news Cuba is on the verge of collapse

[Space Cowboy]

Cuba, the longest-running dictatorship in the Americas, is nearing collapse after 65 years of communist rule. The country is in deep economic trouble, with over 1000 political prisoners and more than a million people fleeing in the past two years.

 

Ration cards are still used, stores are empty, public transportation is almost non-existent, and buildings are falling apart. The government can't provide basic needs like food, water, or electricity.

 

Internet freedom is the worst in the Americas, hospitals lack medicine and supplies and doctors. Salaries are the lowest on the continent, and now the entire country is facing power outages.

 

China has cut investments, citing Cuba's failure to reform. The government is cracking down on small businesses, reversing earlier steps toward economic freedom. Cuba owes billions in debt: $50 billion to Russia and over $10 billion to China. But help from other countries is running out. Russia is focused on its war, Venezuela is unstable, and China won't support Cuba's broken system.

 

 

 

And for those who genuinely believe the narrative that "the US is solely to blame for all of Cuba's hardships":

 

Lifting US embargo on Cuba, in place for over 60 years, is unlikely to effect meaningful change unless accompanied by significant political and economic reforms within Cuba.

 

The Cuban government has used the embargo as a scapegoat for its own economic mismanagement and human rights violations while maintaining an oppressive, state-controlled system dominated by the military and a ruling elite.
 

Advocates for lifting the embargo without accompanying systemic reforms and free elections risk empowering the dictatorship further, enabling continued oppression.

 

 

 

 

[Virgos Groove]

36 minutes ago, Space Cowboy said:

Lifting US embargo on Cuba, in place for over 60 years, is unlikely to effect meaningful change unless accompanied by significant political and economic reforms within Cuba.

Cuba: The embargo is hurting our economy.

US: The embargo is hurting their economy.

 

Space Cowboy: No, it makes no difference whatsoever! But you can't lift it, because it's also a powerful enough chip to get the Cuban government to change their governance style. These are totally not contradictory statements!

Edited Sunday at 04:02 PM by Virgos Groove

[BrokenMachine]

Is water wet ?

 

Solo levanten el bloqueo, no es como que a Murica le importe mucho su 'democracia' cuando apoyan abiertamente a otros dictadores 

[BrokenMachine]

41 minutes ago, Space Cowboy said:

Advocates for lifting the embargo without accompanying systemic reforms and free elections risk empowering the dictatorship further, enabling continued oppression.

How?? It's been +60 years. This 'further' word says absolutely nothing compared with facts and history 

[Space Cowboy]

11 minutes ago, Virgos Groove said:

Cuba: The embargo is hurting our economy.

US: The embargo is hurting their economy.

 

Space Cowboy: No, it makes no difference whatsoever! But you can't lift it, because it's also a powerful enough chip to get the Cuban government to change their governance style. These are totally not contradictory statements!

First of all, I'm half Cuban, so spare me the oversimplified caricatures of this issue. I've grown up hearing the reality of how the Cuban government twists every narrative to suit its oppression.
 

The embargo does impact the Cuban economy, but it's not the root cause of Cuba's suffering, decades of corruption, incompetence, and brutal repression by the Cuban government are.

 

And my stance is not contradictory. The embargo is only a "chip" in negotiations if it's lifted in exchange for political and economic reforms that benefit the Cuban people, not the dictatorship. 

[Happylittlepunk]

I'm not surprised communism is the biggest scam in the world. It sounds great on paper but reality and facts says another thing in real Life. 

[Domination]

If Cuba and Assad's Syria fell less than a year apart… what an interesting time. Some of the last relics of the Cold War.

[Illyboy]

Paraphrasing a French teacher (Salim Lamrani, an expert in US-Cuba relations) who gave us a lecture at uni last year, the USA cannot fathom an independent Cuba so it has done everything it can to make the Cuban regime fail and if OP is correct then it has achieved so. USA wants Cuba to be their colony just like they have done with Puerto Rico (it even tried to take over Cuba when it was part of Spain: they sent multiple purchase offers all of which were rejected so they came up with the idea of blaming SS Maine sinking on Spain to go to war with them and take our former colonies but didn't account for the Cuban people's desire for independence in the equation).

Sure, the Cuban regime may not be the best but saying that USA's efforts to isolate it from any diplomatic and commercial interactions with the western world is not to blame is just wrong. If anything, it's a combination of both factors.

Edited Sunday at 04:58 PM by Illyboy
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[Illyboy]

@regulovalentin why do you disagree then? The cuban regime should be outed and replaced with... what? An American occupation? Bold of you to assume USA would allow a democratic candidate that wouln't align with their values, in the case they elected a leftist leader in the future (remember Operation Condor? Pinochet's regime of terror in Chile happened because America didn't want a left wong government in that country)

Edited Sunday at 05:01 PM by Illyboy

[Prodigal Self]

47 minutes ago, Space Cowboy said:

First of all, I'm half Cuban, so spare me the oversimplified caricatures of this issue. I've grown up hearing the reality

But you never lived there, correct?

[BrokenMachine]

2 minutes ago, Prodigal Self said:

But you never lived there, correct?

[Digitalism]

52 minutes ago, Space Cowboy said:

First of all, I'm half Cuban, so spare me the oversimplified caricatures of this issue. I've grown up hearing the reality of how the Cuban government twists every narrative to suit its oppression.
 

The embargo does impact the Cuban economy, but it's not the root cause of Cuba's suffering, decades of corruption, incompetence, and brutal repression by the Cuban government are.

 

And my stance is not contradictory. The embargo is only a "chip" in negotiations if it's lifted in exchange for political and economic reforms that benefit the Cuban people, not the dictatorship. 

Virgo is always talking about things he knows nothing about. He loves the fairy tale narrative of leftist dictatorships and ignores all the evidence that they don't work, even dismissing the experiences of people who actually live there.

[Trent W]

Communism is hell 

[Space Cowboy]

3 minutes ago, Prodigal Self said:

But you never lived there, correct?

I haven't lived there, but I've visited it many times throughout my life. The last time was three/four years ago during COVID. I went with my parents to bring non-perishable food to my grandmother because she was starving, and there was no food available there, not even for people who had money. The situation was already unbearable and extremely sad.

[Prodigal Self]

3 minutes ago, Space Cowboy said:

I haven't lived there

[Clonger]

Havana is a dirty place. Horrible city with unfortunately lazy people. They just sitting by the streat and talking and doing nothing and around them is a tons of garbage. It's not just an economy, it's about educations and norms of life. 

[Space Cowboy]

8 minutes ago, Prodigal Self said:

I've never implied that I did. This isn't the "gotcha" moment you think it is 

[AvadaKedavra]

One of my family members, my aunt, visited Cuba a few months ago. She's wealthy and always traveling the world—she's already been to Dubai, Thailand, and Rome. When she went to Cuba, the places she stayed were stunning—absolutely amazing. But during the trip, she and her friends talked to the workers there, and the stories they heard were heartbreaking. The workers opened up about the daily suffering they endure, and it brought my aunt and her friends to tears. It completely ruined her beach vacation.   Now my aunt is traumatized. She told us how much she regrets going to Cuba and indirectly supporting that dictatorship.

 

Now i wonder what happens if CUBA Collapses? The goverment will suffer the anger from their cubans and they will be free? 
Is a revolution there breeding? will Cuba turn into another HAITI?

 

Edited Sunday at 06:18 PM by AvadaKedavra

[TedLasso]

2 hours ago, Illyboy said:

but didn't account for the Cuban people's desire for independence in the equation

The US didn't care about their desire for independence. Their intentions during that era were to keep Cuba as a model for US backed states, hence why they pushed for independence and then kept US military and economic influence there. By the time FDR came into office, they stepped back believing that the US Cuban alliance was stable enough. That lasted a shaky 20 years lol. But yeah, still terrible reality but nobody should be led to think Cuban independence was purely out of the US' hands. If they valued the territory as much as say the Philippines, they would've kept the island as a territory for decades regardless of what citizens there wanted. 

[Virgos Groove]

2 hours ago, Digitalism said:

Virgo is always talking about things he knows nothing about. He loves the fairy tale narrative of leftist dictatorships and ignores all the evidence that they don't work, even dismissing the experiences of people who actually live there.

Oh, don't listen to me. Listen to them:

 

But I know what you'll say. They were all brainwashed by the regime or forced to prostest.

 

In that case, let's listen to a random American Cuban (a Castro-sceptic one at that), whose opinion is just as valuable as @Space Cowboy's!

 

 

[MP3]

Cuba is such a wasted opportunity, it's sad. It's becoming slowly like Haiti, a failed state with no societal control 

[SinnerCity]

3 hours ago, Space Cowboy said:

First of all, I'm half Cuban, so spare me the oversimplified caricatures of this issue. I've grown up hearing the reality of how the Cuban government twists every narrative to suit its oppression.
 

The embargo does impact the Cuban economy, but it's not the root cause of Cuba's suffering, decades of corruption, incompetence, and brutal repression by the Cuban government are.

 

And my stance is not contradictory. The embargo is only a "chip" in negotiations if it's lifted in exchange for political and economic reforms that benefit the Cuban people, not the dictatorship. 

This is giving 'trust me bro' energy and lacks any sort of logic. You weren't born and raised in Cuba, and I'm not even sure if you've ever even visited the country before for you to advocate for something you haven't even experienced first hand.

[Loca]

1 hour ago, AvadaKedavra said:

One of my family members, my aunt, visited Cuba a few months ago. She's wealthy and always traveling the world—she's already been to Dubai, Thailand, and Rome. When she went to Cuba, the places she stayed were stunning—absolutely amazing. But during the trip, she and her friends talked to the workers there, and the stories they heard were heartbreaking. The workers opened up about the daily suffering they endure, and it brought my aunt and her friends to tears. It completely ruined her beach vacation.   Now my aunt is traumatized. She told us how much she regrets going to Cuba and indirectly supporting that dictatorship.

 

Now i wonder what happens if CUBA Collapses? The goverment will suffer the anger from their cubans and they will be free? 
Is a revolution there breeding? will Cuba turn into another HAITI?

 

I'm so sorry your rich ass auntie went through that. What has the world turned into? 

[AvadaKedavra]

1 hour ago, Loca said:

I'm so sorry your rich ass auntie went through that. What has the world turned into? 

Tea. U go to a destroyed-ruined country and you expect the country to be a paradise. Her fault.
Since she went wealthy she's very lost and has turned superficial. 

My heart breaks for all that people in Cuba strugglin. 
All latinos from raudal we know how the people from cuba suffer and nicaragua and venezuela
The only ones i see glamorizing that country are americans and some europeans with all life comforts-wellness but afraid of movin to those countries



Praying for cuba to be free this decade.
Here for a socialist progressive cuba but not the mess they have right now with those authoritarians
Im Against the American embargo-sanctions too. Instead of helpin them its ruining the lifehood there.


But ATRL has so many tankie-commie members. So im in danger. 
Help me sistrens. Theyre comin 4 me. They have their lazers ready pointing. SOS
Im scared of em

  

 

Edited Sunday at 09:06 PM by AvadaKedavra

[SmittenCake]

3 hours ago, MP3 said:

becoming slowly like Haiti, a failed state with no societal control 

what do you think made Haiti become the state it is today