news Taliban bans windows near women

[Delirious]

8 hours ago, Communion said:

The morally consistent position that the only workable solution is to simply offer Afghan women asylum within countries who have the economies that can support refugee populations aka most Western nations.

 

Those who hold the view that they do not want refugees in their nation should be asked to answer for how their view is a far more complicit endorsement of support for the above than those who prefer humanitarian intervention over military intervention. 

 

If one doesn't support Muslim refugees coming to the West, they essentially support forcing women in Afghanistan to live like the above, no?

I agree we should only allow children and women refugees come and not any adult men. I think that will solve the problem 

[Communion]

Just now, Delirious said:

I agree we should only allow children and women refugees come and not any adult men.

You'd sentence gay men in the Middle East to death? Oh wow. 

[Delirious]

2 hours ago, ClashAndBurn said:

It's been so neat watching the people on this hellsite evolve into neocons that want to pour endless resources that we aren't even willing to spend to improve life at home and impose Western values on people that have rejected us time and time again and do not want our intervention.

 

Every time we've involved ourselves in the Middle East, we've made life worse for them. Some introspection as to why the reaction to our invasions and occupations is always further radicalization and terrorism would be ideal for the Cheney Chickenhawks here.  

What? America pulled out, Taliban took over and now look what happened. It's a joke chile

 

Stop saying it's America's fault. It's literally the Taliban and religion and men doing all of this..

[Delirious]

1 minute ago, Communion said:

You'd sentence gay men in the Middle East to death? Oh wow. 

Well you can't really prove if they're gay or not. I wish there was a world where we could but a lot of them take advantage of the fact. 

 

And what do you mean sentence to death? I thought you'll be against such stereotypes? 🤔

[Communion]

2 minutes ago, Delirious said:

Well you can't really prove if they're gay or not.

Why would someone who enjoys living under an Islamic theocracy want to fake being homosexual to go and leave said Islamic theocracy for nations where conservative, literal interpretations of Islam are not law?

[ClashAndBurn]

9 minutes ago, Delirious said:

What? America pulled out, Taliban took over and now look what happened. It's a joke chile

 

Stop saying it's America's fault. It's literally the Taliban and religion and men doing all of this..

The argument people here in this thread are making is that America should have permanently occupied Afghanistan to prevent the Taliban from taking over again, and should have committed more soldiers' lives to a people who literally did not want us to stay. We were there for 20 years and it meant absolutely nothing.

[ClashAndBurn]

24 minutes ago, Sheep said:

I'm sure anybody living in the west has encountered Christians who would cause just as much harm if given the chance. They don't though because we never give them that chance,

Tell that to the gays in Uganda

[Sheep]

1 hour ago, ClashAndBurn said:

Tell that to the gays in Uganda

I must have missed Uganda teleporting away from Eastern Africa and suddenly being recognized as a western nation. Thank you for enlightening me on this quite literally earth-shattering event. You're so smart, what would I do without your genius input which has added so much to this discussion? Truly, thank you.  

Edited December 31, 2024 by Sheep

[May]

7 hours ago, Wasp said:

Lets all be respectful of different cultures and values. 

At this point the ppl who say this have GOTTTT to be joking

 

when is it going to click for you??? To read this stuff and decide to take the 'well its their culture' ground is beyond soulless and void of literally any human compassion.

[Trent W]

5 minutes ago, May said:

At this point the ppl who say this have GOTTTT to be joking

 

when is it going to click for you??? To read this stuff and decide to take the 'well its their culture' ground is beyond soulless and void of literally any human compassion.

I personally think that people who post those generic phrases are bots or ai

 

Like you can't be that stupid 

[Abracadabra]

Dystopian.

[May]

17 minutes ago, Trent W said:

I personally think that people who post those generic phrases are bots or ai

 

Like you can't be that stupid 

either that or we really do live in a simulation world and they're the NPCs. those are the only ways i can fathom people legitimately thinking that way

Edited December 31, 2024 by May

[Wasp]

35 minutes ago, May said:

At this point the ppl who say this have GOTTTT to be joking

 

when is it going to click for you??? To read this stuff and decide to take the 'well its their culture' ground is beyond soulless and void of literally any human compassion.

Your way isn't always the best way. There are valid/legitimate reasons for not wanting women to have rights. We literally see the majority of americans vote for a president who would want these exact things for his women voters.

[May]

8 minutes ago, Wasp said:

There are valid/legitimate reasons for not wanting women to have rights. 

name one

[ClashAndBurn]

1 hour ago, Sheep said:

I must have missed Uganda teleporting away from Eastern Africa and suddenly being recognized as a western nation. Thank you for enlightening me on this quite literally earth-shattering event. You're so smart, what would I do without your genius input which has added so much to this discussion? Truly, thank you.  

How do you think that brand of extreme Christianity was exported to them to begin with? Western missionaries? Surely not.  

[Wasp]

15 minutes ago, May said:

name one

I don't want to get banned on this far left website, so I won't name them, but several of those mentioned in the op are valid for religious and other social reasons (based on the beliefs of those in that country).

[dumbsparce]

This is beyond unfathomable but the Talibans are literal extremists. It's not fair to assume that the average Muslim holds the same views as them.

[Sheep]

16 minutes ago, ClashAndBurn said:

How do you think that brand of extreme Christianity was exported to them to begin with? Western missionaries? Surely not.  

Wow I had no idea that the conversion to Christianity in Uganda took place in a time period that even somewhat resembled the present. I was under the impression that this was something that was started 200 years ago. Now I can see that this was totally relevant to my comment about how one can be generally tolerant while still recognizing that human rights abuses are wrong and condemn them, using something that this forum's user base has encountered much more as a relatable example. You are so smart. Gold star for you I fear. ⭐ 

 

Don't believe what everybody else thinks babes, you aren't a smug contrarian keyboard warrior who adds nothing to this conversation except for lowkey advocating for hate, really! 

Edited December 31, 2024 by Sheep

[Magic_boXX]

This world is just getting worse and worse

 

[Communion]

4 hours ago, Sheep said:

A LOT of people who think they lean progressive have been duped by social media into supporting insanely backwards ideologies. It's such a weird phenomenon 

 

I'm sure anybody living in the west has encountered Christians who would cause just as much harm if given the chance. They don't though because we never give them that chance, the religion of peace rhetoric is literally the exact same as people back home committing hate crimes under the guise of religious freedom, but at an institutional level.

 

 

You can accept the validity of different belief systems and coexist peacefully but that doesn't necessitate accepting every belief. 

 

Sister, the issue with the bold is that the statement falls apart when swapping out Christianity for Judaism and recognizing Zionism as an extremist religious movement.

 

And that it's an testament to how these types of threads usually turn out when it's mostly 1) people trolling, 2) people falling for that trolling, and 3) existential arguments over their unresolved feelings and personal resentments to Islam and that becoming some misguided pretext to a political worldview.

 

Like there's no paradox of tolerance. The West famously does not support the Taliban. You can't even get users to co-sign the idea of helping Muslim women living under the Taliban!

[prettyinpink940]

Why don't they just ban women altogether? Seems like these men would be happier if it were just them. 

[velocity]

6 hours ago, Wasp said:

I don't want to get banned on this far left website, so I won't name them, but several of those mentioned in the op are valid for religious and other social reasons (based on the beliefs of those in that country).

they're not just based on beliefs in those countries though since you seem to also agree with them.

 

if you're going to support these views then go on and share why YOU find them legitimate

[Letters From Adi]

If it was possible, these women should just boycott the men and stop giving birth. Need a South Korea like feminist movement to fight against such oppression.

[Frozen99]

20 hours ago, Communion said:

So you hate the Taliban but also think women should suffer under the Taliban to not disrupt ethnic and racial ratios within your nation. Interesting. 

why are you putting words in my mouth?  whether we accept portions of those women (which is unthinkable) those horrible things will continue to happen to other women that won't be able to escape (which is the vast majority). so you wanna deport all the afghan women away?... like i said, one of the stupidest takes, i've seen.

[Relampago.]

I'm confused by this thread. 

 

I don't think anyone is defending the Taliban, but you guys do realize that Western intervention was not at all helpful for Afghanistan or the United States in the end, much like most of the US's endeavors abroad?

 

We spent over 2 decades there to no avail. Should we permanently occupy a country, pouring billions into a fruitless cause, while we cannot feed, house or care for our citizens as we are now? 

 

Is the solution then to bomb the sh*t out of the country, killing the people we're allegedly trying to save in the process?

 

I just don't get the idea that America needs to intervene. How the hell are we gonna do that effectively after decades of failures?  It's sad for these women but the only way to help them is to allow them to immigrate to countries with better human rights. There's no other option, so sorry. 

 

But yeah, Islam and all other organized religions are a ****ing plague to this planet. I dream of a world where they all die out.