discussion What's your secret right-wing opinion that would shock your fellow progressives ?

[Trent W]

41 minutes ago, Antisocialites said:

not necessarily right-wing but one thing I hate from the modern leftist American feminism movement is the celebration of prostitution and sex work.

 

1. sex work shouldn't be celebrated in any way. not even "safe" sex work (spoiler: that doesn't actually exist)

2. labeling yourself as feminist while also being pro-prostitution is disgusting and makes you an awful leftist. you are fighting for the wrong feminism, the one that forgets about class and race.

3. every man who engages in sex work as a client is a r*pist.

4. conveniently using "My body, my choice" as an argument to defend prostitution is revolting.

I actually agree

 

Feminism was originally intended to give women equal rights on voting, job market, and human rights/freedom

 

I never understood why feminism got mixed with prostitution that is basically exploitation of your own body

 

Prostitution and promiscuity are basically mental/physical illnesses, there is not a reality where it's good for anyone. Having sex with too many people is not good for any human body/mental state.

Edited Thursday at 11:14 PM by Trent W

[family.guy123]

Gladue reports should have no impact on sentencing 

[Cheers]

45 minutes ago, Antisocialites said:

not necessarily right-wing but one thing I hate from the modern leftist American feminism movement is the celebration of prostitution and sex work.

 

1. sex work shouldn't be celebrated in any way. not even "safe" sex work (spoiler: that doesn't actually exist)

2. labeling yourself as feminist while also being pro-prostitution is disgusting and makes you an awful leftist. you are fighting for the wrong feminism, the one that forgets about class and race.

3. every man who engages in sex work as a client is a r*pist.

4. conveniently using "My body, my choice" as an argument to defend prostitution is revolting.

Oh wow

 

I agree that sex work has been desensitized and way too normalized tbh but the rest of the points are a bit much. 

[ontherocks]

16 minutes ago, Trent W said:

 

Prostitution and promiscuity are basically mental/physical illnesses, there is not a reality where it's good for anyone. Having sex with too many people is not good for any human body/mental state.

Prostitution aside, but the claim about promiscuity is just wild. 

 

I mean if you are ugly, chances of being promiscious are rather low, cause not a lot of ppl would want to have sex with you in the first place. And since it is hard to get ppl you are physically attracted to, to sleep with you, you will not turn to the ones you don't desire very often, cause what's the point anyway, like ew? 

 

Thankfully, attractive ppl like me don't have that issue and we can sleep with anybody who is smoking hot. Our only effort is to hit the gym and dress accordingly. That is not a mental illness, that's enjoying life. 

 

 

OT: I'd actually engage with both of the Logan brothers in some sexual activity and wouldn't give a damn that they are Trumpies. 

Edited Thursday at 11:32 PM by ontherocks

[superglowy]

Most Israeli and Palestinian residents would be happy and at peace with every ATRL Gay being literally thrown or stoned to Death.

[DevilsRollTheDice]

I'm not sure this qualifies, but I think a lot of American "communists" don't actually have a grasp of what that system looks like, even when implemented *perfectly.*
 

Many suburban, educated, upper class "communists" seem to think that there's a secret utopia the more elite elites are keeping from us where they can be the commune lesbian dance theory instructor and live in a luxury apartment. In reality, a communist system free of any global resource/labor exploitation would be a MASSIVE lifestyle cut for the vast majority of Westerners, even the middle class. 
 

Not saying that's a bad thing, I just think there's a grotesque misalignment with what people claim to be advocating for and the reality of what they are advocating for. We'd need millions of people to support manual labor, construction, manufacturing, and food production and many people would be living much less convenient and luxurious lives. 

Edited Thursday at 11:41 PM by DevilsRollTheDice

[Danny789]

That would be harsher punishment for parole violators, Stan

 

[Sheep]

38 minutes ago, Trent W said:

I actually agree

 

Feminism was originally intended to give women equal rights on voting, job market, and human rights/freedom

 

I never understood why feminism got mixed with prostitution that is basically exploitation of your own body

 

Prostitution and promiscuity are basically mental/physical illnesses, there is not a reality where it's good for anyone. Having sex with too many people is not good for any human body/mental state.

All paid labor is exploiting your body and doing things you wouldn't do otherwise. That's capitalism 

Edited Thursday at 11:52 PM by Sheep

[Trent W]

28 minutes ago, ontherocks said:

Prostitution aside, but the claim about promiscuity is just wild. 

 

I mean if you are ugly, chances of being promiscious are rather low, cause not a lot of ppl would want to have sex with you in the first place. And since it is hard to get ppl you are physically attracted to, to sleep with you, you will not turn to the ones you don't desire very often, cause what's the point anyway, like ew? 

 

Thankfully, attractive ppl like me don't have that issue and we can sleep with anybody who is smoking hot. Our only effort is to hit the gym and dress accordingly. That is not a mental illness, that's enjoying life. 

 

 

 

Ngl this is one of the most air head posts i've ever read on this forum  

 

You are just stupid af

 

Especially since a gay man or a girl can get sex with anything with a dick on an app

 

Promiscuity and being hot has nothing to do one with the other

If you are having sex with too many people either you are exploiting yourself in a prostitution practice or you are mentally unstable and have an unrational need for it and you need threapy

 

Having a lot of sex with a partner is normal

 

Having several sex partners through your life is also normal

 

But promiscuity is completely excessive, its unhealthy and it's wrong for your body.

Edited Thursday at 11:56 PM by Trent W

[Namie-Knowles]

"Both sides violent" sends and clearly is bullshit. 

[Trent W]

1 minute ago, Sheep said:

All paid labor is exploiting your body and doing things you wouldn't do otherwise. That's capitalism 

Exploited sexual intercourse and working a 9-5 is not the same thing

 

 

 

[Sheep]

4 minutes ago, Trent W said:

Exploited sexual intercourse and working a 9-5 is not the same thing

 

 

 

Not every 9-5. But there are  absolutely mentally and physically extreme jobs(sewage, construction, working with death, etc). 

[ontherocks]

6 minutes ago, Trent W said:

Ngl this is one of the most air head posts i've ever read on this forum  

 

You are just stupid af

 

Especially since a gay man or a girl can get sex with anything with a dick on an app

 

Promiscuity and being hot has nothing to do one with the other

If you are having sex with too many people either you are exploiting yourself in a prostitution practice or you are mentally unstable and have an unrational need for it and you need threapy

 

Having a lot of sex with a partner is normal

 

Having several sex partners through your life is also normal

 

But promiscuity is completely excessive, its unhealthy and it's wrong for your body.

This sounds very unattractive to me. Also very catholic. Thankfully, I know I am right.  

 

Edited Friday at 12:00 AM by ontherocks

[Thickorita]

More nuclear power plants, less solar/wind

 

[Sheep]

24 minutes ago, DevilsRollTheDice said:

a communist system free of any global resource/labor exploitation would be a MASSIVE lifestyle cut for the vast majority of Westerners, even the middle class. 

This just isn't true. Globally, we have the resources to house and feed the entire world several times over. They keep us in the rat race by instituting false scarcity. There are(multiplicatively, actually) more computers in active use than people, a lot of today's entertainment is infinitely copyable 1s and 0s, etc.

 

I don't think a true utopia is achievable by any means but there definitely could be a world where everybody has a roof over their head, food to eat, education to improve their social mobility, and internet connectivity. imo the only way to not have these things should be if you refuse them due to mental illness or something.

Edited Friday at 12:03 AM by Sheep

[Trent W]

3 minutes ago, ontherocks said:

This sounds very unattractive to me. Also very catholic. Thankfully, I know I am right.  

 

To answer to this post and to the thread directly 

 

There is nothing more unattractive than a person that have been ran through by everyone 

[DevilsRollTheDice]

9 minutes ago, Sheep said:

This just isn't true. Globally, we have the resources to house and feed the entire world several times over. They keep us in the rat race by instituting false scarcity. There are(multiplicatively, actually) more computers in active use than people, a lot of today's entertainment is infinitely copyable 1s and 0s, etc.

 

I don't think a true utopia is achievable by any means but there definitely could be a world where everybody has a roof over their head, food to eat, education to improve their social mobility, and internet connectivity.

But so much of that global excess is created by systems and models that are extremely exploitative. A lot of it doesn't have literal value, either. Intangible things like stock. To even conceive of what a non-exploitive version of what the world would look like would mean rebuilding from the ground up entirely, likely utilizing a system where people are a lot closer to the physical labor of production for food, clothes, goods, etc than they currently are in the developed world. 
 

I think a lot of the communism discourse misses the fact that many Westerners lives are still better under their current government systems than they would be in a world where the US and Europe don't exploit the global south. That doesn't mean we shouldn't stop the exploitation, I think people just want to sell a vision that isn't reality. As you say, a world where everyone is fed and housed is certainly possible but it will also come at the expense of those living in the lap of Luxury. And that isn't just millionaires. 
 

A lot of the movement seems to come from the affluent American suburbs/institutions of higher education and they don't really grapple with that hypocrisy. 

Edited Friday at 12:13 AM by DevilsRollTheDice

[ontherocks]

1 minute ago, Trent W said:

To answer to this post and to the thread directly 

 

There is nothing more unattractive than a person that have been ran through by everyone 

There is actually nothing more unattractive than a person with a high morals compass telling other ppl that their happiness is a mental illness and proclaiming standards of what is "still acceptable" and what is "been ran through by everyone." You sound like you have been overlooked or rejected a lot. Don't blame others for having fun. Make yourself happy, regardless how that may be. 

[Sheep]

17 minutes ago, DevilsRollTheDice said:

But so much of that global excess is created by systems and models that are extremely exploitative. To even conceive of what a non-exploitive version of what the world would look like would mean rebuilding from the ground up entirely

Oh 100%. But there are individual people on earth who could just commit sudoku and donate all of their wealth to solving hunger overnight, and they're so unimaginably wealthy that it would actually be enough to set up the systems to ensure global prosperity. I don't think a truly egalitarian society is achievable but I have hope that hundreds of years from now, historians will look back on the working class of today like they do on serfs, with bewilderment about how little rights they had. There are massive changes that could take place without total revolution, imo.

 

 

 

 

 

OT: I'm spamming this thread but haven't given mine: Corporate data collection on private citizens has gone too far and literally every country on earth should be shutting out such services that don't operate in their own borders. All that data is for sale, lock it down. Ban tiktok outside of China, ban google and meta everywhere but the us, put major dollars into developing domestic competitors. Having such old people in politics around the world has tainted the well, when modern interconnected postal  and phone services were being set up, it would have been unthinkable to let a foreign adversary manage all the communications for your population. There have been confirmed assassinations that were the result of location data from innocuous phone applications. People need to wake up and see this global espionage network for what it is, on all sides, in every country. North Korea and China might actually be the only ones with the right ideas here and that physically hurts to type. The people making laws around tech need to be people who actually understand it.

Edited Friday at 12:22 AM by Sheep

[Trent W]

2 minutes ago, ontherocks said:

There is actually nothing more unattractive than a person with a high morals compass telling other ppl that their happiness is a mental illness and proclaiming standards of what is "still acceptable" and what is "been ran through by everyone." You sound like you have been overlooked or rejected a lot. Don't blame others for having fun. Make yourself happy, regardless how that may be. 

Nah, it's called self control. I could have 10x more sex than I do, but I'm very selective and I also pick people with a similar mindset, the last thing I want is an STD or a partner with strange urges that could back fire and destroy a bond/relationship.

 

STD's are pretty common in promiscuous people, and I'm sorry but that is scary, and I feel for anyone that has gone through something like that. I wouldn't wish that on anyone 

[ontherocks]

Just now, Trent W said:

Nah, it's called self control. I could have 10x more sex than I do, but I'm very selective and I also pick people with a similar mindset, the last thing I want is an STD or a partner with strange urges that could back fire and destroy a bond/relationship.

 

STD's are pretty common in promiscuous people, and I'm sorry but that is scary, and I feel for anyone that has gone through something like that. I wouldn't wish that on anyone 

I wish you had that self control before you started to give your definition of what a mental illness is 

[Trent W]

2 minutes ago, ontherocks said:

I wish you had that self control before you started to give your definition of what a mental illness is 

It's compulsive behavior driven by other psychological issues

Maybe saying the word mental illness was too much, but there's definitely issues behind it

 

People who are too promiscuous can fix it with therapy just by exploring the cause easily

[Sheep]

6 minutes ago, Trent W said:

It's compulsive behavior driven by other psychological issues

Maybe saying the word mental illness was too much, but there's definitely issues behind it

 

People who are too promiscuous can fix it with therapy just by exploring the cause easily

Humans aren't the only animal to have sex for pleasure. It's a natural feature of our species. Naturally, humans are promiscuous but also mate for life, it's a unique arrangement but it isn't that hard to grasp. For the record I'm not a sex worker nor am I very promiscuous myself(esp by gay standards) but these takes just don't seem grounded in any objectivity.

 

People engaging in anything in excess probably have something wrong with them, why are we concentrating on sex specifically? This user is dog walking you because you're showing your own insecurities and hang ups more than any actual opinion. 

Edited Friday at 12:38 AM by Sheep

[ontherocks]

4 minutes ago, Trent W said:

It's compulsive behavior driven by other psychological issues

Maybe saying the word mental illness was too much, but there's definitely issues behind it

 

People who are too promiscuous can fix it with therapy just by exploring the cause easily

Like, this is just crap. What is "too promiscuous" anyway? What is too much and what isn't? And is the number of "too much" the same for everybody or not? Please help me out, Siegmund.

 

[Solaria]

I think it's very counterproductive to take a hostile stance in regards to pronouns. That's not how you get the point across to people.