celeb news Update: Sexual assault case against Jay-Z dismissed

[on the line]

8 minutes ago, BnPac said:

^ No, the scariest is that, what he says pertaining to your feelings is in fact true. 

If you're resorting to false personal attacks then you've already lost. Enjoy the rest of your weekend.

 

 

[Arrogant]

15 minutes ago, on the line said:

The scariest part of your reply is that you actually believe this.

 

[on the line]

Just now, Lovett said:

Girl, we all know you read the full post. You just can't actually dispute any of it, because the whole story has fallen apart. You've been desperately wanting Beyoncé's demise for years and this isn't it, so stfu and move on. It's embarrassing.

What's embarrassing are the 15 notifications I got from you downvoting every comment I've made in the last 24 hours on this forum. Give my notifications a rest, sis!

[Arrogant]

Found this on the Music sub on Reddit:

 

Quote

I was a teenager who attended the VMAs in 2000, among other years.

The way the VMAs worked with regard to logistics was, there were bleachers set up outside radio city music hall on the avenue for the red carpet and preshow. The step and repeat/red carpet was set up so that the cars dropped off the celeb closer to the side street than the avenue.

The car then had to drive past and park so as to not hold up the rest of the arrivals. Puff's car most likely had a spot in the garage that's underneath Radio City and Rockefeller Center, which means it's completely shielded from fans and the drivers do not have to come back out into the preshow crowd.

Especially since that year MTV kept that area shut down for longer than usual because Eminem began his performance outside then made his way into Radio City. The camera blocking and prep etc meant MTV was restricting access outside and in the venue lobby. The driver wouldn't have been able to move freely. Preshow attendees and outside fans were mostly in "pens" ie barricaded sections, if they weren't on bleachers. If she was in those areas (if she even attended) then she wouldn't have been able to exit and hang around closely enough to interact with drivers.

Preshow attendees/red carpet fans directly on the venue block were all wristbanded and on lists. If you didn't have a wristband you had to be out there for hours beforehand, and were placed at least across the street if you were allowed to stick around at all. Coming up from the east side, MTV shut down sidewalk/pedestrian access for anyone without a pass, ticket or wristband the block before the venue.

It isn't impossible, but it's highly unlikely that everything aligned for this woman to not only make it past the security checkpoints, but to then interact with a driver who most likely had underground parking and could avoid the screaming NSYNC fans (the VMAs were overrun that year, it was the year they did the medley performance with the tv screens).

 

Edited December 14, 2024 by Arrogant

[Lovett]

Just now, on the line said:

What's embarrassing are the 15 notifications I got from you downvoting every comment I've made in the last 24 hours on this forum. Give my notifications a rest, sis!

It was easy enough, considering they're all in this damn thread, trolling.  You don't want to be downvoted? Stop posting idiotic trolling comments in here then, it's pretty simple. It would save us both the time.

[TipToe]

1 hour ago, on the line said:

Lol. I 100% thought of townhouses as mansions when I lived in NYC. What a weird thing to use as proof that someone is lying. 

 

But also, Taylor hugged a republican and the Hive lost their little beehive minds and went on ragers about how Taylor is a republican so let's stop w/ the "those atrlers" act. Nobody's buying it.

OMG are u really comparing people suggesting Taylor is a Trumpster to people calling someone a pdf and a rapist and not being ashamed to say they were always *certain* that was the case? Your fanbase is the most entitled, butthurt of ALL times. Get a grip.

[on the line]

2 minutes ago, Lovett said:

It was easy enough, considering they're all in this damn thread, trolling.  You don't want to be downvoted? Stop posting idiotic trolling comments in here then, it's pretty simple. It would save us both the time.

15 notifications in 2 minutes? You read that quickly? Yelling trolling multiple times doesn't mean it's true. I haven't even mentioned Beyonce once (until just now).

 

Maybe, just maybe, there are reasons someone might believe a victim. 

[BnPac]

5 minutes ago, Giorgoc said:

Wait, then how come people just assume he's guilty? If anything this makes it much more obvious that he's innocent.

Because of the way the information was presented and frankly because people had already decided he was guilty way before this even happened. On this very form, the maker of this thread or the title suggested the victim came forward publicly with this and he was just responding. 

[Trent W]

The way some members want this to be true so bad is scary af

 

I get being angry at the first few pages

 

But right now, still pushing the idea is sick

[Starshine]

Just now, Trent W said:

The way some members want this to be true so bad is scary af

 

I get being angry at the first few pages

 

But right now, still pushing the idea is sick

They're truly sick in the head  

[Lovett]

2 minutes ago, on the line said:

15 notifications in 2 minutes? You read that quickly? Yelling trolling multiple times doesn't mean it's true. I haven't even mentioned Beyonce once (until just now).

 

Maybe, just maybe, there are reasons someone might believe a victim. 

You know my reactions are visible on my account, right?  So we can all see I haven't reacted to 15 of your comments in 2 minutes, which would surely be a sign that you are massively trolling in this thread.

 

You believe the alleged victim, because you want to use it to take down Beyoncé. You don't actually care about the victim and that's painfully obvious from your comments which are nothing more than attempts to incite fan wars. Her story has fallen apart and has gaping holes in it yet you refuse to acknowledge even a tiny bit of uncertainty. Which is very telling.

[Rigalo]

Sooooo this ended up being a big ol nothing burger? 
 

embarrassing for the Stanbases who so desperately wanted this horrible situation to be true 

Edited December 14, 2024 by Rigalo

[WildHeart]

59 minutes ago, BnPac said:

No Hive member here defended rape. Actually a lot Hive members (in the base at least) initially started calling him a rapist and ask for a divorce while some remain reserved and decided to wait for the trials decision. 

Right above you post, a user called the victim liar... 

 

1 hour ago, Arrogant said:

Now OBHs trying to defend lying about rape 

 

So please stop projecting the disgusting behaviour coming out of your fanbase onto me... 

 

[family.guy123]

8 hours ago, StayFrosty said:

THIS YOU?

 

Not serving a full blown conspiracy then telling me to get a hobby for discussing a celeb on here??? Girl are you OK??

"When they act this way, I know I got em" 

 

deflect, deflect, deflect, Creep. Hopefully they've already taken away your access to children cause chile 

 

like I already know I'm the biggest, alcoholic, loser there is. What else you gonna tell me bout myself? 

[Lovett]

Just now, WildHeart said:

Right above you post, a user called the victim liar... 

The one who just went on TV and blew her own story apart and now has her lawyer scrambling to admit he hadn't actually vetted the story before making it public? 

[Arrogant]

2 minutes ago, WildHeart said:

Right above you post, a user called the victim liar... 

 

 

So please stop projecting the disgusting behaviour coming out of your fanbase onto me... 

 

Sorry, the facts don't care about your feelings. If you look at evidence and ignore it so you can soothe yourself and stay in your delulu world, that doesn't make you a person we can take seriously.

[BnPac]

8 minutes ago, Trent W said:

The way some members want this to be true so bad is scary af

 

I get being angry at the first few pages

 

But right now, still pushing the idea is sick

Like wouldn't it be better if this woman was never hurt that violently?

[on the line]

5 minutes ago, Lovett said:

You know my reactions are visible on my account, right?  So we can all see I haven't reacted to 15 of your comments in 2 minutes, which would surely be a sign that you are massively trolling in this thread.

 

You believe the alleged victim, because you want to use it to take down Beyoncé. You don't actually care about the victim and that's painfully obvious from your comments which are nothing more than attempts to incite fan wars. Her story has fallen apart and has gaping holes in it yet you refuse to acknowledge even a tiny bit of uncertainty. Which is very telling.

I was walking my dog, and, okay, it was about 4 minutes later that I opened ATRL to another 23 notifications, and all the top ones were yours. Reviewing, I see @TipToe has joined in on the fun and added many of those too. My bad.

 

I, a gay who spends their time hiking and camping and avoiding poison oak all over California, have no power "to take down Beyonce" - I have fun on ATRL just like the rest of you do.

 

Again, perhaps, there is a reason I side with a victim who says they were raped by someone in power that isn't because I'm "jealous of Beyonce" - lmao, please.

 

 

[WildHeart]

6 minutes ago, Lovett said:

The one who just went on TV and blew her own story apart and now has her lawyer scrambling to admit he hadn't actually vetted the story before making it public? 

God forbid if a victim doesn't remember every detail of what happened 24 years ago as a 13 years old child, must be a liar... 

 

Do you all realize how y'all sound

 

3 minutes ago, Arrogant said:

Sorry, the facts don't care about your feelings. 

Did the court rule out? I must have missed 

[Lovett]

1 minute ago, on the line said:

I was walking my dog, and, okay, it was about 4 minutes later that I opened ATRL to another 23 notifications, and all the top ones were yours. Reviewing, I see @TipToe has joined in on the fun and added many of those too. My bad.

 

I, a gay who spends their time hiking and camping and avoiding poison oak all over California, have no power "to take down Beyonce" - I have fun on ATRL just like the rest of you do.

 

Again, perhaps, there is a reason I side with a victim who says they were raped by someone in power that isn't because I'm "jealous of Beyonce" - lmao, please.

Maybe you should take that as a sign that multiple people aren't interested in your trolling attempts and, I don't know... stop doing them?

 

Let's be clear, you don't have any power to take down Beyoncé and you never will. But that hasn't stopped you from wanting that to happen for many years on this forum. The alleged victim has proven that her story is completely untrustworthy and is yet another example of why we shouldn't be immediately calling people guilty before we actually hear the full story.

 

1 minute ago, WildHeart said:

God forbid if a victim doesn't remember every detail of what happened 24 years ago as a 13 years old child, must be a liar... 

 

Do you all realize how y'all sound

And by "every detail", you mean; the witnesses she alleges that she spoke to, the person who apparently picked her up from the event and the location of the after-party where it allegedly happened.

 

Those aren't minor details, those are the main details of the entire allegation. And as it turns out, none of them are true! Hell, the lawyer hadn't even vetted her allegation before going public with it. Do you not realise how you sound? If the allegation didn't sound suspicious before, now it sounds borderline unbelievable.

[Assassin]

27 minutes ago, on the line said:

What's embarrassing are the 15 notifications I got from you downvoting every comment I've made in the last 24 hours on this forum. Give my notifications a rest, sis!

you know you can turn off notifications for reactions, right?

[Arrogant]

4 minutes ago, WildHeart said:

God forbid if a victim doesn't remember every detail of what happened 24 years ago as a 13 years old child, must be a liar... 

 

Do you all realize how y'all sound

 

Did the court rule out? I must have missed 

GoD fOrBiD

 

We're talking about making up a meeting and a conversation with someone who was verifiably on tour in another city. We're talking about a father having no recollection of a minimum 10-hour drive, likely longer. There's no coming back from that

[Kristie Kuwa]

6 minutes ago, on the line said:

I was walking my dog, and, okay, it was about 4 minutes later that I opened ATRL to another 23 notifications, and all the top ones were yours. Reviewing, I see @TipToe has joined in on the fun and added many of those too. My bad.

 

I, a gay who spends their time hiking and camping and avoiding poison oak all over California, have no power "to take down Beyonce" - I have fun on ATRL just like the rest of you do.

 

Again, perhaps, there is a reason I side with a victim who says they were raped by someone in power that isn't because I'm "jealous of Beyonce" - lmao, please.

 

 

You are a gay who is being messy and doesnt care that his contribution to being messy might cause serious harm to the Carters. You dedicate a part of your life to CONSTANTLY enter threads of Beyonce who you deeply despise.

 

Tip: Use your time while hiking in nature and REFLECT on your problematic behavior. You are part of one of the biggest diseases of the 21st century - keyboard warriors who simply dont care whether their actions online harm people.

[swissman]

This woman shouldn't have to remember every detail to be believed. And of course, sometimes you do get things wrong about the details of certain events and that doesn't mean other aspects of your memory are wrong too.

 

BUT to reference something as specific as a conversation about with Benji Madden about his tattoo specifically when he wasn't even there isn't just misremembering, it's presenting a different reality. It's not a detail like what someone wore, it's an entire conversation and situation with specificity. The tattoo does exist, was she speaking to a different person with the same exact tattoo and she just thought it was Benji? Was it a person with a different tattoo and she just remembers it as Benji? (She has said "I have made some mistakes. I may have made a mistake in identifying." which itself brings up another reason for doubt).

 

I understand the desire to reject "benefit of the doubt" when it comes to alleged victims due many factors, but if that person goes on national television before any evidence was even presented to say things that create doubt due to the fact-checking of the network conducting the interview including the negation of part of her claim by her own father AND if her own lawyer admits he hadn't even finished vetting his client's claims, after already having tried to get Jay-Z in a [settlement?] meeting and then adding his name to an existing lawsuit because of that, it's hard to not start having any doubt.

 

 

Edited December 14, 2024 by swissman

[SJane]

12 minutes ago, swissman said:

The tattoo does exist, was she speaking to a different person with the same exact tattoo and she just thought it was Benji? Was it a person with a different tattoo and she just remembers it as Benji?

So, I saw on LSA that he didn't have that tatoo on back in 2000.  So there's that.