news Luigi Mangione-Defense drags Eric Adams; pretrial judge married to former Pfizer exec

[Chemist]

51 minutes ago, OrgVisual said:

Exactly. Or if he's not white

 

It's fun and all at the beginning when people flaunting over his look. But now it'a getting weird

it's not only here tho. even his jail mates are defending him and i really doubt they care about his looks

[Pikachoo]

1 hour ago, ANTIclimatic said:

Question for the culture. So what now? I understand why that dude did it and really don't gaf about that ceo even when all we had was that footage of him getting shot. I don't condemn his actions but I definitely don't condone them either. I'm just wondering what you guys who are ten toes behind this guy want or expect to happen?

 

like for me personally I felt like this admittedly shocking moment would lead to further discussions on how shitty healthcare is in this country. And while yes I've definitely seen more of that, it's coming second to the thirsting this guy has received. While not exclusionary at all I feel like the media sensation has sought to solely create a cult personality and distract from the message that the killing was supposed to bring to light. 
 

On that note is this really bringing the message to the forefront? I mean anyone with a conscience currently living in the U.S knows that the healthcare system is evil. Like we all have had some form of experience whether it be personal or through a family/friend dealing with the system. It's not like it's a shocking revelation so how will this help a topic already at the forefront of so many minds? Will it push us to rally? Fight for and demand our basic rights? If so what changes? Are we expecting a full kowtow on the threat of death when the system can just replenish itself and the full destruction of the health insurance industry seems unattainable in the current climate. 

 

And how do we keep momentum and what does that look like? How much more violence are we going to accept or dish out for the sake of the greater good? Who are going to be the martyrs for the cause? From the admittedly little I've read about the dude he seemed like he suffered breakdown and I really don't believe a mentally sound person would be able to kill in "cold blood" regardless of reason so are we potentially asking the mentally ill to take one for the team as we preach? Who is this violence a call of action to? Would you go to the extreme for the cause? Violence begets violence which begets even more violence and a violent reaction will be dealt with more brutality in this pseudo police state. 

you're right. a mentally sound person would not be able to murder in cold blood. he carefully planned this, even had a manifesto written out. and it's weird to see people idolize so much, specifically leftists, since his views were anything but leftist.

 

but putting all that aside, I agree with your last point. Users in this thread laughed at me for suggesting he could have dedicated himself to healthcare reform in other ways besides murder, and saying murder was the only way. well you're opening up a pandora's box now, since if the left condones violence, then the right will continue to condone it as well. and each side will just be trying to shoot their enemies in a downward spiral. it's not a path you want to take and it's honestly scaring me that so many people (at least online and in this thread) think this is their only option at this point. this is how young people become radicalized. and if you think radicalization only happens to young conservative men, you're in for a rude awakening.

[Idol_Maniac]

So we're just suppose to sit there and take it indefinitely? No wonder they think we are cucks.

[Matchatea]

14 hours ago, Xtina23 said:

OOhhh ya'll - just checking in on how my boo is doing today.

hope he's feeling my love, virtually.

anyways, I told my psychic to send him good vibes so he's feeling fine, and feeling good.

she's the same psychic who told me lady gaga would flop so I trust her.

If you're reading this (or feeling my vibes) - 143, Luigi!

dsjnfdksjfhdsjkfnhdsjkfdsf

I can't believe I missed out on the fun yesterday… lemme catch up bc these comments are killing me!!! Guys please I only have so many reactions 

[DAP]

36 minutes ago, Pikachoo said:

you're right. a mentally sound person would not be able to murder in cold blood. he carefully planned this, even had a manifesto written out. and it's weird to see people idolize so much, specifically leftists, since his views were anything but leftist.

 

but putting all that aside, I agree with your last point. Users in this thread laughed at me for suggesting he could have dedicated himself to healthcare reform in other ways besides murder, and saying murder was the only way. well you're opening up a pandora's box now, since if the left condones violence, then the right will continue to condone it as well. and each side will just be trying to shoot their enemies in a downward spiral. it's not a path you want to take and it's honestly scaring me that so many people (at least online and in this thread) think this is their only option at this point. this is how young people become radicalized. and if you think radicalization only happens to young conservative men, you're in for a rude awakening.

Sounds fun. At the very least we can see if they can dodge bullets as well as they can dodge taxes.

[Cesar]

54 minutes ago, Pikachoo said:

you're right. a mentally sound person would not be able to murder in cold blood. he carefully planned this, even had a manifesto written out. and it's weird to see people idolize so much, specifically leftists, since his views were anything but leftist.

 

but putting all that aside, I agree with your last point. Users in this thread laughed at me for suggesting he could have dedicated himself to healthcare reform in other ways besides murder, and saying murder was the only way. well you're opening up a pandora's box now, since if the left condones violence, then the right will continue to condone it as well. and each side will just be trying to shoot their enemies in a downward spiral. it's not a path you want to take and it's honestly scaring me that so many people (at least online and in this thread) think this is their only option at this point. this is how young people become radicalized. and if you think radicalization only happens to young conservative men, you're in for a rude awakening.

When our both political parties are funded by private healthcare (United Healthgroup funds both Kamala, Trump, DNC, RNC, people on both sides of the isle), do you really think they really want to come together and stop their donors from making record breaking profits. Single payer healthcare has been stopped time and time again. The corporations have waged warfare against the people ages, just because it's not physical violence doesn't mean it's not happening. 

 

These CEOs choose profit over people time and time again, and receive no consequences for their actions. People have been putting up a fight for healthcare reform for ages now, peacefully. where have you been exactly? Bernie, AOC, etc. countless of organizations.

 

The people are TIRED of the unchecked corporate greed. The real mentally insane people are the 1% because despite owning more than the 99%, they still want more. When will they have enough? 

 

"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." - JFK

 

These past 4 years, we've seen peaceful protesting become illegal in states, people have gotten away with killing innocent demonstrators (Kyle Rittenhouse). homeless people are basically seen as anything but human, to the point where it's legal to commit coldblood murder (Daniel Penny). It is literally illegal to be homeless in states California.

 

Some of you are still try to be native, as if we didn't get to this moment in time without any sort of violence. We didn't get our rights from peacefully protesting, pick up a damn book!

[Vermillion]

 

[Bloo]

1 hour ago, Pikachoo said:

you're right. a mentally sound person would not be able to murder in cold blood. he carefully planned this, even had a manifesto written out. and it's weird to see people idolize so much, specifically leftists, since his views were anything but leftist.

 

but putting all that aside, I agree with your last point. Users in this thread laughed at me for suggesting he could have dedicated himself to healthcare reform in other ways besides murder, and saying murder was the only way. well you're opening up a pandora's box now, since if the left condones violence, then the right will continue to condone it as well. and each side will just be trying to shoot their enemies in a downward spiral. it's not a path you want to take and it's honestly scaring me that so many people (at least online and in this thread) think this is their only option at this point. this is how young people become radicalized. and if you think radicalization only happens to young conservative men, you're in for a rude awakening.

You realize America's freedom was founded on vigilante justice, right? You realize slavery was ended only after the bloodiest war in America's history was fought, right?

 

It is an outright lie to suggest that violence never works when America was literally founded as its own country on a violent revolution. I don't condone violence. I'm a pacifist and a humanitarian. Killing is bad. That goes without saying. However, I am not just talking about killings committed with a gun. I am also talking about killings by denying people healthcare, housing, food, and clothing. Cutting off the food supply in Gaza to let the Palestinian people starve to death is murder. Denying life-saving medical treatment because it's bad for profit is murder. I am interested in addressing all of that. If you are only worried about killings done by a regular person with a gun, then you're not equipped to talk about this, frankly.

 

Why are people like you so hyper-fixated on the isolated killing of a healthcare CEO rather than the ongoing killings committed by people like him to this very day? He's not the only one; other healthcare CEOs are making decisions to increase their profit by denying people life-saving treatment. That, too, is a form of murder (i.e., "social murder"). Why is the conversation of violence so slanted in favor of people with money and power rather than to the powerless? Why is mainstream media expressing so much more anger and outrage over the death of a single healthcare CEO as opposed to the estimated 200,000 dead Palestinians in Gaza since October 7th?

 

Again, I'm a humanitarian. I oppose violence and death. But, the knee-jerk reaction to obsessively speak against the violence committed against one person who was responsible for mass social murder rather than the continued violence by others like him (i.e., other healthcare CEOs and the industry as a whole) is the epitome of missing the point. There is a broader conversation that is relevant and necessary. Crying about the CEO is not important. Thinking about how to reduce mass social murder is important. Given both major political parties take insane amounts of money from these same industries, we cannot rely on conventional modes of change like voting to get out of this age-old problem. My mom is 70 years old. When talking about this issue, she told me she's heard the same promises about improving healthcare all her life and it's never happened.

 

There is a reason for that. It is not because people aren't giving speeches. It is not because people are not going into politics. It is because there is an entire profit-driven industry that has rigged the game against regular people. That industry needs a reckoning and it, predictably, has led to the killing of a health insurance CEO. Had we had universal healthcare before, then this CEO would still be alive. But violence is often the language of the unheard.

 

So, I'm going to say to you the something similar to what I said to the anti-BLM voices besmirching Black protestors for not being entirely peaceful following George Floyd's: if you are deeply concerned about the wellbeing and safety of health insurance CEOs, then you should be supporting universal healthcare.

[Cesar]

2 hours ago, ANTIclimatic said:

Question for the culture. So what now? I understand why that dude did it and really don't gaf about that ceo even when all we had was that footage of him getting shot. I don't condemn his actions but I definitely don't condone them either. I'm just wondering what you guys who are ten toes behind this guy want or expect to happen?

 

like for me personally I felt like this admittedly shocking moment would lead to further discussions on how shitty healthcare is in this country. And while yes I've definitely seen more of that, it's coming second to the thirsting this guy has received. While not exclusionary at all I feel like the media sensation has sought to solely create a cult personality and distract from the message that the killing was supposed to bring to light. 
 

On that note is this really bringing the message to the forefront? I mean anyone with a conscience currently living in the U.S knows that the healthcare system is evil. Like we all have had some form of experience whether it be personal or through a family/friend dealing with the system. It's not like it's a shocking revelation so how will this help a topic already at the forefront of so many minds? Will it push us to rally? Fight for and demand our basic rights? If so what changes? Are we expecting a full kowtow on the threat of death when the system can just replenish itself and the full destruction of the health insurance industry seems unattainable in the current climate. 

 

And how do we keep momentum and what does that look like? How much more violence are we going to accept or dish out for the sake of the greater good? Who are going to be the martyrs for the cause? From the admittedly little I've read about the dude he seemed like he suffered breakdown and I really don't believe a mentally sound person would be able to kill in "cold blood" regardless of reason so are we potentially asking the mentally ill to take one for the team as we preach? Who is this violence a call of action to? Would you go to the extreme for the cause? Violence begets violence which begets even more violence and a violent reaction will be dealt with more brutality in this pseudo police state. 

I believe everything will fall into place inevitably. Since 2016, the elites have lost their way to control the narratives they feed us. Americans don't trust mainstream media like they used to. 

 

The Trump presidency, will awaken people to the corruption that is has been happening in the government. As our rights and freedoms are taken away, and people see that the government has been more alligned with corporate interests instead of the interests of the people. (Taxation without represenation) more people will feel the urge to get involved. 

 

Think about massive wave social justice brought to the forefront in 2020, it all kinda died down once Biden came into office. Everyone assumed the work was done once we voted them in. If Democrats want to stop the work of the far right & MAGA republicans, they'll have to give up their neoliberal, pro-elite ways. Otherwise, it's not going to work.

 

Also put in perspective, this man was a rich guy, who even he got angry with the system. If a well privileged man, the same kind of man this country tries to shape our men into being  got this angry at the system. I can only imagine how many hundreds if not thousands of other people who feel the same way. Obviously most wouldn't dare to take it the route he choose. 

 

These things do not happen overnight, they happen gradually.

[thesegayz]

Putting aside pretty people privilege, this has been a really interesting story to see develop. I don't think the Occupy Wall Street sentiments ever went away, because it's hard to maintain that class consciousness via anger for very long (especially when you have bills to pay and responsibilities to take care of).

 

part of me thought this could be disastrous, but I don't feel that way anymore. It's kinda disheartening to see cops toss him around and manhandle him, as if he's a mass murderer, because he's not. His reasoning, his position in life—it's all very relatable in my opinion. Would I ever take it into my own hands and murder a CEO of a company everyone despises? No. But i get why he did it. 
 

I feel for him, because Democrats are going to enter their prosecute without question to appear strong era. And he fell into the creatures' of the deep, Eric Adams and Josh Shapiro, hands. I never liked Josh, but this made me a never Josher for president. Ever.

 

I don't think this incident will lead to more CEO murders, because I don't think there are many more universally despised to go after, BUT we are in an interesting era of murderers getting public support (e.g. The Menéndez brothers). 
 

There was always chatter about school shooters doing it for status and news coverage. I think we are in a period of time where the right killer and murdered combo gets that fame and coverage. I don't think Luigi expected this amount of coverage, but he proved that it's possible. What it gets him behind bars? Idk. But will a jury be able to convict him? Probably not on the first try, and after the prosecution limits the scope of what's admissible. 
 

We are in a period of loneliness that's unprecedented, especially among young males. There's no public circles to engage in. Idk what's gonna happen but the cards ain't stacked nicely

[Cesar]

14 minutes ago, Bloo said:

Why are people like you so hyper-fixated on the isolated killing of a healthcare CEO rather than the ongoing killings committed by people like him to this very day? He's not the only one; other healthcare CEOs are making decisions to increase their profit by denying people life-saving treatment. That, too, is a form of murder (i.e., "social murder"). Why is the conversation of violence so slanted in favor of people with money and power rather than to the powerless? Why is mainstream media expressing so much more anger and outrage over the death of a single healthcare CEO as opposed to the estimated 200,000 dead Palestinians in Gaza since October 7th?

It is that they don't want to face the true realities of this world. They rather live in state of delusion, than having to deal with feelings of decontruction the false reality we were all fed. 

[Capris Groove]

1 hour ago, Pikachoo said:

you're right. a mentally sound person would not be able to murder in cold blood. he carefully planned this, even had a manifesto written out. and it's weird to see people idolize so much, specifically leftists, since his views were anything but leftist.

 

but putting all that aside, I agree with your last point. Users in this thread laughed at me for suggesting he could have dedicated himself to healthcare reform in other ways besides murder, and saying murder was the only way. well you're opening up a pandora's box now, since if the left condones violence, then the right will continue to condone it as well. and each side will just be trying to shoot their enemies in a downward spiral. it's not a path you want to take and it's honestly scaring me that so many people (at least online and in this thread) think this is their only option at this point. this is how young people become radicalized. and if you think radicalization only happens to young conservative men, you're in for a rude awakening.

Are you not Canadian, like me? For your whole life you've never had to worry about paying for health care. It doesn't even register in your mind. Think about how it would feel to be afraid that if you fall down in the street and break your ankle, or get diagnosed with a disease, you would not be able to afford the care you received. Americans have tried every other way to get medicare for all and have been systematically shut down every time, are you really surprised someone would become radical about it?

Edited December 12 by Capris Groove

[Da Vinci]

19 minutes ago, Bloo said:

You realize America's freedom was founded on vigilante justice, right? You realize slavery was ended only after the bloodiest war in America's history was fought, right?

 

It is an outright lie to suggest that violence never works when America was literally founded as its own country on a violent revolution. I don't condone violence. I'm a pacifist and a humanitarian. Killing is bad. That goes without saying. However, I am not just talking about killings committed with a gun. I am also talking about killings by denying people healthcare, housing, food, and clothing. Cutting off the food supply in Gaza to let the Palestinian people starve to death is murder. Denying life-saving medical treatment because it's bad for profit is murder. I am interested in addressing all of that. If you are only worried about killings done by a regular person with a gun, then you're not equipped to talk about this, frankly.

 

Why are people like you so hyper-fixated on the isolated killing of a healthcare CEO rather than the ongoing killings committed by people like him to this very day? He's not the only one; other healthcare CEOs are making decisions to increase their profit by denying people life-saving treatment. That, too, is a form of murder (i.e., "social murder"). Why is the conversation of violence so slanted in favor of people with money and power rather than to the powerless? Why is mainstream media expressing so much more anger and outrage over the death of a single healthcare CEO as opposed to the estimated 200,000 dead Palestinians in Gaza since October 7th?

 

Again, I'm a humanitarian. I oppose violence and death. But, the knee-jerk reaction to obsessively speak against the violence committed against one person who was responsible for mass social murder rather than the continued violence by others like him (i.e., other healthcare CEOs and the industry as a whole) is the epitome of missing the point. There is a broader conversation that is relevant and necessary. Crying about the CEO is not important. Thinking about how to reduce mass social murder is important. Given both major political parties take insane amounts of money from these same industries, we cannot rely on conventional modes of change like voting to get out of this age-old problem. My mom is 70 years old. When talking about this issue, she told me she's heard the same promises about improving healthcare all her life and it's never happened.

 

There is a reason for that. It is not because people aren't giving speeches. It is not because people are not going into politics. It is because there is an entire profit-driven industry that has rigged the game against regular people. That industry needs a reckoning and it, predictably, has led to the killing of a health insurance CEO. Had we had universal healthcare before, then this CEO would still be alive. But violence is often the language of the unheard.

 

So, I'm going to say to you the something similar to what I said to the anti-BLM voices besmirching Black protestors for not being entirely peaceful following George Floyd's: if you are deeply concerned about the wellbeing and safety of health insurance CEOs, then you should be supporting universal healthcare.

Would love for this post to be pinned

[Da Vinci]

However I do agree that the hunt for his nudes is very weird and icky

[Pikachoo]

24 minutes ago, Bloo said:

You realize America's freedom was founded on vigilante justice, right? You realize slavery was ended only after the bloodiest war in America's history was fought, right?

 

It is an outright lie to suggest that violence never works when America was literally founded as its own country on a violent revolution. I don't condone violence. I'm a pacifist and a humanitarian. Killing is bad. That goes without saying. However, I am not just talking about killings committed with a gun. I am also talking about killings by denying people healthcare, housing, food, and clothing. Cutting off the food supply in Gaza to let the Palestinian people starve to death is murder. Denying life-saving medical treatment because it's bad for profit is murder. I am interested in addressing all of that. If you are only worried about killings done by a regular person with a gun, then you're not equipped to talk about this, frankly.

 

Why are people like you so hyper-fixated on the isolated killing of a healthcare CEO rather than the ongoing killings committed by people like him to this very day? He's not the only one; other healthcare CEOs are making decisions to increase their profit by denying people life-saving treatment. That, too, is a form of murder (i.e., "social murder"). Why is the conversation of violence so slanted in favor of people with money and power rather than to the powerless? Why is mainstream media expressing so much more anger and outrage over the death of a single healthcare CEO as opposed to the estimated 200,000 dead Palestinians in Gaza since October 7th?

 

Again, I'm a humanitarian. I oppose violence and death. But, the knee-jerk reaction to obsessively speak against the violence committed against one person who was responsible for mass social murder rather than the continued violence by others like him (i.e., other healthcare CEOs and the industry as a whole) is the epitome of missing the point. There is a broader conversation that is relevant and necessary. Crying about the CEO is not important. Thinking about how to reduce mass social murder is important. Given both major political parties take insane amounts of money from these same industries, we cannot rely on conventional modes of change like voting to get out of this age-old problem. My mom is 70 years old. When talking about this issue, she told me she's heard the same promises about improving healthcare all her life and it's never happened.

 

There is a reason for that. It is not because people aren't giving speeches. It is not because people are not going into politics. It is because there is an entire profit-driven industry that has rigged the game against regular people. That industry needs a reckoning and it, predictably, has led to the killing of a health insurance CEO. Had we had universal healthcare before, then this CEO would still be alive. But violence is often the language of the unheard.

 

So, I'm going to say to you the something similar to what I said to the anti-BLM voices besmirching Black protestors for not being entirely peaceful following George Floyd's: if you are deeply concerned about the wellbeing and safety of health insurance CEOs, then you should be supporting universal healthcare.

 Bloo, I am Canadian. I am 100% in favor of universal healthcare. Healthcare is a human right and even though Canada has its problems, I would not trade my healthcare for anything. Why do you think I am against it?

 

Yes, people are angry. Yes, the shooter himself was angry. I'd be pissed off too that health is treated as a commodity in the US. And I don't condone his actions but I 100% understand it.  But I can equally be concerned about the dangerous path vigilante justice can lead to and the people who are idolizing him.

Edited December 12 by Pikachoo

[Bloo]

5 minutes ago, Capris Groove said:

Are you not Canadian, like me? For your whole life you've never had to worry about paying for health care. It doesn't even register in your mind. Think about how it would feel to be afraid that if you fall down in the street and break your ankle, or get diagnosed with a disease, you would not be able to afford the care you received. Americans have tried every other way to get medicare for all and have been systematically shut down every time, are you really surprised someone would become radical about it?

Not to focus on personal anecdotes, but I'm a fairly healthy person—low cholesterol, good blood pressure, etc. But, in college I randomly had a seizure out of nowhere. I would continue to have them once every 5-6 months until my neurologists were able to find a medication dosage that worked to keep my brain happy. However, in that time, I would have beg any roommates I had that if I have a seizure to just let me seize unless my head was busted open or something. Why? Well, the ER is just too damn expensive. I recently had a seizure towards the start of this year (because I wasn't able to get my medication, but I'll excise those details for brevity). But, this seizure happened while I was at work. I didn't take any serious injuries at all. I passed out, no head injuries, but I did convulse and my co-workers panicked and called 911. I came to on a stretcher being escorted out of my workplace and put into an ambulance. There is a hospital 1 block from my workplace. Despite that proximity to healthcare and my health insurance, my ER visit cost $3000 that I had to pay out of pocket after my insurance coverage. An ER visit for a seizure is just having you rest, giving you an over-the-counter medication for headaches, asking about your history, and giving you your prescription if you're out. That's it. Nothing super complicated, but it still cost an inordinate amount of money.

 

Again, I'm a fairly healthy person (*knocks on wood*) and I still fear the idea of going to a hospital. It is very easy to become radicalized on healthcare in America. I've heard stories where people are charged $1000 for simply waiting in an ER room before leaving to get care elsewhere because the wait was too long. The system is so broken that it should surprise no one that people cannot extend empathy to an architect of a system that has nothing but apathy for them and the lives of their loved ones.

[Bloo]

8 minutes ago, Pikachoo said:

But I can equally be concerned about the dangerous path vigilante justice can lead to and the people who are idolizing him.

Again, slavery was ended because of the "dangerous path vigilante justice can lead to" which led to our bloodiest war. Evidently, talking things out does not always lead to change. In fact, it's more rare that words alone get the job done.

[Pikachoo]

10 minutes ago, Capris Groove said:

Are you not Canadian, like me? For your whole life you've never had to worry about paying for health care. It doesn't even register in your mind. Think about how it would feel to be afraid that if you fall down in the street and break your ankle, or get diagnosed with a disease, you would not be able to afford the care you received. Americans have tried every other way to get medicare for all and have been systematically shut down every time, are you really surprised someone would become radical about it?

I am. You're right, I've never had to worry about. My mom was recently diagnosed with breast cancer. her first thought was "When do I start chemo?" not "will insurance pay for my chemo"?. I wish Americans could also have universal healthcare.

 

I also understand the shooter's anger. I'd be angry as hell too. But I don't know why this needs to be such a binary decision. I can think health insurance companies are evil and also think murder is evil.

[Cain]

1 hour ago, Pikachoo said:

you're right. a mentally sound person would not be able to murder in cold blood.

A mentally sound person would look at the state of the world and take action, because lord knows none of the people in power are

[Pikachoo]

1 minute ago, Bloo said:

Again, slavery was ended because of the "dangerous path vigilante justice can lead to" which led to our bloodiest war. Evidently, talking things out does not always lead to change. In fact, it's more rare that words alone get the job done.

but how can you be so sure violence will lead to positive change? yes, the civil war ended slavery, but political violence also caused two world wars. you just don't know

[Cesar]

3 minutes ago, Pikachoo said:

but how can you be so sure violence will lead to positive change? yes, the civil war ended slavery, but political violence also caused two world wars. you just don't know

How can you be so sure that violence will lead to negative change? Life isn't just black and white, there are shades of gray. Whether you see the glass as half full or half empty, it is up to you 

[Bloo]

11 minutes ago, Pikachoo said:

but how can you be so sure violence will lead to positive change? yes, the civil war ended slavery, but political violence also caused two world wars. you just don't know

I don't. But, I do know that doing nothing is only going to lead us to continued mass social murder and genocides all over the world—as well as climate collapse and countless other problems.

[MattieB]

55 minutes ago, Bloo said:

You realize America's freedom was founded on vigilante justice, right? You realize slavery was ended only after the bloodiest war in America's history was fought, right?

 

It is an outright lie to suggest that violence never works when America was literally founded as its own country on a violent revolution. I don't condone violence. I'm a pacifist and a humanitarian. Killing is bad. That goes without saying. However, I am not just talking about killings committed with a gun. I am also talking about killings by denying people healthcare, housing, food, and clothing. Cutting off the food supply in Gaza to let the Palestinian people starve to death is murder. Denying life-saving medical treatment because it's bad for profit is murder. I am interested in addressing all of that. If you are only worried about killings done by a regular person with a gun, then you're not equipped to talk about this, frankly.

 

Why are people like you so hyper-fixated on the isolated killing of a healthcare CEO rather than the ongoing killings committed by people like him to this very day? He's not the only one; other healthcare CEOs are making decisions to increase their profit by denying people life-saving treatment. That, too, is a form of murder (i.e., "social murder"). Why is the conversation of violence so slanted in favor of people with money and power rather than to the powerless? Why is mainstream media expressing so much more anger and outrage over the death of a single healthcare CEO as opposed to the estimated 200,000 dead Palestinians in Gaza since October 7th?

 

Again, I'm a humanitarian. I oppose violence and death. But, the knee-jerk reaction to obsessively speak against the violence committed against one person who was responsible for mass social murder rather than the continued violence by others like him (i.e., other healthcare CEOs and the industry as a whole) is the epitome of missing the point. There is a broader conversation that is relevant and necessary. Crying about the CEO is not important. Thinking about how to reduce mass social murder is important. Given both major political parties take insane amounts of money from these same industries, we cannot rely on conventional modes of change like voting to get out of this age-old problem. My mom is 70 years old. When talking about this issue, she told me she's heard the same promises about improving healthcare all her life and it's never happened.

 

There is a reason for that. It is not because people aren't giving speeches. It is not because people are not going into politics. It is because there is an entire profit-driven industry that has rigged the game against regular people. That industry needs a reckoning and it, predictably, has led to the killing of a health insurance CEO. Had we had universal healthcare before, then this CEO would still be alive. But violence is often the language of the unheard.

 

So, I'm going to say to you the something similar to what I said to the anti-BLM voices besmirching Black protestors for not being entirely peaceful following George Floyd's: if you are deeply concerned about the wellbeing and safety of health insurance CEOs, then you should be supporting universal healthcare.

WHACK them one more time for me

 

America is the bloodiest country on earth

[MattieB]

Hope he's fine today. Cops could be waiting to assault him

[MattieB]

19 minutes ago, Pikachoo said:

but how can you be so sure violence will lead to positive change? yes, the civil war ended slavery, but political violence also caused two world wars. you just don't know

Honestly how old are you people here