base talk Why did Ariana transition to movies so well while others failed?

[ariananext]

22 minutes ago, dumbsparce said:

So? It's sth that fits her perfectly.

You keep moving the goalposts and finding excuses. The scene people are praising her the most for is No One Mourns The Wicked, a scene in which she's supposedly happy about the death of her best friend to please the people who think she was the mean character, while actually showing her pain through her eyes and her micro expressions.

 

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Y'all are trying to push this narrative that she's playing herself while trying to erase all the depth and nuance of her character.

 

 

[Eternium]

1 hour ago, Katamari said:

Yes one of the biggest shows on nick is def a minor roles

So Christina Aguilera, Justin Timberlake and Britney Spears are all actors-turned-singers because they had a large role on a Disney show? Let's use our brains  

1 hour ago, dumbsparce said:

I just think it's way too early to tell that she has transitioned to movies well when her only gig so far has been sth tailor-made for her.

All actors pick their roles. Yes, she hasn't fleshed out her career just yet, but it's also standard for the job to pick out roles within your range. That's actually one of the signs of a good actor - picking good roles.

22 minutes ago, Tm4074 said:

The narrative before Wicked released was that Ariana would do a bad job because "a Nickelodeon show from 10 years ago isn't legit acting and she has no other experience outside kids TV". Now all of a sudden "she was always an actress!!!". Nah more like everyone who parroted that narrative got proven wrong big time and now they're pivoting. 

 

Glinda is nothing like the Ariana Grande pop persona or Ariana as a person hence why the internet/fans were having multiple meltdowns that the Glinda character was influencing too much of her music and pop star persona during the ES rollout. She fits the part because she's a good actress and a hard worker that wanted to do Wicked and the character justice. Let's just give credit where credit is due. She isn't getting acclaim and awards recognition because she's playing herself or a version of herself that people attribute to her. Not to mention the overwhelming discourse when she was cast was about how she was going to be like her pop persona and ruin the character which again is nothing like Glinda. 

Right? The actual director even tried to change Glinda to be more like Ariana and asked her to give trap-pop elements to "Popular." Ariana refused. That is good acting - respecting your character and not adapting it to your comfort zone.

[Jagger]

1 hour ago, Tm4074 said:

The narrative before Wicked released was that Ariana would do a bad job because "a Nickelodeon show from 10 years ago isn't legit acting and she has no other experience outside kids TV". Now all of a sudden "she was always an actress!!!". Nah more like everyone who parroted that narrative got proven wrong big time and now they're pivoting. 

 

Glinda is nothing like the Ariana Grande pop persona or Ariana as a person hence why the internet/fans were having multiple meltdowns that the Glinda character was influencing too much of her music and pop star persona during the ES rollout. She fits the part because she's a good actress and a hard worker that wanted to do Wicked and the character justice. Let's just give credit where credit is due. She isn't getting acclaim and awards recognition because she's playing herself or a version of herself that people attribute to her. Not to mention the overwhelming discourse when she was cast was about how she was going to be like her pop persona and ruin the character which again is nothing like Glinda. 

Who tf is Glinda really? What is her psychological profile/personality? I find this disingenuous. Isn't she just a witch? What are her motivations beyond being white and privileged? 

[supaspaz]

Ariana has transitioned to a movie successfully. We’ll see if it becomes a whole career. Gaga has struggled to follow up ASIB, for example. Seems unfair to drag Madonna’s two-decade run in film by comparison.

[Katamari]

1 hour ago, Eternium said:

So Christina Aguilera, Justin Timberlake and Britney Spears are all actors-turned-singers because they had a large role on a Disney show? Let's use our brains  

All actors pick their roles. Yes, she hasn't fleshed out her career just yet, but it's also standard for the job to pick out roles within your range. That's actually one of the signs of a good actor - picking good roles.

Right? The actual director even tried to change Glinda to be more like Ariana and asked her to give trap-pop elements to "Popular." Ariana refused. That is good acting - respecting your character and not adapting it to your comfort zone.

technically yes

 

i meant she is as much as an actress as she is a singer idk why that triggered you so much 

[ariananext]

18 minutes ago, Jagger said:

Who tf is Glinda really? What is her psychological profile/personality? I find this disingenuous. Isn't she just a witch? What are her motivations beyond being white and privileged? 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glinda

[Katamari]

1 hour ago, Tm4074 said:

The narrative before Wicked released was that Ariana would do a bad job because "a Nickelodeon show from 10 years ago isn't legit acting and she has no other experience outside kids TV". Now all of a sudden "she was always an actress!!!". Nah more like everyone who parroted that narrative got proven wrong big time and now they're pivoting. 

 

Glinda is nothing like the Ariana Grande pop persona or Ariana as a person hence why the internet/fans were having multiple meltdowns that the Glinda character was influencing too much of her music and pop star persona during the ES rollout. She fits the part because she's a good actress and a hard worker that wanted to do Wicked and the character justice. Let's just give credit where credit is due. She isn't getting acclaim and awards recognition because she's playing herself or a version of herself that people attribute to her. Not to mention the overwhelming discourse when she was cast was about how she was going to be like her pop persona and ruin the character which again is nothing like Glinda. 

i thought she would do as well glinda idk where you got all that from my simple comment but ok

 

i agree with you for wiw

[ariananext]

1 minute ago, Katamari said:

technically yes

 

i meant she is as much as an actress as she is a singer idk why that triggered you so much 

Girl, how? If with "First and foremost" you mean that she's more of an actress than a singer that's obviously false, and if you intend that she was an actress first that's still factually untrue.

 

She started singing as a child and she was posting covers on YouTube before, during and after being on Nickelodeon. 

 

She has 7 studio albums + 2 EPs, other than that she was in a kids show that involved music and in a movie adaption of a musical. She's 80% singer and 20% actress as of now and that's being generous, how is she one as much as the other?

 

From Ariana herself (2014):

"I hate acting," says Grande with a laugh – she grew up worshipping Whitney Houston and Destiny's Child, and has serious vocal range and power of her own. "It's fun, but music has always been first and foremost with me."

[Jagger]

11 minutes ago, ariananext said:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glinda

Says absolutely nothing about who she is as a person. She's a blank canvas at this point. Ofc Ari could play her  anyone can. What motivates Glinda to get up in the morning? If you can't answer that question then she isn't a compelling character 

[ariananext]

Just now, Jagger said:

Says absolutely nothing about who she is as a person. She's a blank canvas at this point. Ofc Ari could play her  anyone can. What motivates Glinda to get up in the morning? If you can't answer that question then she isn't a compelling character 

Yes girlie, you're absolutely correct, anyone could play her and Ariana is a terrible actress, whatever makes you sleep at night  

[Eternium]

45 minutes ago, Jagger said:

Who tf is Glinda really? What is her psychological profile/personality? I find this disingenuous. Isn't she just a witch? What are her motivations beyond being white and privileged? 

She's Galinda, to start with. She is a character indicative of the 90s that exists in the same plane as Cher from Clueless (Alicia Silverstone's character). She is blonde, privileged, excels in school, gets everything she wants, obsesses over popularity, struggles when she doesn't get her way and is clueless to the hardships and lives of other people. All of that aside, she is a genuinely caring person who has been sheltered and shows development when she creates a connection with Elphaba. 
 

Not only does Galinda have an incredibly moving and emotional amount of character development (something that is typically absent for female protagonists in Blockbusters and stage media), but she's also the comedic relief in Wicked.

 

I'm not sure if you just haven't seen Wicked or if it went over your head, but to say that Galinda is just a blank slate is so incredibly stupid and reeks of either a lack of critical thinking or just blatant ignorance  

31 minutes ago, supaspaz said:

Ariana has transitioned to a movie successfully. We'll see if it becomes a whole career. Gaga has struggled to follow up ASIB, for example. Seems unfair to drag Madonna's two-decade run in film by comparison.

Considering Wicked is being broken up into two films, it's highly likely that she will manage a second successful film rather easily. I do believe that it's way too early to put her above an artist like Madonna with four successful, memorable films. Heck, I wouldn't even put her above Beyonce yet with how storied and successful her film career has been.

27 minutes ago, Katamari said:

technically yes

 

i meant she is as much as an actress as she is a singer idk why that triggered you so much 

I'm not triggered in the slightest. Literally just furthering a conversation. Ariana had a stint on a TV show and while it was successful, the public learned of her as a singer and associated her with pop stardom instead of acting. It's the same with Britney, Christina and Justin Timberlake - they acted first, but their breakthroughs were as singers.

[Tm4074]

1 hour ago, Jagger said:

Who tf is Glinda really? What is her psychological profile/personality? I find this disingenuous. Isn't she just a witch? What are her motivations beyond being white and privileged? 

If you watched the movie or seen the stage musical this would answer your question. Glinda literally says to Elphaba and Morrible that her "greatest desire is to be a sorceress" and she is bothering Morrible constantly to enroll in her sorcery seminar which Morrible initially denies until Elphaba convinces her to allow Glinda to participate. Glinda develops animosity towards Elphaba because Elphaba can do magic and receives special attention and individual lessons from Morrible which is what Glinda desperately wants for herself. Glinda is clearly very ambitious, aloof, naive, and privileged. She never faced challenges and didn't get her way until she arrived at Shiz and her worldview was challenged thanks to her relationship with Elphaba. That's her entire arc in the movie going from out-of-touch privileged girl to developing compassion and understanding for others that are different as all her relationships have been superficial to that point. That's why the scene with Elphaba at the Ozdust is a major tuning point for Glinda, she's willing risk her popularity and image to do that silly dance with Elphaba because she feels guilty for giving her the hat which made everyone laugh at Elphaba. 
 

Glinda is a people pleaser that wants to be perceived as important by others as she says in Popular "it's not about aptitude it's the way you're viewed". I don't understand how this isn't clear as day if you seen the movie or stage musical. Her motivations are literally directly addressed in her dialogue several times in the movie and stage musical lmao. 
 

Of course you won't understand a characters motivations if you haven't seen the source material and based on your implication Glinda is a "blank slate" leads me to believe you haven't seen it because this assessment of Glinda makes absolutely no sense. 

Edited Thursday at 09:01 PM by Tm4074

[Jagger]

23 minutes ago, Tm4074 said:

If you watched the movie or seen the stage musical this would answer your question. Glinda literally says to Elphaba and Morrible that her "greatest desire is to be a sorceress" and she is bothering Morrible constantly to enroll in her sorcery seminar which Morrible initially denies until Elphaba convinces her to allow Glinda to participate. Glinda develops animosity towards Elphaba because Elphaba can do magic and receives special attention and individual lessons from Morrible which is what Glinda desperately wants for herself. Glinda is clearly very ambitious, aloof, naive, and privileged. She never faced challenges and didn't get her way until she arrived at Shiz and her worldview was challenged thanks to her relationship with Elphaba. That's her entire arc in the movie going from out-of-touch privileged girl to developing compassion and understanding for others that are different as all her relationships have been superficial to that point. That's why the scene with Elphaba at the Ozdust is a major tuning point for Glinda, she's willing risk her popularity and image to do that silly dance with Elphaba because she feels guilty for giving her the hat which made everyone laugh at Elphaba. 
 

Glinda is a people pleaser that wants to be perceived as important by others as she says in Popular "it's not about aptitude it's the way you're viewed". I don't understand how this isn't clear as day if you seen the movie or stage musical. Her motivations are literally directly addressed in her dialogue several times in the movie and stage musical lmao. 
 

Of course you won't understand a characters motivations if you haven't seen the source material and based on your implication Glinda is a "blank slate" leads me to believe you haven't seen it because this assessment of Glinda makes absolutely no sense. 

Her personality is "pretty"

[Stuart]

20 minutes ago, Jagger said:

Her personality is "pretty"

I don't even understand why you kept being sh!tty for hours and pissing people to explain her character to you (like Google exists ? Use your brain and do things by yourself maybe ?)  if you were still not going to be convinced. 

[Aethereal]

She's charismatic and knows her place, complete opposite to Gaga. This was the case before she became a singer her acting was very 'fitting' and worth paying for a role.

She's good at she does, meanwhile Gaga always picks roles that are above her moderate acting skills for a narcissistic place in the industry.