actually stop Republicans' agenda and that has become more and more apparent in the past 4 years. And to be honest, stooping the Republican agenda would be the bare minimum. Since they can't even do that, they live up to the namesake of Do Nothing Democrats. 
 

I personally don't believe the Democratic Party as is, is capable of reforming. I believe they'll stick to their status quo and continue to let Republicans run the country and keep their promises to their voter base— unlike Democrats, for better or for worse. Why you see that as the fault of individual voters, many of whom voted for Harris, and not two of the most powerful people on the planet (Biden and Harris), I don't fully understand. 10 million Democratic voters abandoned Harris, that's not a small feat. If you're not asking yourself why so many people are in agreement, POC and white people alike, on the fact that the Democratic Party is not worth voting for anymore, you might need to look in the mirror and have that conversation with yourself. 

 

Just to stay on topic and bring this back to the original point, Biden was willing to save the man you said you hate. Obama was cackling and rubbing shoulders with Trump as well. These people don't give a **** about you or me, they'll cozy up to Trump behind closed doors and in the open, because they don't actually give a **** if they take our rights away or not. Democrats are not benevolent. They'll save their own, and by that I mean the elite class they're all apart of— not their voter base. Biden probably did want to pardon Trump, and that doesn't surprise me at all. They don't actually hate each other and Biden doesn't care what happens to us in these next four years.

Edited Friday at 07:45 PM by Relampago.

[Bewitched]

I find that hard to believe tbh

[wehavetostan]

3 hours ago, DAP said:

How soon can we expect Dems and the media to rehab Trump as they did with the Reagans and the Bush family?

 

By Tuesday.

[nostalgic]

3 hours ago, DAP said:

How soon can we expect Dems and the media to rehab Trump as they did with the Reagans and the Bush family?

 

Obama already got the ball rolling

 

[stevyy]

6 hours ago, Arrows said:

After 4 years I have zero idea who Biden is and what he stands for

He stands for not being a Nazi. That would be enough for me to vote for him if I were an American. <3

[ArtForFreedom]

1 hour ago, stevyy said:

He stands for not being a Nazi. That would be enough for me to vote for him if I were an American. <3

They're in a narrow bubble and concentrate on only a few issues and ignore everyone else

[modeblock]

Why are we defending this ******* pathetic LOSER using Trump and White Supremacists when the very man you're defending is considering spitting in your face (again) and pardoning that demon? the donors and i are cackling  

Edited Friday at 10:11 PM by modeblock

[stevyy]

2 hours ago, modeblock said:

Why are we defending this ******* pathetic LOSER using Trump and White Supremacists when the very man you're defending is considering spitting in your face (again) and pardoning that demon? the donors and i are cackling  

he didn't and hasn't and won't. put away the knives, babe.

[ClashAndBurn]

4 hours ago, stevyy said:

He stands for not being a Nazi. That would be enough for me to vote for him if I were an American. <3

After what he's done to Gaza, I'm not even sure that you can argue that anymore.

[Communion]

8 hours ago, Dreajae said:

More senseless babble in this thread. Despite what yall say, Biden has improved in the economy and yall have made far too many excuses on why a YT supremacist won with deliberate lies he was caught in on that very stage.

 

Yalls people are racist and looked for every reason to not vote Dem out of fear that another minority group would be prioritized. Alot of yall would rather stay close to the bottom as long as you can guarantee that black people have it the worst. This is literally embedded in American history. We wouldn't even have social security if Dems didn't frame it a certain way to make the white majority more comfortable by saying that sharecroppers and servers (black majority jobs at the time) wouldn't qualify.

As @Vermillion said, your argument can only go so far. You can explain for why people flipped to Trump with that reasoning, but not for those who stayed home.

 

And Harris was hurt worse by people simply opting out of voting than flipping to Trump. It looks like Harris lost just as many black voters vs 2020 to the couch than Trump gained white voters who originally voted for Biden. I get the fear of class reductionism, but it's clear race reductionism as a means to understand why people vote how they do and what they want from their politicians backfired on Dems. 

 

[Communion]

8 hours ago, MattieB said:

Can i ....Can I hug you for this? Effortless and surgically accurate read

 

8 hours ago, NEUTRON said:

SAY IT AGAIN

 

5 hours ago, Dreajae said:

 

Are you serious with your first paragraph? Don't cast off POC and white poor people's thirst for power and proximity on Biden being a terrible candidate who had to convince you to stop voting against centuries worth of policies that never benefited the majority outside of being white and favored for mediocrity.

 

Yall are attributing everything to the surface level of BLM, Gaza and grocery prices when the majority have been doing this over the last 200 years, and allowed key Republicn figures to destabilize the economy and disenfranchise everyone else under the assumption that it didn't hurt them as much. Yall are going to suffer this term and I'm not here for yall crying about Biden being such a bad candidate that you needed more convincing to not jump off a building and hurt the collective of America. 

This entire logic doesn't work when Dems effectively traded poor voters for rich voters and the effect of that in a racist world is deliberately bleeding poor POC.

 

In reliably blue states, Trump won majority-minority towns - for many the first Republican to do so - by sheer collapse of turnout amongst black and non-black POC voters. There's no kind of racial hierarchy argument that somehow saves face to the ideas of standpoint theory. There's no "well *spins wheel* MIDDLE CLASS BLACK WOMEN IN EDUCATION LIVING IN A RURAL COUNTY OF A PURPLE STATE DID THEIR DAMN JOB!!". 

 

Democrats' coalition - by every understanding and measure we have - completely fell apart due to Democrats and Biden failing to meet the moment.

Edited Saturday at 12:37 AM by Communion

[Vermillion]