BorderBoy Posted Friday at 04:17 PM Posted Friday at 04:17 PM 7 hours ago, Cain said: How the hell can you say Free Palestine and then condemn an action of someone fighting an oppressive, unequal and exploitative system? Sure, we all know shooting one CEO isn't going to change the system, but it's a step into putting the power back in the hands of people Do you think Palestine is going to be freed by them asking nicely? Do you think we will be freed from capitalism and exploitation by saying please? Again and again, this is not about Luigi himself or what he did precisely. This is more about what could indicate for this generation: that is, people overlooking crimes just because of the perpetuator's looks. And again, and I'm not at all for the CEOs who cause the suffering of people and I would like to see the power put back in the hands of people like you said, but I don't see it. I'm only seeing Twitter fangirlies tweeting about Luigi's body, hair, face. Some even said he's serving looks, not time. Palestine, my dear, as complicated as it might be seen, has unfortunately been let down by the entire world. Palestinians have tried it all and faced the same consequence over and over again. This isn't the same issue with Luigi. 1 4
Cesar Posted Friday at 04:32 PM Posted Friday at 04:32 PM 20 minutes ago, Gojira said: It is disgusting how people glorify a terrorist murderer just because they think he is handsome. New depths of shallow going on. Yes lets glorify the CEO who murdered thousands of Americans and forced thousands more into medical debt! 10
BorderBoy Posted Friday at 04:33 PM Posted Friday at 04:33 PM 1 hour ago, Cesar said: What actions are people overlooking here exactly? The fact that he killed a man who has murdered thousands of Americans and put even more into debt, just so his company and shareholders can make record breaking profits? What he did was quite a selfless act, killed a healthcare CEO to make a point on our current healthcare system. He literally gave up his life to prove a point. I love sarcasism as much as the next person, it's still extreme to compare Luigis actions (a selfless act) to Netanyahu (Genocidal War Monger). I don't know how anyone could see the videos coming out of Gaza, witness the ongoing genocide. And then decides to compare a patriot to someone who is committing murder in such a massive scale. It coming off as your activism is performative. My dear, I do get where you're coming from, and I don't think you're entirely wrong for standing up for Luigi (I think?) but I'm saying this could be indicate how people will look at criminals just because of the way they look. Where's the issue in stating such a thing? I didn't compare Luigi's act to the long ass list of horrendous crimes against humanity that was committed by Netanyahu. It was a sarcastic comment of how some people might be just sick enough to overlook that pig's action if he had good looks. I mean, where's the lie in this? I read Luigi is being charged with terrorism but Netanyahu got standing ovations several times in the congress while he spoke about his crimes in Gaza, proudly showing skills in massacring Palestinians. The world isn't fair. In short, I get where y'all are coming from (at least the ones who are honest about supporting Luigi because of his Robin Hoob-like act) but I just don't want this to be thing later on. I don't want people to start asking for justice for those who commit crimes just because they may look good. Got it dear?
Cesar Posted Friday at 05:02 PM Posted Friday at 05:02 PM 15 minutes ago, BorderBoy said: Again and again, this is not about Luigi himself or what he did precisely. This is more about what could indicate for this generation: that is, people overlooking crimes just because of the perpetuator's looks. And again, and I'm not at all for the CEOs who cause the suffering of people and I would like to see the power put back in the hands of people like you said, but I don't see it. I'm only seeing Twitter fangirlies tweeting about Luigi's body, hair, face. Some even said he's serving looks, not time. Palestine, my dear, as complicated as it might be seen, has unfortunately been let down by the entire world. Palestinians have tried it all and faced the same consequence over and over again. This isn't the same issue with Luigi. Yes. That's not a generational issue, thats a deeper society issue thats been happening generations before us. It doesn't apply here since again people were already lusting over him before his identity was even revealed. What crime exactly do you have a problem with that you think we are overlooking? Luigi Goodreads Review summarizes peoples general consensus of him. Quote When all other forms of communication fail, violence is necessary to survive. You may not like his methods, but to see things from his perspective, it's not terrorism, it's war and revolution. Fossil fuel companies actively suppress anything that stands in their way and within a generation or two, it will begin costing human lives by greater and greater magnitudes until the earth is just a flaming ball orbiting third from the sun. Peaceful protest is outright ignored, economic protest isn't possible in the current system, so how long until we recognize that violence against those who lead us to such destruction is justified as self-defense. The same way Fossil fuel companies have a hold on our government, the private healthcare has had a hold on it aswell. United Healthcare are donors to: RNC, DNC, Kamala, Trump. When our politicans are being funded by these same companies who prey on the people, and peaceful protesting has essentially became illegal in many parts of the US. To the point where it's legal to kill innocent protestors. I mean, what do you expect people to do at that point? There are many parallels because the same system that oppresses us is the same one who oppresses Palestine. 4
modeblock Posted Friday at 06:03 PM Posted Friday at 06:03 PM (edited) 1 hour ago, BorderBoy said: My dear, I do get where you're coming from, and I don't think you're entirely wrong for standing up for Luigi (I think?) but I'm saying this could be indicate how people will look at criminals just because of the way they look. Where's the issue in stating such a thing? I didn't compare Luigi's act to the long ass list of horrendous crimes against humanity that was committed by Netanyahu. It was a sarcastic comment of how some people might be just sick enough to overlook that pig's action if he had good looks. I mean, where's the lie in this? I read Luigi is being charged with terrorism but Netanyahu got standing ovations several times in the congress while he spoke about his crimes in Gaza, proudly showing skills in massacring Palestinians. The world isn't fair. In short, I get where y'all are coming from (at least the ones who are honest about supporting Luigi because of his Robin Hoob-like act) but I just don't want this to be thing later on. I don't want people to start asking for justice for those who commit crimes just because they may look good. Got it dear? People are going to do whatever it takes for those in power to listen to what WE want them to do, including universal healthcare, free college and much higher minimum wage. They haven't listened to protests, prayers, social media campaigns, etc. If they only leave violence as an option for the populace to be listened to, that's what they're going to get unfortunately. And, well, this would be another case of history repeating itself, not the birth of a new violent, murderous generation. Let's drop the bloodthirsty horny fagggots narrative. Got it dear? Edited Friday at 06:05 PM by modeblock 2 3
BorderBoy Posted Friday at 07:39 PM Posted Friday at 07:39 PM 2 hours ago, Cesar said: What crime exactly do you have a problem with that you think we are overlooking? Basically any crime. The sympathy with Luigi brought back the case of Cameron Herrin, if you remember him, in the sense that people felt sorry for him despite the fact that he was a killer. I just don't want this to be a thing where people don't care about the crime but rather feel sorry for the killers because of their looks. 2 hours ago, Cesar said: There are many parallels because the same system that oppresses us is the same one who oppresses Palestine. Agreed. No arguments here.
BorderBoy Posted Friday at 07:39 PM Posted Friday at 07:39 PM 1 hour ago, modeblock said: People are going to do whatever it takes for those in power to listen to what WE want them to do, including universal healthcare, free college and much higher minimum wage. They haven't listened to protests, prayers, social media campaigns, etc. If they only leave violence as an option for the populace to be listened to, that's what they're going to get unfortunately. And, well, this would be another case of history repeating itself, not the birth of a new violent, murderous generation. Let's drop the bloodthirsty horny fagggots narrative. Got it dear? Okay but what are people doing to protest Luigi's arrest?
nadiamendell Posted Friday at 07:43 PM Posted Friday at 07:43 PM 3 hours ago, BorderBoy said: My dear, I do get where you're coming from, and I don't think you're entirely wrong for standing up for Luigi (I think?) but I'm saying this could be indicate how people will look at criminals just because of the way they look. Where's the issue in stating such a thing? I didn't compare Luigi's act to the long ass list of horrendous crimes against humanity that was committed by Netanyahu. It was a sarcastic comment of how some people might be just sick enough to overlook that pig's action if he had good looks. I mean, where's the lie in this? I read Luigi is being charged with terrorism but Netanyahu got standing ovations several times in the congress while he spoke about his crimes in Gaza, proudly showing skills in massacring Palestinians. The world isn't fair. In short, I get where y'all are coming from (at least the ones who are honest about supporting Luigi because of his Robin Hoob-like act) but I just don't want this to be thing later on. I don't want people to start asking for justice for those who commit crimes just because they may look good. Got it dear? The issue is that you keep repeating this lie. People are not standing up for Luigi "just because of the way" he "looks". That's a plus, yes, but many people: A. Believe that it was deserved due to all of the wrongs done by the health insurance industry & this CEO in particular. B. Have no empathy to give for the now dead sociopath when he had no empathy to spare for all of those that died after being denied care by his company. You look like an absolute fool here defending this dead piece of crap and I just know you'd be criticizing Luigi if he had killed H!tler. 2
BorderBoy Posted Friday at 07:56 PM Posted Friday at 07:56 PM 2 minutes ago, nadiamendell said: The issue is that you keep repeating this lie. People are not standing up for Luigi "just because of the way" he "looks". That's a plus, yes, but many people: A. Believe that it was deserved due to all of the wrongs done by the health insurance industry & this CEO in particular. B. Have no empathy to give for the now dead sociopath when he had no empathy to spare for all of those that died after being denied care by his company. I don't see any of those "people" bringing the understandable couple of points you mentioned to the conversation when defending him. When I read about him on X, it's all "Luigi serves face, body, hair," "Luigi has been convicted of killing this pv$$y," "I can fix him." Unfortunately, there are only very few people who are adding intellectual points to his case, but the majority are just thirsty. 4 minutes ago, nadiamendell said: You look like an absolute fool here defending this dead piece of crap and I just know you'd be criticizing Luigi if he had killed H!tler. You're horrible for saying that and you don't know me. 1
MatiRod Posted Friday at 07:56 PM Posted Friday at 07:56 PM I personally think people are glorifying him and fawning over him because it's one way they can show their discontent and frustration with the dystopian capitalist society were forced to live in, which this CEO (and CEOs as a whole really) was emblematic of. This guy represented wealth inequality derived from a system that many feel is actively out to ruin their lives. Everyone knows protesting does almost nothing and the system is practically impossible to change. So glorifying this guy is a way to show how fed up they are. It's not illegal to tweet a fan edit with "Criminal" over it. It's a small, subversive act of defiance. Nihilistic and amoral perhaps, but so is the system people are railing against. When you work 60 hours a week and can barely afford rent let alone to plan a future, and this guy is making $10M a year by denying people healthcare, people's viewpoints start to change. I'm not making a value judgement on what's right or wrong, but IMO this is way more complex than "they're praising him cause he's hot". I don't think murder is right for any reason. But I understand why some are happy to cheer Luigi on and defend him. 1 12
Cain Posted Friday at 08:00 PM Posted Friday at 08:00 PM 3 minutes ago, MatiRod said: I personally think people are glorifying him and fawning over him because it's one way they can show their discontent and frustration with the dystopian capitalist society were forced to live in, which this CEO (and CEOs as a whole really) was emblematic of. This guy represented wealth inequality derived from a system that many feel is actively out to ruin their lives. Everyone knows protesting does almost nothing and the system is practically impossible to change. So glorifying this guy is a way to show how fed up they are. It's not illegal to tweet a fan edit with "Criminal" over it. It's a small, subversive act of defiance. Nihilistic and amoral perhaps, but so is the system people are railing against. When you work 60 hours a week and can barely afford rent let alone to plan a future, and this guy is making $10M a year by denying people healthcare, people's viewpoints start to change. I'm not making a value judgement on what's right or wrong, but IMO this is way more complex than "they're praising him cause he's hot". I don't think murder is right for any reason. But I understand why some are happy to cheer Luigi on and defend him. This is exactly it
nadiamendell Posted Friday at 08:14 PM Posted Friday at 08:14 PM 12 minutes ago, MatiRod said: I personally think people are glorifying him and fawning over him because it's one way they can show their discontent and frustration with the dystopian capitalist society were forced to live in, which this CEO (and CEOs as a whole really) was emblematic of. This guy represented wealth inequality derived from a system that many feel is actively out to ruin their lives. Everyone knows protesting does almost nothing and the system is practically impossible to change. So glorifying this guy is a way to show how fed up they are. It's not illegal to tweet a fan edit with "Criminal" over it. It's a small, subversive act of defiance. Nihilistic and amoral perhaps, but so is the system people are railing against. When you work 60 hours a week and can barely afford rent let alone to plan a future, and this guy is making $10M a year by denying people healthcare, people's viewpoints start to change. I'm not making a value judgement on what's right or wrong, but IMO this is way more complex than "they're praising him cause he's hot". I don't think murder is right for any reason. But I understand why some are happy to cheer Luigi on and defend him. Exactly. 12 minutes ago, BorderBoy said: I don't see any of those "people" bringing the understandable couple of points you mentioned to the conversation when defending him. When I read about him on X, it's all "Luigi serves face, body, hair," "Luigi has been convicted of killing this pv$$y," "I can fix him." Unfortunately, there are only very few people who are adding intellectual points to his case, but the majority are just thirsty. You're horrible for saying that and you don't know me. See above. Most of these memes are done in good fun and I've honestly been seeing a mix of both the fun and serious discussion posts, so maybe it's just your algorithm. There ARE actual discussions happening on this topic and it's thanks to Luigi that they are even happening right now. Don't forget that the issue of healthcare was basically ignored this last election. What Luigi did is bringing up an issue that is very important to Americans but is largely ignored by their politicians. No wonder so many people just didn't vote this year.
Dante Silva Posted Friday at 08:18 PM Posted Friday at 08:18 PM I keep seeing these news updates on TV with random tv presenters/ news anchors and they all have this attitude like what he did was very wrong and how awful he is and how glad they are he's been caught and I'm like WTF? Nobody is thinking or talking like this who is not on TV. It's like the presenters are trying to hypnotize the viewing public in to a belief that a very bad man who did a very bad thing has been caught and he will be punished and all I'm thinking is - are other viewers in other places buying that narrative? I'm totally on Luigi's side and reading this thread I realise I'm not alone on that thought so I'd love to know what the sanctimonious news presenters etc would think of that. 1
nadiamendell Posted Friday at 08:24 PM Posted Friday at 08:24 PM 5 minutes ago, Dante Silva said: I keep seeing these news updates on TV with random tv presenters/ news anchors and they all have this attitude like what he did was very wrong and how awful he is and how glad they are he's been caught and I'm like WTF? Nobody is thinking or talking like this who is not on TV. It's like the presenters are trying to hypnotize the viewing public in to a belief that a very bad man who did a very bad thing has been caught and he will be punished and all I'm thinking is - are other viewers in other places buying that narrative? I'm totally on Luigi's side and reading this thread I realise I'm not alone on that thought so I'd love to know what the sanctimonious news presenters etc would think of that. And this is exactly why boomers are against him. They are the only ones still watching cable news.
Golowhore Posted Friday at 08:31 PM Posted Friday at 08:31 PM 33 minutes ago, BorderBoy said: I don't see any of those "people" bringing the understandable couple of points you mentioned to the conversation when defending him. When I read about him on X, it's all "Luigi serves face, body, hair," "Luigi has been convicted of killing this pv$$y," "I can fix him." Unfortunately, there are only very few people who are adding intellectual points to his case, but the majority are just thirsty. You're horrible for saying that and you don't know me. Since when is "When I read about him on X..." a legitimate answer to anything? It's freaking twitter. People are going to meme, joke and shitpost about everything. That doesn't mean that this isn't a serious issue. 3
TheCheshireCat Posted Friday at 08:46 PM Posted Friday at 08:46 PM Ramble: In my own personal experience the biggest short term bonus of Luigi's act is that it has temporarily paused a lot of culture war discussions on social media. I have seen so many posts about systemic injustice that have focused way more on class disparities, which is a massive deal because this stuff is never brought up on social media outside of conversations about race which tend to get messy really fast. Its also funny how Luigi managed to make social justice seem masculine, I literally saw a video of him on my feed today smashing a beer on his head, this is a huge deal because as we have seen this past election young straight men don't feel represented in progressive spaces and ironically idealize Musk and Trump, so having a mascot that has this kind of appeal is probably the best thing that has happened to anti establishment politics in a loooong time. 3
Polgg48 Posted Friday at 09:10 PM Posted Friday at 09:10 PM love that most reaction is channeling serious concerns rather than meme the indicent overnight as the trump ones. he hit their nerves and only the beginning of their nightmares. there's always justice somewhere in the rotten world
modeblock Posted Friday at 09:34 PM Posted Friday at 09:34 PM (edited) The dummies in that other Lordgi thread saying he would be forgaga'd by the end of the first week and yet going into week three both the holier-than-thou homosexuals and the stans are still here whew Edited Friday at 09:38 PM by modeblock
BorderBoy Posted Friday at 09:43 PM Posted Friday at 09:43 PM 1 hour ago, Golowhore said: Since when is "When I read about him on X..." a legitimate answer to anything? It's freaking twitter. People are going to meme, joke and shitpost about everything. That doesn't mean that this isn't a serious issue. It is in this situation at least.
BorderBoy Posted Friday at 09:43 PM Posted Friday at 09:43 PM 1 hour ago, nadiamendell said: What Luigi did is bringing up an issue that is very important to Americans but is largely ignored by their politicians. No wonder so many people just didn't vote this year. Well I do hope all is fixed. I don't agree/understand how he's charged with terrorism though.
BorderBoy Posted Friday at 09:45 PM Posted Friday at 09:45 PM 1 hour ago, nadiamendell said: What Luigi did is bringing up an issue that is very important to Americans but is largely ignored by their politicians. No wonder so many people just didn't vote this year. Well I do hope all is fixed. I don't agree/understand how he's charged with terrorism though.
Death & Decay Posted Friday at 10:24 PM Posted Friday at 10:24 PM I understand why people are rooting for this guy. I totally do. Health care companies are disgusting. CEO's are greedy. But I think murder is wrong no matter the circumstance. And I hope this Luigi guy is locked away for life. 1 2 1 2
Symmetra Posted Friday at 10:40 PM Posted Friday at 10:40 PM Anyone defending the greedy ass healthcare system can go to tf.
Sazare Posted Friday at 10:50 PM Posted Friday at 10:50 PM (edited) 6 hours ago, BorderBoy said: Again and again, this is not about Luigi himself or what he did precisely. This is more about what could indicate for this generation: that is, people overlooking crimes just because of the perpetuator's looks. And again, and I'm not at all for the CEOs who cause the suffering of people and I would like to see the power put back in the hands of people like you said, but I don't see it. I'm only seeing Twitter fangirlies tweeting about Luigi's body, hair, face. Some even said he's serving looks, not time. The actions of the perpetrator were being celebrated even when we hadn't seen any of his face Luigi being hot is certainly galvanizing and certainly makes everything that happens from here on out more watchable but it's rank revisionism to act like that's the principle reason the killer's actions have been celebrated Edited Friday at 10:51 PM by Sazare 1
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