poll Lana & Jack's "bombastic" tracks…

[stjosephprey4us]

1. F*** it I love you

2. Cinnamon girl

3. Tulsa Jesus Freak

4. Dark But Just a Game

5. A&W (Jimmy part)

6. Fishtail

7. Peppers

8. Taco Truck x VB

9. Tough (Jack has writing creds.)

 

Do we need an album full of these? Or is your bussy not quaking enough at the thought 

[Vixen Eyes]

the first three + A&W are all Lana career highlights and instant classics.

HOWEVER, those are not bombastic. theyre just more uptempo compared to the rest of the albums (piano driven).

give us another Ultraviolence psychedelic rock album or a Born to Die 2.0

[ScorpiosGroove]

"bombastic" 

[Dante Silva]

I prefer the sonic direction Dan Auerbach led her down and I'd like that partnership to be revived with some Justin Parker co-writes.

[Subversive]

He was clearly talking about songs that never made the cut. The snippet leaks we have of one sound definitely more upbeat 

[xXavril]

I think the main problem with Lana fans is they equate bombastic with bop, which I don't think Jack meant when he talked about bombastic songs.
 

Tunnel title track is rather bombastic with how fully produced it is, and the same goes for VB and MAC. 
 

I want a BTD/UV/LFL level bop as much as the next fan, but I think the main thing holding Lana back is that's really not what she wants. The bops on tunnel (Jimmy and x VB) were both from 2018, and she even said in one of her interviews she didn't want to include Jimmy and it was her friends who convinced her to do it. 

[stjosephprey4us]

13 minutes ago, Subversive said:

He was clearly talking about songs that never made the cut. The snippet leaks we have of one sound definitely more upbeat 

Jimmy def counts under this. What is the song we have a snippet of?

[NOW]

2 hours ago, Dante Silva said:

I prefer the sonic direction Dan Auerbach led her down and I'd like that partnership to be revived with some Justin Parker co-writes.

I think that working relationship just never continued past UV due to how tumultuous it got in the production process. The Black Keys and Lana played several festivals together that year but never met up after the album was done. Dan has said he's open to it but it's probably Lana who isn't interested. Considering her mental state at the time, it made sense that something fiery came out and ended up burning a lot of people around her who weren't familiar with her or her reputation.

 

Quote

Is that a collaboration that felt like a one-off or would you want to work with her again?

 

AUERBACH:

I feel like on any given week I could get into the studio with someone like Lana and make something really cool. She's so creative. I'm always down to get into the studio with people who are like that. You could feel the tension going on. She was being pulled in a lot of different directions, plus she was around all these musicians she didn't know. And she fired the drummer on the second day. [Laughs] Or, I had to fire the drummer. But I think it was that tension that got something special. I don't try to fight any of that stuff. Tension or not, we're recording. [Nashville engineer] David Ferguson he always says, "ABC, always be ******* recording."

https://www.stereogum.com/2186356/dan-auerbach-john-prine-lana-del-rey-yola-black-keys/interviews/weve-got-a-file-on-you/

 

OT: Throw in the Greatest and we've got a magnum opus! If production was turned up just a notch higher on Tulsa and Fishtail, they'd be even more amazing.

 

 

Edited December 31, 2024 by NOW

[Vixen Eyes]

2 hours ago, xXavril said:

I think the main problem with Lana fans is they equate bombastic with bop, which I don't think Jack meant when he talked about bombastic songs.
 

Tunnel title track is rather bombastic with how fully produced it is, and the same goes for VB and MAC. 
 

I want a BTD/UV/LFL level bop as much as the next fan, but I think the main thing holding Lana back is that's really not what she wants. The bops on tunnel (Jimmy and x VB) were both from 2018, and she even said in one of her interviews she didn't want to include Jimmy and it was her friends who convinced her to do it. 

nah these songs are not bombastic

[ontherocks]

4 hours ago, Dante Silva said:

I prefer the sonic direction Dan Auerbach led her down and I'd like that partnership to be revived with some Justin Parker co-writes.

Yeah, some of you haven't listened to anything Dan Auerbach post 2014 and it shows. Justin Parker is also washed up and his writing skills are now way below her 

[Dante Silva]

1 hour ago, ontherocks said:

Yeah, some of you haven't listened to anything Dan Auerbach post 2014 and it shows. Justin Parker is also washed up and his writing skills are now way below her 

I don't find this to be true but do find it wholly applicable to Jack Antonoff.

[stjosephprey4us]

5 hours ago, ScorpiosGroove said:

"bombastic" 

 

2 hours ago, Vixen Eyes said:

nah these songs are not bombastic

I was referencing how Jack described a selection of songs they made together in an interview (can't find the link )

[ontherocks]

6 minutes ago, Dante Silva said:

I don't find this to be true but do find it wholly applicable to Jack Antonoff.

And you are completly wrong. 

[Dante Silva]

2 hours ago, ontherocks said:

And you are completly wrong. 

Look around you. Many people are tired of Jack Antonoff, and for good reason. His production style, while initially refreshing, has become formulaic and overbearing, often overshadowing the artist's own voice.

 

Lana's best work thrives when her collaborators bring out her unique vision rather than imprinting their signature sound all over it. Dan Auerbach elevated her artistry with his raw, atmospheric approach, allowing her essence to shine.

 

So, if I'm 'completely wrong,' why do so many fans consistently express a love for the UV era and for an approach to production that amplified her talents and artistic vision, rather than one that risks diminishing the unique essence of her work? Perhaps the nostalgia for these partnerships speaks to something worth reconsidering.

 

Edited Wednesday at 02:57 AM by Dante Silva

[ontherocks]

34 minutes ago, Dante Silva said:

 

 

So, if I'm 'completely wrong,' why do so many fans consistently express a love for the UV era and for an approach to production that amplified her talents and artistic vision, rather than one that risks diminishing the unique essence of her work? Perhaps the nostalgia for these partnerships speaks to something worth reconsidering.

 

Because these ppl are stuck in the past and very often too emotionally attached to a time that is long gone. And to call Jack stale while wishing for Dan Auerbach or Justin Parker who haven't done anything worth mentioning in years and years is mindblowing, especially when Lana constantly releases, gets Grammy nominations and critical acclaim left and right, her last album lasting longer on the charts than every other record post 2014, selling out stadiums in minutes. 

 

Maybe that is more worth than homosexual nostalgia from emotionally depended gays who will hopefully move on to other artists once the country album comes out.

 

She is not the same person she used to be a decade ago. She's a happily married Christian who nowadays spends most of her time in Louisiana and not in some stinky Yankee hellholes. 

Edited Wednesday at 03:09 AM by ontherocks

[Dante Silva]

6 minutes ago, ontherocks said:

Because these ppl are stuck in the past and very often too emotionally attached to a time that is long gone. And to call Jack stale while wishing for Dan Auerbach or Justin Parker who haven't done anything worth mentioning in years and years is mindblowing, especially when Lana constantly releases, gets Grammy nominations and critical acclaim left and right, her last album lasting longer on the charts than every other record post 2014, selling out stadiums in minutes. 

 

Maybe that is more worth than homosexual nostalgia from emotionally depended gays who will hopefully move on to other artists once the country album comes out.

 

She is not the same person she used to be a decade ago. She's a happily married Christian who nowadays spends most of her time in Louisiana and not in some stinky Yankee hellholes. 

It's interesting how any critique of Lana's current collaborators is so easily dismissed as nostalgia. Wanting to see an artist thrive by working with people who brought out her best isn't about being 'stuck in the past'; it's about recognizing the synergy that allowed her unique voice and artistry to shine. Dan Auerbach and Justin Parker helped create moments in her career that are still celebrated—not because of 'emotional dependence,' but because of the undeniable quality of their contributions.

 

Success, Grammy nominations, and chart longevity are fantastic achievements, but they don't exempt creative decisions from scrutiny. Growth doesn't have to mean abandoning the dynamics that once worked brilliantly; it's about building on them in ways that still resonate. Lana has always balanced evolution with echoes of what made her a standout to begin with—that's what makes her one of the greats.

 

Finally, let's keep the conversation about the art. Reducing fans to stereotypes and dismissing valid opinions as 'homosexual nostalgia' isn't just offensive—it derails what could be an insightful discussion about Lana's artistic journey. An artist as complex and layered as Lana deserves a fanbase that values meaningful dialogue over unnecessary attacks.

[ontherocks]

17 minutes ago, Dante Silva said:

It's interesting how any critique of Lana's current collaborators is so easily dismissed as nostalgia. Wanting to see an artist thrive by working with people who brought out her best isn't about being 'stuck in the past'; it's about recognizing the synergy that allowed her unique voice and artistry to shine. Dan Auerbach and Justin Parker helped create moments in her career that are still celebrated—not because of 'emotional dependence,' but because of the undeniable quality of their contributions.

 

Success, Grammy nominations, and chart longevity are fantastic achievements, but they don't exempt creative decisions from scrutiny. Growth doesn't have to mean abandoning the dynamics that once worked brilliantly; it's about building on them in ways that still resonate. Lana has always balanced evolution with echoes of what made her a standout to begin with—that's what makes her one of the greats.

 

Finally, let's keep the conversation about the art. Reducing fans to stereotypes and dismissing valid opinions as 'homosexual nostalgia' isn't just offensive—it derails what could be an insightful discussion about Lana's artistic journey. An artist as complex and layered as Lana deserves a fanbase that values meaningful dialogue over unnecessary attacks.

Lol, this is hysterical. Their collaborations came to end because they fell out. To think that once a working relationship has ended, needs to be re-attempted in order to create some old magic is naive, cause they are not the same ppl they used to be a decade ago. See Katy Perry and Dr Luke.

 

And once again, nothing Dan has done post UV was even okay. And Justin didn't even work on something in years. They are done in this industry. Tossed out. Put aside. Over.

 

 

Edited Wednesday at 03:32 AM by ontherocks

[Dante Silva]

6 minutes ago, ontherocks said:

Lol, this is hysterical. Their collaborations came to end because they fell out. To think that once a working relationship has ended, needs to be re-attempted in order to create some old magic is naive, cause they are not the same ppl they used to be a decade ago. See Katy Perry and Dr Luke.

 

And once again, nothing Dan has done post UV was even okay. And Justin didn't even work on something in years. They are done in this industry. Tossed out. Put aside. Over.

 

 

It's fascinating how quickly you dismiss the possibility of rekindling collaborations as if artistic relationships can't evolve or reignite in meaningful ways. Artists like Madonna returning to Stuart Price years after their initial success, or even Lana herself revisiting past collaborators like Rick Nowels, prove that revisiting old partnerships can yield fresh, powerful results when both parties are willing to grow together.

 

As for Dan Auerbach, The Black Keys are still actively producing music and touring successfully, so it's quite a stretch to declare him 'done' in the industry. Similarly, Justin Parker's work may not be as prominent in recent years, but to equate a quieter profile with irrelevance underestimates the cyclical nature of creativity. Talent doesn't expire; opportunities and timing simply shift.

 

What's truly naive is dismissing the idea of exploring dynamics that once worked so well, especially in an industry that thrives on reinvention. Artists grow, and so do their collaborators. It's not about recreating the past but building on a foundation that has already proven itself capable of amplifying Lana's artistry. The enduring celebration of UV isn't just nostalgia—it's a recognition of something deeply resonant and rare, something worth considering in her ongoing evolution.

 

Let's not rush to declare writers/ producers 'tossed out' or 'over.' Particularly when other artist's such as Lorde and St. Vincent have more recently made choices to discontinue working with Jack. Art has a way of surprising us, especially when we least expect it.

[ontherocks]

5 hours ago, Dante Silva said:

It's fascinating how quickly you dismiss the possibility of rekindling collaborations as if artistic relationships can't evolve or reignite in meaningful ways. Artists like Madonna returning to Stuart Price years after their initial success, or even Lana herself revisiting past collaborators like Rick Nowels, prove that revisiting old partnerships can yield fresh, powerful results when both parties are willing to grow together.

 

As for Dan Auerbach, The Black Keys are still actively producing music and touring successfully, so it's quite a stretch to declare him 'done' in the industry. Similarly, Justin Parker's work may not be as prominent in recent years, but to equate a quieter profile with irrelevance underestimates the cyclical nature of creativity. Talent doesn't expire; opportunities and timing simply shift.

 

What's truly naive is dismissing the idea of exploring dynamics that once worked so well, especially in an industry that thrives on reinvention. Artists grow, and so do their collaborators. It's not about recreating the past but building on a foundation that has already proven itself capable of amplifying Lana's artistry. The enduring celebration of UV isn't just nostalgia—it's a recognition of something deeply resonant and rare, something worth considering in her ongoing evolution.

 

Let's not rush to declare writers/ producers 'tossed out' or 'over.' Particularly when other artist's such as Lorde and St. Vincent have more recently made choices to discontinue working with Jack. Art has a way of surprising us, especially when we least expect it.

Tossed out, put aside & over! Live with it. Learn from it. 

[Dante Silva]

1 hour ago, ontherocks said:

Tossed out, put aside & over! Live with it. Learn from it. 

I see you're doubling down on your stance—succinct, though not particularly constructive. It's interesting how you frame the careers of people like Dan Auerbach and Justin Parker as 'tossed out' and 'over,' when the music industry is anything but linear. Success ebbs and flows, and history shows us that those written off often come back with surprising relevance.

 

Take Fleetwood Mac reuniting with Lindsey Buckingham after years apart or Johnny Cash finding a career resurgence with Rick Rubin. The key takeaway? In music, reinvention and timing matter more than following a rigid narrative of who's 'done.'

 

What's clear is that Lana thrives on risk and artistic exploration. Whether or not she revisits past collaborators is up to her, but the respect for those who helped craft her most celebrated eras shouldn't be dismissed so casually. If anything, their past work speaks for itself and continues to resonate with fans—hardly the legacy of someone 'over.'

 

Sometimes, it's worth entertaining the idea that longevity in the arts doesn't come from 'living with it and learning from it'—it comes from asking 'what's next' and daring to look backward to move forward.

[ontherocks]

6 minutes ago, Dante Silva said:

I see you're doubling down on your stance—succinct, though not particularly constructive. It's interesting how you frame the careers of people like Dan Auerbach and Justin Parker as 'tossed out' and 'over,' when the music industry is anything but linear. Success ebbs and flows, and history shows us that those written off often come back with surprising relevance.

 

Take Fleetwood Mac reuniting with Lindsey Buckingham after years apart or Johnny Cash finding a career resurgence with Rick Rubin. The key takeaway? In music, reinvention and timing matter more than following a rigid narrative of who's 'done.'

 

What's clear is that Lana thrives on risk and artistic exploration. Whether or not she revisits past collaborators is up to her, but the respect for those who helped craft her most celebrated eras shouldn't be dismissed so casually. If anything, their past work speaks for itself and continues to resonate with fans—hardly the legacy of someone 'over.'

 

Sometimes, it's worth entertaining the idea that longevity in the arts doesn't come from 'living with it and learning from it'—it comes from asking 'what's next' and daring to look backward to move forward.

I ain't readin any of that. This is not an essay forum. 

 

Once again: tossed out, put aside & over. Live with it, learn from it. 

[Dante Silva]

23 minutes ago, ontherocks said:

I ain't readin any of that. This is not an essay forum. 

 

Once again: tossed out, put aside & over. Live with it, learn from it. 

Interesting take, but if anyone's career trajectory warrants scrutiny, it's Jack Antonoff's. Fans consistently praise Ultraviolence—Dan Auerbach's production—while Jack's work has become a point of contention. There's a reason artists like Lorde and St. Vincent have stepped away from him, and his failure to get into Juilliard speaks volumes about his grasp of artistry.

 

Even with Lana, the glow of NFR has dimmed in the half decade since its release. Few fans consider Jack's subsequent collaborations with her to be universally praised, which says a lot. Let's not forget, too, that figures like Zach Dawes, Drew Erickson and Rick Nowels step in when Jack can't deliver. It's clear his role isn't as indispensable as some might think.

 

And the rumors about his wife Margaret's behavior on The Substance set? Not exactly helping the narrative. Maybe it's Jack, not Dan or Justin, who's losing relevance—and the fans and industry are starting to notice.

 

Edited Wednesday at 11:27 AM by Dante Silva

[ontherocks]

11 minutes ago, Dante Silva said:

Interesting take, but if anyone's career trajectory warrants scrutiny, it's Jack Antonoff's. Fans consistently praise Ultraviolence—Dan Auerbach's production—while Jack's work has become a point of contention. There's a reason artists like Lorde and St. Vincent have stepped away from him, and his failure to get into Juilliard speaks volumes about his grasp of artistry.

 

Even with Lana, the glow of NFR has dimmed in the half decade since its release. Few fans consider Jack's subsequent collaborations with her to be universally praised, which says a lot. Let's not forget, too, that figures like Zach Dawes, Drew Erickson and Rick Nowels step in when Jack can't deliver. It's clear his role isn't as indispensable as some might think.

 

And the rumors about his wife Margaret's behavior on The Substance set? Not exactly helping the narrative. Maybe it's Jack, not Dan or Justin, who's losing relevance—and the fans and industry are starting to notice.

 

I see you are in need for communication, but dahlin, I ain't your shrink.

 

Happy new year and best of luck. You'll gonna need it. Bless your heart.

[Dante Silva]

41 minutes ago, ontherocks said:

I see you are in need for communication, but dahlin, I ain't your shrink.

 

Happy new year and best of luck. You'll gonna need it. Bless your heart.

I prefer to keep the conversation about the art. To deviate in to fantasy claims about mental health is offensive and unnecessary.

 

The reality you refuse to accept is that many people are tired of Jack Antonoff's production - by continuing to fangirl over him in an era when much of the fanbase is over him - is out of touch.

[ontherocks]

2 minutes ago, Dante Silva said:

I prefer to keep the conversation about the art. To deviate in to fantasy claims about mental health is offensive and unnecessary.

 

The reality you refuse to accept is that many people are tired of Jack Antonoff's production - by continuing to fangirl over him in an era when much of the fanbase is over him - is out of touch.

Still ain't readin, just find it hysterical that you are still responding.  

 

Dear sis @RideOrDie: I think I have seen you having a similar back & forth with this member a day or two ago who desperately wants to have the last word. Tell me I ain't alone in this