news Terrorist attack in Germany, 2 dead, 60+ injured

[Luckitty]

5 hours ago, Both Sides Now said:

I suppose his motive is still being established but I do wonder if all the "well, well, well" commenters will be rescinding their analysis now that it's looking like this is a far right terrorist attack. The German authorities have a lot to answer for if this man was known as a potential terrorist. 

This is highest tragedy regardless of the motive for this sick ****.

the real motive that no one is talking about is that he did this to bring attention to an "atheist refugee organization" (säkulare flüchtlingshilfe in german) who sexually abuse female refugees and threaten to send their information and whereabouts to the saudi government (or whatever country they fled) if they reported it to the police

 

he also said that when he did report it the police & courts didn't help at all and actually destroyed evidence to cover it up

and he mentioned the 3 employees who sexually abused the girls by name, Alaa Al Jabaji (pseudonym Rana Ahmad), Dittmar Steiner, and Stefan Paintner

 

it's driving me crazy that the media (& people) are only reporting on his identity and not the actual motive, as if being an atheist is a motive 

Edited 22 hours ago by Luckitty

[CRUNK.]

The saddest Day of the last year in Germany :(

 

5 Dead, over 200 in Hospitals… just horrible'

[stevyy]

52 minutes ago, Anthinos said:

I don't want to trivialize Islamism and I am in favour of criticism of religion, but this attack was apparently not an Islamist terrorist attack and the guy was for the AfD, Elon Musk, etc. If politicians really want to protect Germany, they should learn from China and finally gain control of the internet and social media in particular. Social media is dividing our society, radicalizing people, etc. It is simply not taken seriously. It needs boundaries, just like in real life. What Elon Musk is doing is disgusting. Right-wing extremism, just like Islamism, should be recognized as the danger it is and action should finally be taken.

StudiVZ or SchülerVZ was the best. Twitter is the worst. Elon Musk is a menace.

[lyk251]

42 minutes ago, Luckitty said:

the real motive that no one is talking about is that he did this to bring attention to an "atheist refugee organization" (säkulare flüchtlingshilfe in german) who sexually abuse female refugees and threaten to send their information and whereabouts to the saudi government (or whatever country they fled) if they reported it to the police

 

he also said that when he did report it the police & courts didn't help at all and actually destroyed evidence to cover it up

and he mentioned the 3 employees who sexually abused the girls by name, Alaa Al Jabaji (pseudonym Rana Ahmad), Dittmar Steiner, and Stefan Paintner

 

it's driving me crazy that the media (& people) are only reporting on his identity and not the actual motive, as if being an atheist is a motive 

Did he only kill/hurt the people who sexually abuse female refugees/ cover it up ?

[Embustera]

An atheist. I'm shocked! 😴

 

I will pray for all the victims.

[Luckitty]

15 minutes ago, lyk251 said:

Did he only kill/hurt the people who sexually abuse female refugees/ cover it up ?

I don't understand 

[Revolution]

Not surprised the terrorist is an Elon and AfD follower.

[Communion]

7 hours ago, Both Sides Now said:

I suppose his motive is still being established but I do wonder if all the "well, well, well" commenters will be rescinding their analysis now that it's looking like this is a far right terrorist attack. The German authorities have a lot to answer for if this man was known as a potential terrorist. 

This is highest tragedy regardless of the motive for this sick ****.

"Warned of the Islamization of the West"

 

I wonder how users on this forum and even in this very thread who parrot these very same talking points feel about having contributed to rhetoric and cultural narratives that directly then cause these mass murders. Horrific. 

Edited 20 hours ago by Communion

[katara]

Clearly he was radicalized by the AfD which should be the main point to make here.

Edited 21 hours ago by katara

[katara]

By the way: sad but true the first thing I check when visiting Xmas markets nowaydays is if they have vehicle blockers at the entry points and how I could escape in an emergency. 

[lyk251]

26 minutes ago, Luckitty said:

I don't understand 

I want to know if his victims are innocent or not before i up vote or down vote your pov of his motive.

[Domination]

Apparently Saudi Arabia had issued warnings over this individual three times to German officials and nothing was done (?). And to the dismay of many in this thread, he was not an Islamist.

Edited 20 hours ago by Domination

[Luckitty]

13 minutes ago, lyk251 said:

I want to know if his victims are innocent or not before i up vote or down vote your pov of his motive.

he ran over random people on the street

 

and it's not my pov of his motive, this is what he stated on his twitter account 

[Vixen Eyes]

1 hour ago, Embustera said:

An atheist. I'm shocked! 😴

 

I will pray for all the victims.

As an atheist, what does this mean? 😒

[lyk251]

17 minutes ago, Luckitty said:

he ran over random people on the street

 

and it's not my pov of his motive, this is what he stated on his twitter account 

You justify his crime with that motive is your pov which i don't argee , hurt/kill innocent people for crime of others is not the way to bring attention for any crime.

[Headlock]

20 hours ago, uusagii said:

Your anger and sentiment is shared by many, trust me

I'm interested to hear the input you and this user you quoted (who has since deleted their comment targeting immigrants/Muslims) have to say, now that we know this was a far-right terrorist attack.

[uusagii]

4 minutes ago, Headlock said:

I'm interested to hear the input you and this user you quoted (who has since deleted their comment targeting immigrants/Muslims) have to say, now that we know this was a far-right terrorist attack.

Mmm no thanks, I have a panettone to sugarcoat

[MattieB]

18 hours ago, Zaram said:

Europe was a lot more left leaning 15 years ago than the US or Asia.

Some right wings parties in the past weren't even as right wing as the democrats.

B O R N. I N. 

[A.R.L]

A wanted criminal in Saudi Arabia due to his terrorist ideology and other crimes has been openly posting direct threats against Germans on X, without any apparent action from intelligence agencies or official authorities. There hasn't even been an investigation into the female Saudi refugees case that this monster has posted in his account, highlighting a significant flaw in the system in Germany. 

 

 

Additionally, reports of large Syrian crowds entering German Christmas markets, chanting religious messages against Christians as a way to celebrate Assad's downfall, are deeply concerning. Germany is in desperate need of systemic change. As someone living in another European country, I can say with certainty that such events would never occur here. While it's true that crimes and terrorist attacks can happen anywhere, the frequency in Germany feels alarming.  
 

Atp if another crime like this happens (and I hope it doesn't), it could surpass the level of crimes in America.  
 

My heart goes out to everyone involved, especially knowing a baby was among the victims, it's gut-wrenching. I can't begin to fathom the pain their families must be feeling during a time when they should be celebrating together.  
 

Considering Saudi Arabia had been seeking this monster from Germany to send him back, it's time for action. He should be sent back to face justice there, they'll serve him with the best possible punishment, even though it's tragically too late for the victims.

[Luckitty]

2 hours ago, lyk251 said:

You justify his crime with that motive is your pov which i don't argee , hurt/kill innocent people for crime of others is not the way to bring attention for any crime.

how am i justifying it?  Explaining someone's motive (which he posted on twitter btw, i didn't make it up) behind a crime doesn't mean you agree with their actions 

 

most murderers have a motive, they don't just kill for no reason

[Communion]

4 hours ago, katara said:

Clearly he was radicalized by the AfD which should be the main point to make here.

You mean the AfD's rhetoric that the West is being Islamized and that Muslim immigrants should be barred from entering Europe? 

 

It's ironic because this represents the contradiction many have long spoken of. That you can't separate one's ethnicity from how people associate and speak of "Muslim migrants".

 

He supports a far-right political party that hates Muslims and non-European migrants yet their very rhetoric is likely why there is little recourse or urgency for officials or the public to care about non-Muslim migrants from the Middle East facing institutional abuses or harm. He supports a neo-nazi party yet he was apparently shocked that the Germany he wants isn't concerned if even the "good" Atheist women from the Middle East are being human trafficked or sexually abused in their attempt to migrate over to Europe. You heard what the AfD said.. they don't want ANY of y'all. 

Edited 17 hours ago by Communion

[brazil]

49 minutes ago, Communion said:

You mean the AfD's rhetoric that the West is being Islamized and that Muslim immigrants should be barred from entering Europe? 

 

It's ironic because this represents the contradiction many have long spoken of. That you can't separate one's ethnicity from how people associate and speak of "Muslim migrants".

 

He supports a far-right political party that hates Muslims and non-European migrants yet their very rhetoric is likely why there is little recourse or urgency for officials or the public to care about non-Muslim migrants from the Middle East facing institutional abuses or harm. He supports a neo-nazi party yet he was apparently shocked that the Germany he wants isn't concerned if even the "good" Atheist women from the Middle East are being human trafficked or sexually abused in their attempt to migrate over to Europe. You heard what the AfD said.. they don't want ANY of y'all. 

It's amazing the mental gymnastics people will make. Just because he didn't follow Islam anymore doesn't mean Afd wanted him. In fact my Brazilian friend who has no connection to the Middle East, but one could say looks Turkish, and lives in Berlin, tells me how he suffers xenophobia all the time on the basis of people thinking he's Turkish. 

 

It's like the Brazilian gays that supports Bolsonaro (who have said he would have gay children because "he has raised then right"). It's the "you dont need to be SO gay" mindset.

 

[lyk251]

1 hour ago, Luckitty said:

how am i justifying it?  Explaining someone's motive (which he posted on twitter btw, i didn't make it up) behind a crime doesn't mean you agree with their actions 

 

most murderers have a motive, they don't just kill for no reason

He using it to justify his crime and you accepted it as his real motive , so you are justifying his crime whether you agree with his actions or not.

[SlowGinFizzzz]

54 minutes ago, lyk251 said:

He using it to justify his crime and you accepted it as his real motive , so you are justifying his crime whether you agree with his actions or not.

Trying to understand the motive behind this barbaric attack ≠ agreeing with the terrorist, like WTF? 

[Luckitty]

57 minutes ago, lyk251 said:

He using it to justify his crime and you accepted it as his real motive , so you are justifying his crime whether you agree with his actions or not.

worms for brains