news Cuba's "Yo, sí puedo" program helps Honduras stomp out illiteracy

[SmittenCake]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[vuelve88]

 

[Virgos Groove]

 

Imagine what Cuba could be achieving if the world's biggest superpower stopped strangling their economy and lifted the embargo.

Edited yesterday at 12:08 AM by Virgos Groove

[Space Cowboy]

25 minutes ago, Virgos Groove said:

 

Imagine what Cuba could be achieving if the world's biggest superpower stopped strangling their economy and lifted the embargo.

Imagine what Cuba could achieve if it weren't under an authoritarian dictatorship that oppresses and kills its citizens 

[SmittenCake]

22 minutes ago, Space Cowboy said:

Imagine what Cuba could achieve if it weren't under an authoritarian dictatorship that oppresses and kills its citizens 

I love when you say things like this and then in any other thread justify the murder of Palestinians and cosign to the idea of banning women from wearing what they would want to wear. Just stop because every other take of yours is fascist GARBAGE 🗑 

[Space Cowboy]

17 minutes ago, SmittenCake said:

I love when you say things like this and then in any other thread justify the murder of Palestinians and cosign to the idea of banning women from wearing what they would want to wear. Just stop because every other take of yours is fascist GARBAGE 🗑 

WTFFF what are u even talking about

 

1. I fully support the Palestinian cause and I strongly oppose Israel's genocide. Where TF did I imply otherwise?

 

2. i don't support the hijab because I view it as a tool for controlling women and I believe many women are forced and brainwashed to wear it rather than choosing that for themselves. My opposition to the hijab is rooted fully in feminist principles.

 

3. I am literally half Cuban, my mother is Cuban, and so is half of my family. I've heard first-hand stories of how the Cuban government has destroyed lives, and has forced people to flee.  So I believe I have the right to speak on this matter.

 

 

Edited yesterday at 01:19 AM by Space Cowboy

[SmittenCake]

6 minutes ago, Space Cowboy said:

2. i don't support the hijab because I view it as a tool for controlling women and I believe many women are forced and brainwashed to wear it rather than choosing that for themselves. My opposition to the hijab is rooted fully in feminist principles.

 

You have zero Muslims friends or family members. Go explain that to the millions of left leaning feminists Muslims. 

 

8 minutes ago, Space Cowboy said:

 

3. I am literally half Cuban, my mother is Cuban, and so is half of my family. I've heard first-hand stories of how the Cuban government has destroyed lives, and has forced people to flee.  So I believe I have the right to speak on this matter.

Marco Rubio is also Cuban. You both probably have a lot in common politically since every take I've seen of yours is so comically BAD 

[Space Cowboy]

1 minute ago, SmittenCake said:

You have zero Muslims friends or family members. Go explain that to the millions of left leaning feminists Muslims. 

 

Marco Rubio is also Cuban. You both probably have a lot in common politically since every take I've seen of yours is so comically BAD 

Marco Rubio?? I literally speak from my family's real experiences and the pain they've lived through, not some agenda.
 

If you think calling out authoritarianism makes my opinions "comically bad", maybe the real problem is your inability to handle reality. 
 

Why can't you realize that the Cuban government is no good? They have killed, they oppress, they starve their own people. They strip away basic freedoms, and has forced countless families to flee to survive. 

 

[SmittenCake]

6 minutes ago, Space Cowboy said:

Marco Rubio?? I literally speak from my family's real experiences and the pain they've lived through, not some agenda.
 

If you think calling out authoritarianism makes my opinions "comically bad", maybe the real problem is your inability to handle reality. 
 

Why can't you realize that the Cuban government is no good? They have killed, they oppress, they starve their own people. They strip away basic freedoms, and has forced countless families to flee to survive. 

 

The starving and shortages is thanks to embargoes and sanctions 

 

The CIA already confessed to purposely wanting the people of Cuba to overthrow their government (which also explaians the sanctions) which leads to these strict crackdowns by the government NOBODY approves of. 

Edited yesterday at 01:44 AM by SmittenCake

[Communion]

8 minutes ago, Space Cowboy said:

Marco Rubio?? I literally speak from my family's real experiences and the pain they've lived through, not some agenda.
 

If you think calling out authoritarianism makes my opinions "comically bad", maybe the real problem is your inability to handle reality. 
 

Why can't you realize that the Cuban government is no good? They have killed, they oppress, they starve their own people. They strip away basic freedoms, and has forced countless families to flee to survive. 

 

I need y'all to understand that this kind of posturing doesn't exist in a post-10/07 world. 

 

Israel has facilitated an actual genocide (in the material definition of the word) in front of the world and with the help of "good" governments. You're ironically embodying the definition of "campist" by being unable to judge individual actions of governments for their own merit and instead focus on cheering or hating whoever is in your "camp".

 

Complaining about Cuba being "bad" while the island barely survives with a failing electrical grid because of the embargo is materially no different in practice than people complaining about Hamas "being no good" while Israel obliterates entire sections of Palestinian life out of existence.

 

For all the rightful flack reductionist, reactionary forms of "identity politics" is now getting, the elephant in the room is that the essentialist, magical-type of thinking of "but my great-great grandpa hated [x country] which gives me magical authority to also hate it!!" has never made sense in place of historical materialism.

 

Heritage is not a mystical force. People do not have the ability to supernaturally pass down expertise through some kind of genetic celestial plains. No one can experience any kind of life that they themselves have not actually personally nor physically have lived. Standpoint theory has bastardized "lived experiences" as epistemology.

 

Maybe Cuba has an authoritarian government. Maybe it doesn't. There's objectively no actual way to currently discern if it does when the vast majority of the financial strife occurring to its economy is factually, scientifically a result of a fascist embargo that has disrupted all claimed norms of the liberal world order.

[Gov Hooka]

42 minutes ago, Space Cowboy said:

Marco Rubio?? I literally speak from my family's real experiences and the pain they've lived through, not some agenda.
 

If you think calling out authoritarianism makes my opinions "comically bad", maybe the real problem is your inability to handle reality. 
 

Why can't you realize that the Cuban government is no good? They have killed, they oppress, they starve their own people. They strip away basic freedoms, and has forced countless families to flee to survive. 

 

If you live in the US, you literally have zero room to call out any country's "authoritarianism" especially one that the US has actively been trying to snuff out for decades. Now begone Gusano 

[Space Cowboy]

9 minutes ago, Gov Hooka said:

If you live in the US, you literally have zero room to call out any country's "authoritarianism" especially one that the US has actively been trying to snuff out for decades. Now begone Gusano 

Not 'murican thankfully  Am european

 

12 minutes ago, Communion said:

I need y'all to understand that this kind of posturing doesn't exist in a post-10/07 world. 

 

Israel has facilitated an actual genocide (in the material definition of the word) in front of the world and with the help of "good" governments. You're ironically embodying the definition of "campist" by being unable to judge individual actions of governments for their own merit and instead focus on cheering or hating whoever is in your "camp".

 

Complaining about Cuba being "bad" while the island barely survives with a failing electrical grid because of the embargo is materially no different in practice than people complaining about Hamas "being no good" while Israel obliterates entire sections of Palestinian life out of existence.

 

For all the rightful flack reductionist, reactionary forms of "identity politics" is now getting, the elephant in the room is that the essentialist, magical-type of thinking of "but my great-great grandpa hated [x country] which gives me magical authority to also hate it!!" has never made sense in place of historical materialism.

 

Heritage is not a mystical force. People do not have the ability to supernaturally pass down expertise through some kind of genetic celestial plains. No one can experience any kind of life that they themselves have not actually personally nor physically have lived. Standpoint theory has bastardized "lived experiences" as epistemology.

 

Maybe Cuba has an authoritarian government. Maybe it doesn't. There's objectively no actual way to currently discern if it does when the vast majority of the financial strife occurring to its economy is factually, scientifically a result of a fascist embargo that has disrupted all claimed norms of the liberal world order.

Your response is nothing but excuses and nonsense. I'm not "posturing", I'm calling out the real suffering caused by the Cuban government.

The embargo isn't the reason people are starving, it's the corrupt leaders who care more about power than their own people.

Comparing my criticism of a brutal regime to excusing genocide is ridiculous and insulting.

[Gov Hooka]

3 minutes ago, Space Cowboy said:

Not 'murican thankfully  Am european

 

Your response is nothing but excuses and nonsense. I'm not "posturing", I'm calling out the real suffering caused by the Cuban government.

The embargo isn't the reason people are starving, it's the corrupt leaders who care more about power than their own people.

Comparing my criticism of a brutal regime to excusing genocide is ridiculous and insulting.

Lmao so You live in a Western EUR vassal state of the US who is equally authoritarian and responsible for the decay of the global south and Zionist genocide. Still applies, begone Gusano.

 

Cuba's alleged "brutal regime" is responsible for not even a fraction as bad as your European nation and its puppet master, the US, when taking into account the Gaza Holocaust. As that post clearly states, You lose your moral high ground especially when you were mocking anti-genocide leftists on this site who refused to support Harris. 

Edited yesterday at 02:39 AM by Gov Hooka

[Space Cowboy]

1 minute ago, Gov Hooka said:

Lmao so You live in a Western EUR vassal state of the US who is equally authoritarian and responsible for the decay of the global south and Zionist genocide. Still applies, begone Gusano.

 

Cuba's alleged "brutal regime" is responsible for not even a fraction as bad as your European nation and its puppet master, the US, when taking into account the Gaza Holocaust.

I'm calling out hypocrites like you who defend brutal regimes and change the subject anytime someone speaks the truth about Cuba. Calling me a "Gusano" just proves you have no real argument. The Cuban government has hurt, jailed, and killed its own people, forcing millions to flee, including my family.
 

Blaming the US or Europe doesn't change what Cuba has done. If you actually cared about justice, you'd call out all governments that harm people.

 

And for the record, I support Palestine completely and I'm fully against Israel period 

 

 

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As that post clearly states, You lose your moral high ground especially when you were mocking anti-genocide leftists on this site who refused to support Harris. 

What are you even talking about? Between the two choices, Democrat or Republican, it's clear that the option less harmful for Palestinians was Kamala. 

[SmittenCake]

2 minutes ago, Space Cowboy said:

 

 

What are you even talking about? Between the two choices, Democrat or Republican, it's clear that the option less harmful for Palestinians was Kamala. 

This rhetoric is ******* GHOULISH and I'm embarrassed to have ever subscribed to it. I see dead babies all the time on my feed. Neither trump or Kamala were better for Palestinians. It was all a lie. 

[Gov Hooka]

1 hour ago, Space Cowboy said:

I'm calling out hypocrites like you who defend brutal regimes and change the subject anytime someone speaks the truth about Cuba. Calling me a "Gusano" just proves you have no real argument. The Cuban government has hurt, jailed, and killed its own people, forcing millions to flee, including my family.
 

Blaming the US or Europe doesn't change what Cuba has done. If you actually cared about justice, you'd call out all governments that harm people.

 

And for the record, I support Palestine completely and I'm fully against Israel period 

 

 

What are you even talking about? Between the two choices, Democrat or Republican, it's clear that the option less harmful for Palestinians was Kamala. 

You were advocating for Harris/the US gov which is defending/arming a brutal politician and regime responsible for the Gaza Holocaust, a crime against humanity far worse than anything you can conjure up about Cuba. You're willing to overlook her support of Zionist genocide and then stupidly put yourself on some high horse here when folks point out that contradiction.

The US/EU are far worse and brutally authoritarian than Cuba ever was, is, or will be because of their support of Zionism period. 
 

[Space Cowboy]

20 minutes ago, Gov Hooka said:

You were advocating for Harris/the US gov which is defending/arming a brutal politician and regime responsible for the Gaza Holocaust, a crime against humanity far worse than anything you can conjure up about Cuba. You're willing to overlook her support of Zionist genocide and then stupidly put yourself on some high horse here when folks point out that contradiction.

The US/EU are far worse and brutally authoritarian than Cuba ever was, is, or will be because of their support of Zionism period. 
 

Two things can be true at the same time:

 

1. The US and EU are backing Israel's genocide in Gaza. They support a brutal, murderous regime that's wiping out innocent people, and they do it with zero shame. It's disgusting, it's wrong, and it's a crime against humanity and I'm definetely not overlooking it. And I was advocating for dems simply as the lesser of two evils.

 

2. Cuba is an authoritarian state that locks people up for speaking out, controls every aspect of life, and crushes opposition. The Cuban government has blood on its hands and uses the US embargo as an excuse to avoid taking responsibility for its failures.

If you're going to stand against oppression, stand against all of it. Don't cherrypick which regimes to excuse just because they're anti-American or aligned with your views.

 

Wrong is wrong, no matter who's doing it. Period.

[princedonte]

This site is full of tankies. 

[Communion]

2 hours ago, Space Cowboy said:

The embargo isn't the reason people are starving,

Objectively, this is just false. You can't even begin to assess whether a centrally planned economy is working or failing *if denying Cuba the right to even have an economy to start*.

 

Like that's the basic economic science to what's happening without any value judgement. Have whatever opinion you want on how Cuba operates, but America trying to effectively remove Cuba from the global economy - which is what an embargo is - is effectively going to have the most measurable impact than anything else.

Edited yesterday at 05:08 AM by Communion

[Gov Hooka]

34 minutes ago, Space Cowboy said:

Two things can be true at the same time:

 

1. The US and EU are backing Israel's genocide in Gaza. They support a brutal, murderous regime that's wiping out innocent people, and they do it with zero shame. It's disgusting, it's wrong, and it's a crime against humanity and I'm definetely not overlooking it. And I was advocating for dems simply as the lesser of two evils.

 

2. Cuba is an authoritarian state that locks people up for speaking out, controls every aspect of life, and crushes opposition. The Cuban government has blood on its hands and uses the US embargo as an excuse to avoid taking responsibility for its failures.

If you're going to stand against oppression, stand against all of it. Don't cherrypick which regimes to excuse just because they're anti-American or aligned with your views.

 

Wrong is wrong, no matter who's doing it. Period.

"Wrong is wrong" you say as you blatantly support the "lesser evil." Clearly wrong isn't wrong when it comes to authoritarianism disguised as "western liberal democracy." Lololol the contradiction arises YET again.
 

I'll play your illogical game too. I'm advocating for post-Revolution Cuba because it's the lesser of two evils (Cuba has the highest hdi of any Caribbean nation and one of the highest life expectancies in the developing world). Batista regime Cuba was a feudal defacto slave state pillaging the Cuban labor force, emslaving Afro-Cubans, and killing people for speaking up against it. I'm advocating for Cuba over the US authoritarian regime, that has murdered, couped, bombed, genocided millions and millions more than Cuba could ever hope to. That same country that is the ONLY country (besides Nazi Israel) that voted in the UN general assembly to continue the embargo against Cuba. 

[Space Cowboy]

21 minutes ago, Communion said:

Objectively, this is just false. You can't even begin to assess whether a centrally planned economy is working or failing *if denying Cuba the right to even have an economy to start*.

 

Like that's the basic economic science to what's happening without any value judgement. Have whatever opinion you want on how Cuba operates, but America trying to effectively remove Cuba from the global economy - which is what an embargo is - is effectively going to have the most measurable impact than anything else.

Yes, the embargo is bad, no one's arguing otherwise, but it doesn't excuse Cuba's authoritarian regime from locking up dissidents, silencing its people, and running a opressive state.
 

The Cuban government doesn't just "fail" because of the embargo, it fails because it actively chooses to oppress its citizens and deny them basic freedoms.

 

Cuba's issues aren't just about economics, they're about a regime that prioritizes control over its people above all else. Blaming the US embargo for every single problem in Cuba is lazy, disingenuous, and just plain wrong.

 

I am f*cking cuban. I know what I'm talking about 

 

30 minutes ago, Gov Hooka said:

"Wrong is wrong" you say as you blatantly support the "lesser evil." Clearly wrong isn't wrong when it comes to authoritarianism disguised as "western liberal democracy." Lololol the contradiction arises YET again.
 

I'll play your illogical game too. I'm advocating for post-Revolution Cuba because it's the lesser of two evils (Cuba has the highest hdi of any Caribbean nation and one of the highest life expectancies in the developing world). Batista regime Cuba was a feudal defacto slave state pillaging the Cuban labor force, emslaving Afro-Cubans, and killing people for speaking up against it. I'm advocating for Cuba over the US authoritarian regime, that has murdered, couped, bombed, genocided millions and millions more than Cuba could ever hope to. That same country that is the ONLY country (besides Nazi Israel) that voted in the UN general assembly to continue the embargo against Cuba. 

So you're talking about HDI and life expectancy like it cancels out the fact that millions of Cubans are fleeing the country just to survive? Give me a f*cking break.

 

In the last four years alone, over a million people have left Cuba because life there is unbearable. That's not a sign of success, that's a failure. What good is a high HDI on paper if people are starving, desperate, and risking their lives to escape?

 

My parents had to bring food to my grandmother just two years ago in Cuba because she was starving. That's the reality. A government that can't feed its own people but has no problem crushing dissent or jailing anyone who speaks out isn't one worth defending, no matter how bad the US is.

 

Cuba is a regime that forces its people into poverty and fear while blaming everyone but itself. The embargo is not the only reason for Cuba's misery >> Cuba's government chooses to prioritize its own power over the well-being of its citizens

[Sawk]

He's crazy y cubano como yo 

[Communion]

1 hour ago, Space Cowboy said:

Yes, the embargo is bad, no one's arguing otherwise,

You seem confused what you're even engaging with. You quite literally argued the embargo is not a source of economic strife in the nation and I simply pointed out your opinion is confusing because of the fact that the economic data - not my opinion - shows otherwise. None of anything else you've alleged directly impacts economic conditions.

 

There are plenty of countries where the economy thrives yet political dissidents are locked up, speech is censored, police are oppressive, etc.

 

I'm not sure if you're American since you're being indirect over it, but your argument above of supporting Biden/Harris suggests so given you'd have to be to 'support' an American politician in anything. Which makes this exchange ironic. America has a thriving economy yet commits many of the authoritarian actions you are concerned with Cuba doing. So clearly you're aware you could make your argument without denying economic facts.

 

You yourself even lament and frame it as unfair that the overt, objectively large impact of the embargo on the economy 'takes up' so much air in the room and discourse over Cuba. You've already conceded that the embargo is a massive issue that directly impacts the economy to your own frustration as someone who thinks the issue goes beyond the economy.

 

Edited yesterday at 07:45 AM by Communion

[Princess Aurora]

Congrats to Honduras

[Renzo_]

I think supporting communist regimes from a capitalist country is the trend among the woke generation these days. Slay, I guess.