base talk Taylor is the only MPG that could release a modern Ray of Light & you will deal

[PartyFavor]

You just want to argue. No one said artists state that Blackout is better than ROL. That's irrelevant to anything being discussed lol

[Yes, AND]

143 comes pretty close. The aesthetics have a very similar vibe. 

[Yes, AND]

1 hour ago, Eternium said:

Can Little Monsters go one day without being jealous of Madonna and Britney Spears? Imagine trying to argue that nobody at the time cared about Ray of Light when it became a standard for the industry and influenced just about every artist after. And to claim that Blackout was "just an album" when your fave, a Britney stan at the time, was heavily inspired by the sound. Y'all have this weird desire to rewrite history and it will NEVER work. Give it up.

They are so bitter it is actually tragic. Just screams insecurity. 

[JonginBey]

On 1/3/2025 at 3:20 AM, Le Grande said:

When she reaches her 60s I guess she'll mentally reach her 30s so maybe then. 

[Timeless]

Ray Of Light isn't even all that. There's only like 3 good songs maximum. That album is too damn overhyped on this site by 35 year old gays. 

I'm prepared for all the thumbs down reactions to come rolling in but IDGAF I'm standing on this hill .  

[cuteboyzay]

The fact that you said "we expected Beyonce to do it but didn't". Girl Beyoncé is the ONLY main pop-girl that has reached the creative re-invention AND acclaim that Madonna has. Renaissance is a close second to that album. But regardless, nobody wanted Beyonce to have her own ROL moment given Beyoncé is having the same yet an entirely different career trajectory Madonna had.

 

Furthermore, the fact that you have to write this whole thesis just to prove something about the quality of Taylor's music and yet… it still NEVER sticks is already an example as to why she will never have a ROL moment. 
 

Like many have said, unless she completely relinquishes her control over wanting commercial success, she's neverrrr gonna reach the artistic heights Madonna has. And will not have her own ROL moment. 

[cuteboyzay]

3 hours ago, Damien M said:

Madonna is spiritually curious, intellectually miles ahead of most and willing to be vulnerable and lay it all on the table for art. 
 

Taylor just isn't that kind of artist. She makes catchy songs with nice melodies for the masses— and is damn good at that. But she's not giving you a Mer Girl or Shanti/Ashtangi.

 

Maybe Billie Eillish when she's older or Beyoncé once she gets introspective and lets go of the wine mom/girl $$ boss persona.

You did not just say that about Bey while Lemonade and Cowboy Carter exists. 
 

Girl I was with you until that. Otherwise you're right about the Taylor statement lmao. The girl is just comfortable.

[stevyy]

Honestly, she lacks the talent. 

 

Also Ray of Light is not centered around Madonna's ex boyfriends, with 1 billion easter eggs hidden in gibberish metaphores that only sycophants can decipher.

 

She also lacks the vocal ability. I know people will cut my throat for saying this: But Madonna is the far superior vocalist between the two. 

 

Last, but not least, an album like Ray of Light cannot be remade. 

 

In a room of 100 female artists, only one can be Madonna and the others can be Taylors. 

 

 

[dumbsparce]

I agree but that would mean she'd have to take a risk a la Folkore era and be ok with opening with 1 million instead of 2   I know she has the talent and vision but I'm not sure where her priorities lie right now.

[IBeMe]

2 hours ago, cuteboyzay said:

Girl Beyoncé is the ONLY main pop-girl that has reached the creative re-invention AND acclaim that Madonna has. Renaissance is a close second to that album.

I would agree BUT i would not say it was rennesme that was the closest to Ray of Light. I actually think Beyonce's most introspective album is Lemonade and it kinda has some kind of spiritual vibe to it to an extent tbh

[supaspaz]

Whew, the reactions on the OP!

[HardBambi]

9 hours ago, SharGaga said:

Nobody can recreate ROL. But Folklore is the closest she ever has been to creating something like that. Both exceptional and once in a lifetime albums for both artists imo. 

Folklore was just Ray, without the light

[Soda Pop Queen]

 

[Mariano]

12 hours ago, Eternium said:

Can Little Monsters go one day without being jealous of Madonna and Britney Spears? Imagine trying to argue that nobody at the time cared about Ray of Light when it became a standard for the industry and influenced just about every artist after. And to claim that Blackout was "just an album" when your fave, a Britney stan at the time, was heavily inspired by the sound. Y'all have this weird desire to rewrite history and it will NEVER work. Give it up.

You have to be the most unserious person on this website   Why would liddos be jelly of Madonna/Britney, it's the other way around seeing as Gaga is the one who is still relevant today   

 

11 hours ago, Yes, AND said:

They are so bitter it is actually tragic. Just screams insecurity. 

awh tell us more about how liddos are bitter sis, maybe in the next Lady Gaga thread that you enter since u love to be in those, how about that?  

OT: Nobody needs to put out their "ROL"  lmfao, it has some fantastic songs, but for some reason no one cares to listen to them and that's that on that, like let it rest  Also there's many other great albums from the 90s, 80s etc. like should current pop girlies try to have ALL of those too or selectively just their own ROL?? The point I'm making in case u missed it - is that ROL is not some kinda benchmark. Y'all desperately try to force it as some sorta benchmark, but it just isn't popular enough to be a benchmark. That person tried to explain it to y'all in previous pages. You can think it's the best album ever if u do find it as such, but it will never be a benchmark for other artists like be serious   

 

Edited Sunday at 10:25 AM by Mariano

[Mr. Stratus]

4 minutes ago, Mariano said:

You have to be the most unserious person on this website   Why would liddos be jelly of Madonna/Britney, it's the other way around seeing as Gaga is the one who is still relevant today   

Whilst I appreciate eterniums takes, I just spilled the tea. No one but gays are mentioning these albums in reference to their upcoming releases.

 

Anyway I think Taylor or Billie have weak vocals like madonna so they'd need to hide behind production - that's essentially a 'Ray of Light' era. Poor @Yes, AND

[Eternium]

20 hours ago, Yes, AND said:

They are so bitter it is actually tragic. Just screams insecurity. 

Like they have this need to interject themselves into every thread and constantly try to drag the same women. Give it up, girls.

9 hours ago, Mariano said:

You have to be the most unserious person on this website   Why would liddos be jelly of Madonna/Britney, it's the other way around seeing as Gaga is the one who is still relevant today   

 

awh tell us more about how liddos are bitter sis, maybe in the next Lady Gaga thread that you enter since u love to be in those, how about that?  

OT: Nobody needs to put out their "ROL"  lmfao, it has some fantastic songs, but for some reason no one cares to listen to them and that's that on that, like let it rest  Also there's many other great albums from the 90s, 80s etc. like should current pop girlies try to have ALL of those too or selectively just their own ROL?? The point I'm making in case u missed it - is that ROL is not some kinda benchmark. Y'all desperately try to force it as some sorta benchmark, but it just isn't popular enough to be a benchmark. That person tried to explain it to y'all in previous pages. You can think it's the best album ever if u do find it as such, but it will never be a benchmark for other artists like be serious   

 

Before we even start, Gaga was in the biggest film bomb of the year, her lead single flopped and got replaced with a collab and her last studio album fell off the BB200 after one week at #20. Humble yourself before you come after Britney, let alone the most successful female artist of all-time  

 

Ray of Light is the standard for pop girl reinvention and Madonna's name is used interchangeably with Reinvention. It's a 20M+ unit album, so I'd love to see you argue how it isn't popular enough for that status. You were just claiming that Gaga was incredibly relevant today and yet Ray of Light has moved more units than Cheek To Cheek, Joanne, A Star Is Born, Chromatica, Anything But Love, Harlequin and her next album combined.  Y'all have got to stop living in LM Land and join us in the real world.

9 hours ago, Mr. Stratus said:

Whilst I appreciate eterniums takes, I just spilled the tea. No one but gays are mentioning these albums in reference to their upcoming releases.

 

Anyway I think Taylor or Billie have weak vocals like madonna so they'd need to hide behind production - that's essentially a 'Ray of Light' era. Poor @Yes, AND

Ray of Light has moved over 20M units (16M pure sales). You mean to tell me that if any current pop girl did that a decade-plus into their career with a critically acclaimed and trend-setting sound, while also debuting the strongest vocal performance of their career, we wouldn't be talking about it for years?

 

Ray of Light inspired the Silent Hill videogame series, which itself created the "Upside Down" in Stranger Things. It made William Orbit a commercial producer and everyone from Britney to Queen to Chris Brown to U2 to Michael Jackson (posthumously) used him for production. It is the golden standard for critical acclaim eras for a pop girl and the reason Madonna is known for reinvention. It was the first album to really experience poptimism and brought critical acclaim to pop music. 

[Mariano]

Just now, Eternium said:

Like they have this need to interject themselves into every thread and constantly try to drag the same women. Give it up, girls.

Before we even start, Gaga was in the biggest film bomb of the year, her lead single flopped and got replaced with a collab and her last studio album fell off the BB200 after one week at #20. Humble yourself before you come after Britney, let alone the most successful female artist of all-time  

 

Ray of Light is the standard for pop girl reinvention and Madonna's name is used interchangeably with Reinvention. It's a 20M+ unit album, so I'd love to see you argue how it isn't popular enough for that status. You were just claiming that Gaga was incredibly relevant today and yet Ray of Light has moved more units than Cheek To Cheek, Joanne, A Star Is Born, Chromatica, Anything But Love, Harlequin and her next album combined.  Y'all have got to stop living in LM Land and join us in the real world.

Ray of Light has moved over 20M units (16M pure sales). You mean to tell me that if any current pop girl did that a decade-plus into their career with a critically acclaimed and trend-setting sound, while also debuting the strongest vocal performance of their career, we wouldn't be talking about it for years?

Right! I forgot Ray Of Light came out last year   You're so unserious... 

 

Gaga is more relevant than Madonna and Britney in 2025. That's literally a fact sis, imagine denying it  

[Bubble Tea]

On 1/3/2025 at 11:15 PM, Kayseri Mantisi said:

saying this for an artist who is most afraid of innovation in the industry is beyond laughable lmfao. it's so ridiculous that i thought this was a Taylor setup thread by an OTH at first. 

 

to say this, you need to find someone who's their main goal is reinventing themselves with EVERY album they make, making sure to never try the same sound ever again. such as Lorde. 

Literally this. In order to make a Ray of Light album you must first be an artist who has taken real risks, who has challenged themselves artistically and challenged their fans with what they like. Most artists have indeed done this but Taylor never has. There was nothing "risky" about Taylor going pop when her sound was organically shifting to pop (plus it's a more successful and better selling genre) and for sure folk/more was a new sound and vibe, and I commend her cause I love those albums, but to say they were a "risk" is a bit of a stretch.

 

They were fantastic projects aside from her usual pop album + promo + tour regime, but it's not like they were major projects. IDK I'm not trying to slander Taylor cause I like a lot of what she does, but it's not risky. To release a "Ray of Light" is to have had a turbulent artistically polarizing career that ultimately ends in a triumphant comeback owed solely to your skills as a musician. Taylor has indeed had an enormously triumphant return to become one of the biggest pop stars of our time, so perhaps she doesn't even need a Ray of Light. Maybe she's taught us it's better to play it safe and to stay consistent than to veer wildly as an artist? I guess which type of artist you prefer is entirely up to you.

[poki]

1 hour ago, Eternium said:

Like they have this need to interject themselves into every thread and constantly try to drag the same women. Give it up, girls.

Before we even start, Gaga was in the biggest film bomb of the year, her lead single flopped and got replaced with a collab and her last studio album fell off the BB200 after one week at #20. Humble yourself before you come after Britney, let alone the most successful female artist of all-time  

 

Ray of Light is the standard for pop girl reinvention and Madonna's name is used interchangeably with Reinvention. It's a 20M+ unit album, so I'd love to see you argue how it isn't popular enough for that status. You were just claiming that Gaga was incredibly relevant today and yet Ray of Light has moved more units than Cheek To Cheek, Joanne, A Star Is Born, Chromatica, Anything But Love, Harlequin and her next album combined.  Y'all have got to stop living in LM Land and join us in the real world.

Ray of Light has moved over 20M units (16M pure sales). You mean to tell me that if any current pop girl did that a decade-plus into their career with a critically acclaimed and trend-setting sound, while also debuting the strongest vocal performance of their career, we wouldn't be talking about it for years?

 

Ray of Light inspired the Silent Hill videogame series, which itself created the "Upside Down" in Stranger Things. It made William Orbit a commercial producer and everyone from Britney to Queen to Chris Brown to U2 to Michael Jackson (posthumously) used him for production. It is the golden standard for critical acclaim eras for a pop girl and the reason Madonna is known for reinvention. It was the first album to really experience poptimism and brought critical acclaim to pop music. 

It's also heavily assumed Ray of Light inspired the music for Spyro the Dragon '98 

 

And there's a fictional track in GTA Liberty City Stories that could be based on RoL as well. 

[Rv1709]

Idk what's sadder - the whole idea of this or that OP has given it so much thought 

[Kimi]

but they way some of the fossils in here talk about Taylor makes you think she's Torri Kelly. 1989 Red and Folklore are as acclaimed as Madonnas most acclaimed work, if not more.Threads like this one remind us all that some of the people in here really live in the past. 

[BnPac]

Wow, this thread is brutal but also a proof that nostalgia is very much blinding as I say this as a admirer of Madonna's work. 

 

That being said, yes Taylor will probably not make ROL, she does not have the same experiences and same life as Madonna and frankly she's also on the safe side and that's OK. It doesn't mean we have to completely discredit her talent and output before Lover + Folklore. 

 

[Raphy23]

Hit Me Hard and Soft.