news Leaked 2022 Biden memo: Latinos don't ID as "community of color", favor class issues

[JanStan]

8 minutes ago, Onyxmage said:

That literally makes NO sense. The immigration bill was Bipartisan and Republicans were fully on board before Trump destroyed it. So as you can see congress was actually working to fix the problem until Republicans turned their backs on the American people to satisfy Trump but keep telling me how Democrats are the problem. 

 

 Anyway, it's clear you have some bias against Democrats no matter what the facts are so ill just let you live in your delusion just like the Hispanic Trumpers do. The next few years are gonna be full of karma for them and I'll be here laughing the entire time.  

What is CLEAR is that you don't differentiate Hispanic Americans from illegal immigrants. Race isnt the entirety of every minorities existence. Take the time to learn that. 

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3 hours ago, JanStan said:

The problem with the left is that they are OBSESSED with race and gender in a way that doesn't reflect the real world AT ALL. In reality, a majority of minorities can't relate to the white supremacy, misogyny, transphobia, homophobia, etc etc that is the foundation of the Democratic Party. There is no space for discussion of things that a majority of Americans actually care about. And it's not each subject alone that is so detrimental (i.e. the use of Latinx, the gender issue, etc) but the fact that those things are even discussed on the same level as housing, immigration and the economy as reasons to vote. The left needs to accept that as much as they refuse to accept it, the country isn't as racist and problematic as they WANT and NEED it to be. 

What data do YOU have to prove this? What reality do you speak of? What research have you done to come to any conclusion? Or are you just shouting your biases and justifying trying to justify it? You speak ask if you speak for all these minorities like you've done actual scientific research. 

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[BrokenMachine]

Son el mismo producto de diferente cloaca 

[JanStan]

13 minutes ago, 45seconds said:

What data do YOU have to prove this? What reality do you speak of? What research have you done to come to any conclusion? Or are you just shouting your biases and justifying trying to justify it? You speak ask if you speak for all these minorities like you've done actual scientific research. 

Every state in the country shifted right which includes a lot of minority voters. So they spoke for themselves? I'm confused at your question. 

[Communion]

7 hours ago, BOOMBAYAH said:

I feel like the term "POC" is just such an odd label. Many wealthy non-white people don't even associate themselves with non-white individuals who are not wealthy. Additionally, there are numerous "POC" demographics in America—from the Middle East, Africa, South America, and Asia—who are generally well-off.

 

As someone pointed out earlier, categorizing all Latinos under the "POC" umbrella doesn't make much sense. For instance, Anya Taylor-Joy is Latina, yet she could easily pass as Norwegian.

 

In my opinion, the group of "POC" who suffer the most directly due to their skin color are African Americans. While other groups undoubtedly face struggles in a racist America, they are often less targeted and tend to align more with class-based struggles than identity-based ones. I've even seen many Black individuals on Twitter distancing themselves from the "POC" label, saying they don't feel a sense of solidarity from other non-white groups.

While corporate Dems screwed us with race reductionism, I do understand hesitations over class reductionism occurring. And as a white person, I do try to avoid that myself, recognizing that race and class are intertwined. That racism historically occurs to materially disenfranchise people from capital - America being built by turning people into literal human capital, etc.

 

It feels like some of the disparity you're trying to point to is seen in how like.. people racialized as Black in America largely share more of the experience of ethnically Black Americans. That centuries of materially anti-black policy - ex: Black Americans having a negative average net worth - is so deep it even affects black migrants, aka why Black Americans are harder to sway with right-wing populism. Even black capitalism, with the very few inroads Republicans have made with it, has more traction than working-class black nativism.

 

In comparison, class seemingly impacts racialization to much more varying degrees for Hispanic and Asian Americans. Asian Americans, for example, have the highest average income but also the greatest wealth disparity among racial groups. The wealth gap between the richest and poorest Asian American ethnic groups is much wider than for other races.

 

The material reality of a Republican-voting Indian American earning $200k differs vastly from a Democratic-voting Cambodian American earning $50k, or a Republican Argentinian American making $140k in Florida versus a Democrat Mexican American earning $30k in Nevada.

 

This is why 2020 was so blackpilling. Corporate Dems weaponized race reductionism against Sanders, accusing him of centering white people. In response, Sanders widened his scope and.... largely succeeded in building a multi-racial working-class coalition. After Nevada, he even led Biden in Black American polling, emphasizing the need for class equality alongside racial justice. And yet, corporate Democrats now are at a point of political weakness that they largely won't achieve either. 

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[Communion]

3 hours ago, JanStan said:

Wow. You couldn't be more wrong and are completely ignorant to the reasons why minorities are unhappy with the dem party. ILLEGAL immigration (for one) has been an objective and unmitigated disaster for American minorities and has done nothing to preserve their rights. It has actually done the exact opposite. When the party supports illegal immigration to the point of shutting down schools and parks for space to house illegals, especially those in low income and minority neighborhoods, YOU ARE NOT PRESERVING THE RIGHTS OF MINORITY GROUPS, YOU ARE EXPLOITING THEM.

Your post represents the ultimate failure of centrists Democrats.

 

Because ultimately you are objectively wrong. Biden was horrifically right-wing on immigration. He was needlessly cruel and did everything in his power to try and limit asylum as possible and contributed in many ways to why so much radically changed in global migration patterns. Biden left most Trump policies in place.

 

But also... because centrist Democrats put capital before everything else, refusing to offer real solutions, Trump's right-wing populism can still soak in.

 

So you have the very few asylum cases that were allowed - to restore order to the border and lessen the processing burden - be used by Republicans to create resentment amongst various Hispanic American groups. Misinformation spread that asylum seekers were getting financial aid that those with undocumented families who came across the border not via asylum claims but by regularly crossing never were offered. A seed that ultimately planted and bloomed because Democrats allowed Republicans to let 99% of COVID-era aid and assistance expire. A reality that only exists because Democrats allowed Republican to basically never allow immigration reform. 

 

Over and over, economic progressivism shows itself as the only way to beat right-wing populism and yet we're chained to a party loyal to its billionaire donors.

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[Gesamtkunstwerk]

Democrats lost because they catered too hard to White Americans who expect a certain style of politics

[constantinople]

Gringos finding out there are white latinos/latin americans will never not be funny to me