news Germany defends Greenland sovereignty. Hypocrisy with its stance on Palestine?

[brazil]

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/ckg9gvg3452o

 

Germany and France came to Denmark aid in light of Trump's threats of annexation, with German Chancelor stating: "the principle of the inviolability of borders applies to every country... no matter whether it's a very small one or a very powerful one".

 

Is this hypocritical in light of Germany's and France's continous support for Israel despite it continually violating Palestine and other country's sovereignty, including through illegal settlement expansion? 

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/articles/cz6lgln128xo.amp

 

https://www.un.org/unispal/document/israels-settlement-expansion-19aug24/

[DuffStan]

Absolutely, double standards for Lebanon as well! We will remember.

[Princess Aurora]

Yes but they should say the same thing about Lebanon and Palestine atp

[PopKills]

How ignorant do u have to be to equal Germanys history with Israel and … Greenland. 

[byzantium]

34 minutes ago, PopKills said:

How ignorant do u have to be to equal Germanys history with Israel and … Greenland. 

I feel like given Germany'a history, they would be more acutely aware of Israel's crimes.  invading the sovereignty of your neighbors and committing genocide against a persecuted minority seems something they would be more familiar with. 

[MP3]

Israel and Palestine are disputing a territory while there is no international consensus about their borders while Greenland is well known recognized by the international community to be an autonomous territory among the kingdom of Denmark. 

[Hey Babes]

I mean, hypocrisy everywhere, right? 

[shoganai]

Good luck going against the US lol The way EU is nowadays is useless and senseless 

[brazil]

1 hour ago, PopKills said:

How ignorant do u have to be to equal Germanys history with Israel and … Greenland. 

How ignorant do you have to be to make this comment when nobody even said anything about Germany's history 

 

1 hour ago, MP3 said:

Israel and Palestine are disputing a territory while there is no international consensus about their borders while Greenland is well known recognized by the international community to be an autonomous territory among the kingdom of Denmark. 

Israel's violation of laws, including through settlement expansion and land grab, is undisputed and recognized by all high international courts and bodies. Them being allowed to do so is merely a result of undisputed support for the illegallities they continously commit by major powers such as the US and yes Germany.

[MP3]

9 minutes ago, brazil said:

 

 

Israel's violation of laws, including through settlement expansion and land grab, is undisputed and recognized by all high international courts and bodies. Them being allowed to do so is merely a result of undisputed support for the illegallities they continously commit by major powers such as the US and yes Germany.

I'm not entering in the debate that Israel is right or Palestine is right, that's not the point of my respond, what I'm saying is that region is conflictual and polarizes a lot while Greenland is a peaceful democratic territory among a well respected stable kingdom in Europe and Trump claiming that he's ready to military take that territory and disturb even more the global political climate is where it gets serious.

[Cyanide]

They are so hypocritical and completely backwards at every point in the last century so I don't expect anything else from them 

[ICLDXU4HS]

Gonna need to see that evil demon Sch*lz rotting in prison some day.

[brazil]

 

 

11 minutes ago, MP3 said:

I'm not entering in the debate that Israel is right or Palestine is right, that's not the point of my respond, what I'm saying is that region is conflictual and polarizes a lot while Greenland is a peaceful democratic territory among a well respected stable kingdom in Europe and Trump claiming that he's ready to military take that territory and disturb even more the global political climate is where it gets serious.

"Greenland is a peaceful democratic territory among a well respected stable kingdom in Europe" - all it would take to change is an invasion by the US. Moreover one could argue that this invasion have already taken place in Palestine as a result of the British mandate and subsequent stealing of local land at the request of western countries for the partition of the country.

[Attitude]

Germany wants it for themselves.

 

[MP3]

12 minutes ago, brazil said:

 

 

"Greenland is a peaceful democratic territory among a well respected stable kingdom in Europe" - all it would take to change is an invasion by the US. Moreover one could argue that this invasion have already taken place in Palestine as a result of the British mandate and subsequent stealing of local land at the request of western countries for the partition of the country.

You compare a fully democratic kingdom with well established equal rights among all citizens to a religious-controlled authoritarian territory with poor human development index. Situations on the regard of the world on a possible military taking-control is way different on each side. 

Edited 9 hours ago by MP3

[brazil]

3 minutes ago, MP3 said:

You compare a fully democratic kingdom with well established equal rights among all citizens to a religious-controlled authoritarian territory with poor human development index. Situations on the regard of the world on a possible military taking-control is way different on each side. 

You're completely missing the point my dear, if you're talking about Hamas controlling Gaza. Hamas literally only exist as a result of Israel and the crimes committed by Israel since it's creation. They're a result of oppression and not the cause of it. Moreover we're talking about settlement expansion  in the West Bank which is governed by the Palestinian Authority and not Hamas. Improve your geopolitical and history knowledge before making illinformed comments.

[MP3]

6 minutes ago, brazil said:

You're completely missing the point my dear, if you're talking about Hamas controlling Gaza. Hamas literally only exist as a result of Israel and the crimes committed by Israel since it's creation. They're a result of oppression and not the cause of it. Moreover we're talking about settlement expansion  in the West Bank which is governed by the Palestinian Authority and not Hamas. Improve your geopolitical and history knowledge before making illinformed comments.

I never tried to explain why or how the Hamas is there. I'm stating the actual situation in Palestine versus the actual situation of Greenland. One is a religious-controlled authoritarian place and the other one is a fully democratic secular autonomous territory among a Western respected and full of allies Kingdom. The impact of a military invasion on Greenland would cause a global chaos way more intense and divisive due to a fully NATO interior invasion.

[on the line]

5 minutes ago, MP3 said:

I never tried to explain why or how the Hamas is there. I'm stating the actual situation in Palestine versus the actual situation of Greenland. One is a religious-controlled authoritarian place and the other one is a fully democratic secular autonomous territory among a Western respected and full of allies Kingdom. The impact of a military invasion on Greenland would cause a global chaos way more intense and divisive due to a fully NATO interior invasion.

You're being too factual. People prefer to go with emotional responses. I can see both sides, and this discussion is just gonna keep going in circles if it continues. 

[Cain]

I mean I get that pointing out the hypocrisy is important but…

 

These countries/governments do absolutely not care about 'fair' world order or the sovereignty of all states or something. They only care about their allies being protected. Which is why they will defend Ukraine and Israel in the same breath. To the governments it doesn't matter that their comparisons don't make any sense, those are the Western allies and so the Western states will defend them

 

Idk the sooner people realize all states are evil and only after their own protection the more we can work towards reforming them

[WildHeart]

2 hours ago, MP3 said:

Israel and Palestine are disputing a territory 

How so? Just because Israel basically invaded Gaza? By that same logic, will US and Greenland be disputing territory if US invades? 

[stevyy]

We in Europe stand wtih Denmark. Denmark is a wonderful country. (I'm living just 20 minutes south of its border).

 

Greenland is such a magical place as well. I've seen so many documentaries. Obviously, I dislike that they are still hunting whales... but every country has practices I dislike, I guess. No country is perfect. 

 

An invasion of Greenland which is an invasion of Denmark would render the UN charta of land borders obsolete and would mean that any bigger country count take land of a smaller on. We would automatically return to the dark age of imperialism from 130 years ago. 

 

It's worse enough that Putin did what he did. But if the US follows that trend simply annexing foreign territory, the world as we know it, will evaporate. 

 

I wonder how the UK feels about it. They always claimed during Brexit that the US would be their saving grace. And now the UK's big brother openly tries to destroy the remnants of the British Commonwealth by annexing Canada. 

 

But if push comes to shove, we in Europe will stand with the UK as well, and Canada... 

 

[MP3]

4 minutes ago, on the line said:

You're being too factual. People prefer to go with emotional responses. I can see both sides, and this discussion is just gonna keep going in circles if it continues. 

There's always two kind of people, the factual or the emotional ones. And let's just say that decisions made on emotions are the most regretted ones 

[UnusualBoy]

Sure, there's some hypocrisy but it's part of an European country and it'd like invading an ally neihgbour.

 

For the sake of the world stability, I hope US doesn't try it because that would lead to big conflicts or even a war.

Edited 9 hours ago by UnusualBoy

[PopKills]

1 hour ago, brazil said:

How ignorant do you have to be to make this comment when nobody even said anything about Germany's history 

Not at all, because Germany's history with Israel/with jewish people has everything to do with its stance. Germany, due to its past crimes against jewish people, is for a large part responsible for the creation of Israel so for them to openly deny them the right of a counter-attack against terrorists to defend themselves (Israel has now done way more than that and Germany has critizisied and taken action against the current settlement expansion) and not show support after the October attacks, that would be hypocritical. Overall Germany shows support for the defence and the right to exist for Israel, not for the current miliary land expansion. Just like it defends Greenlands sovereignty. So where's the hypocrisy? 

[Vermillion]

The reason they want Greenland is for lithium mining