South Korea is on the brink of collapse. What went wrong?

[Antisocialites]

misandry does not actually exist btw. it's for sure a concept but in reality there's no society in which men are culturally, socially, politically or financially discriminated in favor of women.

Edited 21 hours ago by Antisocialites

[Blade Runner]

Feminism. 

 

Kidding, just men as usual being the worst creatures ever. 

[BOOMBAYAH]

South Korea has like 50 different major issues and they all feed into the other and make them worse. 

[Rep2000]

Seriously, we can point at *any* social issues in South Korea to explain its mess. The toxic working culture which is completely unsustainable, the capitalism pressure when Korea's mega corporations effectively run its society, the antiquated sexism culture, how escalated prices make everyone suffer and still not be able to afford a comfortable life, the corruptions, etc. etc. etc.

Literally anything that is not working, and yet there would be people in this very thread try to blame it on WAAAHMEN/"extreme feminism". Because for the 1st time in history, women have the rights and the economic power to choose what to do with their life. And the only thing they chose, is not to **** with incels.

It says more about you if you think feminism is to blame for today's society. The declining birth rate happens to literally any country going through an economic and social developing, where social standards are raised and become much more expensive to raise a kid properly. NOT because women refuse to be back to the last century or whatever your shitty 'women want to be tradwife' biases are.

 

I swear to gods, ATRL incel gays truly have no idea how ******* expensive to raise *ONE* child in modern society today. So of course, nobody - who are not ******* upper class - wants to have children (plural)!

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[rivers]

1 hour ago, l3disko said:

It's not comparable due to biological differences.

 

Women are the bringers of life and have a limited amount of time to be able to do it, unlike men who have the capability of starting large families in their 40s/50/s/60s/etc.

 

If women are busy spending their 20s preparing to be corporate slaves, and by the time they reach their 30s their fertility starts to decline/pregancy issues begin OF COURSE theres going to be much less births and you have situations where populations are collapsing.

 

You might not like it, but it's simple biology.

Of course we don't like it, biology or not. That's why we aren't having kids with scum like you. None of what you say matters if men continue to subjugate women. Maybe think for a second why a woman would prefer work over a family?

[Jaguarqueef]

3 hours ago, Space Cowboy said:

SK has a fertility rate of 0.7 , the lowest in the world. A country needs a fertility rate of 2.1 to ensure replacement. In 50 years, they could lose 70% of their population.

They cannot import immigrants because they're xenophobic and racist. They're also homophobic.

 

Women and Men in SK hate each other. Men are becoming incels, more conservative and hostile toward feminism, while women are growing more liberal and more of them refuse to date men.

 

SK has the highest suicide rates in the world, due to societal pressure and mental health stigma. SK societal pressure to meet high beauty standards has fueled a booming plastic surgery industry and unhealthy body image obsession causing a lot mental health problems.

 

Their work culture is terrible. They have long hours, extreme workplace stress, and overwork culture. 

 

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This is more of a personal story: When I was doing Erasmus, I had a Korean roommate who often shared with me how difficult her childhood had been. Her parents pressured her to focus solely on studying so she could get into a prestigious university.

 

She told me she had never been to a party in her entire life. After returning to South Korea, she told me that she was feeling sad and suicidal.

 

What went wrong? Will SK collapse eventually and/or become a failed state?

The whole peninsula is cursed from north to south..

 

what a miserable place to live.

[Pheromosa]

it's also a fairly young democracy

hopefully they get it together but the birth rates are damning

[Europe]

3 hours ago, Gorjesspazze9 said:

Capitalism as usual. But also I do agree that the Incel thing is becoming a major problem worldwide. People think it's just Andrew Tate suburban teen glazers, but nah there is a literal movement happening. A lot of men online with reddit threads full of overt misogyny and racism. It's kinda crazy that grown men are behaving this way too. I've seen it first hand

It's not just men. Women are becoming far more radicalized too.

https://old.reddit.com/r/4bmovement/comments/1h2rjmu/who_needs_marriage_more/

https://old.reddit.com/r/4bmovement/comments/1h26079/the_y_chromosone_is_vanishing/

Just 2 examples. The comments are shockingly toxic & hateful.

 

We are lucky we are gay tbh

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[Alongoria13]

So glad I am gay tbh I keep seeing HiGh qUaLiTy WoMeN and AlPhA mAlEs plastered all over social media makes me wanna jump off a cliff.

[MattieB]

4 hours ago, GentleEarthquake said:

END THREAD

[MattieB]

4 hours ago, Space Cowboy said:

SK has a fertility rate of 0.7 , the lowest in the world. A country needs a fertility rate of 2.1 to ensure replacement. In 50 years, they could lose 70% of their population.

They cannot import immigrants because they're xenophobic and racist. They're also homophobic.

 

Women and Men in SK hate each other. Men are becoming incels, more conservative and hostile toward feminism, while women are growing more liberal and more of them refuse to date men.

 

SK has the highest suicide rates in the world, due to societal pressure and mental health stigma. SK societal pressure to meet high beauty standards has fueled a booming plastic surgery industry and unhealthy body image obsession causing a lot mental health problems.

 

Their work culture is terrible. They have long hours, extreme workplace stress, and overwork culture. 

 

  Reveal hidden contents

This is more of a personal story: When I was doing Erasmus, I had a Korean roommate who often shared with me how difficult her childhood had been. Her parents pressured her to focus solely on studying so she could get into a prestigious university.

 

She told me she had never been to a party in her entire life. After returning to South Korea, she told me that she was feeling sad and suicidal.

 

What went wrong? Will SK collapse eventually and/or become a failed state?

Its funny to me that they'd rather cease to exist than NOT be racist 

[MattieB]

I haven't seen them the same since this

 

 

 

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[Starshine]

Samsung's impact

[Illyboy]

2 hours ago, NewStanner said:

The fact that it's almost 2025 and people still don't know that the definition of feminism is to give women the same rights as men, not "all men bad!!!"

I mean, I haven't seen the Feminist™ parties in my country campaign for issues that affect men (or maybe the media hasn't shown me that part of their program if it exists) so it's kind of hard to tell mysandry and feminism appart when mainstream feminists movements have been hijacked by the Patriachy/Corruption and get extremized to the point of misandry. If there was a leftist party in my country that wasn't corrupt and "true feminist" I'd vote them but alas... there's the party that knew one of their members was a sexual assaulter (Sumar/Íñigo Errejón) yet chose to keep it secret until a woman reported him to the police and the other party (Podemos/Irene Montero) is so incompetent that a reform of the Sexual Assault law they made ended up lowering the jailtimes of over a thousand convicts (despite actual judges and lawmakers warning them before they published the law but they didn't want to listen)... 

But it's okay because "yass girlboss! a female president!!" I don't care what the gender/ethnicity/sexuality of my politicians are just give me someone who knows to make laws without ******* them up and upright to not end up doing 46372 corruption schemes...

 

Back to OT: I think feminism in the book (feminist theory) is all correct but in practice they have failed to "liberate" men from patriarchy and many of them flocked to the anti-feminist side because they were tricked by them as they were left vulnerable by the ways patriarchy has to control men and these andrew tate-kind scammers took advantage of these desperate men and boys. I think Trent is spewing mostly bullshit but he does lowkey have a point that radfems are indeed mysandrist the issue is the tradfems are a VERY small minority but propaganda makes it look like the entire feminist movement is like them (and that's something Trent failed to see, the people he's defending are not any better than those "radical feminists" he's criticising).

 

Idk much abt South Korea's situation and tbh I thought this thread would be about today's failed coup attempt (look it up its so bad it's comical) but from the little I've gathered it seems men have radicalized to a point they're unsalvageable. I just hope that feminists in the west can come up with ways to bring back men before it's too late.

[Illyboy]

2 hours ago, Anthinos said:

Sorry but the problem is 100% men. We live in a time where some men commit terrorist attacks because they hate women so much. Men in general have a fascism problem that is not talked about enough. Men should start to reflect on themselves and not constantly look for the problems in women, minorities etc. It feels like everyone is to blame but not them.

Not saying I disagree with you but isn't this what Trent is also doing?? Blaming it all on the "other side".

Mind you there's male activists who try to preach feminism and anti-patriarchy and there's also women leading those fascist movements (Marine Le Pen and Giorgia Meloni for example). It's not that simple (fortunately, if truly 100% of men were radicalized incels we would truly be cooked).

[Archetype]

24 minutes ago, Illyboy said:

Not saying I disagree with you but isn't this what Trent is also doing?? Blaming it all on the "other side".

Mind you there's male activists who try to preach feminism and anti-patriarchy and there's also women leading those fascist movements (Marine Le Pen and Giorgia Meloni for example). It's not that simple (fortunately, if truly 100% of men were radicalized incels we would truly be cooked).

Also look at the chart that was shared on one of the prior pages.  If the poll is to be trusted, a majority of SK women don't even properly identify as feminist, it's just that they would rather have a career and enter the professional workforce than become a mother in their 20's.  This is normal in most developed nations, but the real issue is that SK companies have horrible work-life balance, pay women significantly less, and do not give them nor fathers adequate parental leave.

 

Korean men are frustrated because less women want a traditional Korean life, and they don't know how to deal with that.  They have become vindictive of women in general because more working women = less women who want to have a child (due to horrible work-life balance).  It's not that women don't want to start families eventually, it's that they do not feel like they *can*.  The solution is very clear and obvious, but that requires a large culture shift in a country that is essentially controlled by corporations.

Edited 19 hours ago by Archetype

[Illyboy]

1 hour ago, Rep2000 said:

The declining birth rate happens to literally any country going through an economic and social developing, where social standards are raised and become much more expensive to raise a kid properly. NOT because of women refuse to be back to the last century or whatever your shitty 'women want to be tradwife' biases are.

This >>>>

 

It is a historical phenomenon related to economic (and this quality of living) development. Even right now in Africa the most developed areas (capital cities mostly) have lower birth rater than surrounding rural areas.

The issue is not "women don't want to breed with men" it's "having a child is so ******* expensive in this economy even people who want one cannot afford it and current capitalism (whatever you call it, the one where the rich keep getting richer because of legal exploits and lobbyism) is to blame"

[Khris]

1 hour ago, Jaguarqueef said:

The whole peninsula is cursed from north to south..

 

what a miserable place to live.

[Illyboy]

2 minutes ago, Archetype said:

Also look at the chart that was shared on one of the prior pages.  If the poll is to be trusted, a majority of SK women don't even properly identify as feminist, it's just that they would rather have a career and enter the professional workforce than become a mother in their 20's.  This is normal in most developed nations, but the real issue is that SK companies have horrible work-life balance, pay women significantly less, and do not give them nor fathers adequate parental leave.

True. I guess I forgot thiswas about South Korea and extrapolated it to Europe.

3 minutes ago, Archetype said:

Korean men are frustrated because less women want a traditional Korean life, and they don't know how to deal with that.  They have become vindictive of women in general because more working women = less women who want to have a child (due to horrible work-life balance).  It's not that women don't want to start families eventually, it's that they do not feel like they *can*.

That's where the manosphere swoops in promising them the Garden of Eden where all their power fantasies come true if you pay for their masterclasses. That obviously doesn'tfix anything other than make them more sexist and ideologically radicalized (because going deeper in the rabbithole means more profit for these scammers) and in the end Patriarchy wins because society is divided fighting itself instead of united fighting the elites.

[Space Cowboy]

1 minute ago, Illyboy said:

What about men who get sexually assaulted and don't want to report it because they think the police won't believe them or that their peers will ridicule them? What about the domestic abuse from women to men and men to menfhat doesn't get talked about ever 

Isn't it largely men themselves who created the system that discourages them from expressing emotions, viewing vulnerability as weakness?

 

When a man is sexually assaulted, one of the common reactions from other men tends to be dismissive or even celebratory, with remarks like, "I wish that were me" or "How lucky." 
 

Domestic abuse against men, whether from women or other men, is similarly ignored due to these biases created and perpetuated by men.

[Archetype]

3 minutes ago, Illyboy said:

True. I guess I forgot thiswas about South Korea and extrapolated it to Europe.

That's where the manosphere swoops in promising them the Garden of Eden where all their power fantasies come true if you pay for their masterclasses. That obviously doesn'tfix anything other than make them more sexist and ideologically radicalized (because going deeper in the rabbithole means more profit for these scammers) and in the end Patriarchy wins because society is divided fighting itself instead of united fighting the elites.

Yep, exactly.  It's really "The Korean people vs Samsung" because for things to change to benefit any Korean who wants to start a family but can't, it requires corporations to give up some of their power and profit to the people.  The government isn't going to do this unless corporations agree to changing the work culture.

[NoOneDiesFromLove]

4 hours ago, l3disko said:

Honestly? Feminism.

 

Population decline due to women spending their fertile years preparing to become corporate slaves and being told its empowering.

 

vs before, relationships and building families was more of a priority in women in their early 20s.

The fact that there are people who think this way is insane to me… 

[roso]

32 minutes ago, Illyboy said:

Back to OT: I think feminism in the book (feminist theory) is all correct but in practice they have failed to "liberate" men from patriarchy and many of them flocked to the anti-feminist side because they were tricked by them as they were left vulnerable by the ways patriarchy has to control men and these andrew tate-kind scammers took advantage of these desperate men and boys.

What do you mean men were "tricked by them"? Do you think incels are people who once rallied behind women but decided it wasn't inclusive enough? Feminism aims to liberate everyone, but not everyone wants to be liberated, especially people who benefit from inherent privileges (men).

 

42 minutes ago, Illyboy said:

I think Trent is spewing mostly bullshit but he does lowkey have a point that radfems are indeed mysandrist the issue is the tradfems are a VERY small minority but propaganda makes it look like the entire feminist movement is like them

You should look into this

 

26 minutes ago, Illyboy said:

It's almost as in theory feminism is perfect but in practice feminists have only wanted to apply the parts that benefit them, leaving men behind (failing to convince them to join and not showing sympathy for them like in your post

It's almost as if men are whining because women won't act like their moms for everything anymore.

[Illyboy]

35 minutes ago, Space Cowboy said:

Isn't it largely men themselves who created the system that discourages them from expressing emotions, viewing vulnerability as weakness?

Men as whole? No? It's the elites who do it to keep the general populace oppressed and under control. Men have been brainwashed into it by the elites/Patriarchy. A random slave worker in Thebes or an indentured servant at a Spanish Hacienda would have not have the time to bother creating such rules, rather they just followed them because it's what they were taught would be beat for them, or else.

 

35 minutes ago, Space Cowboy said:

When a man is sexually assaulted, one of the common reactions from other men tends to be dismissive or even celebratory, with remarks like, "I wish that were me" or "How lucky." 

Because they are thinking with their dick rather than with their head. If they were a schoolboy manipulated into sex by a teacher (power imbalance) they might feel "good" at the start because for a male teen getting laid is the most rad thjng ever but as soon as they grow older and mature they realized whag was done to them and the scars would start to shoe. People who write those comments lack the empathy to understand that and are part of the problem.

35 minutes ago, Space Cowboy said:

Domestic abuse against men, whether from women or other men, is similarly ignored due to these biases created and perpetuated by men.

My country has been ruled by a leftist so-called feminist government since 2019, I have yet to see them change the domestic abuse laws to account for men and same-sex couples. Perpetuated only by men??? Are you sure about that? Maybe just maybe some of these feminist women see that the patriarchy treats them as more valuable (can procreate? idk why) and vulnerable and want to have it all by having the perks of feminism while clinging on to the little "privileges" patriarchy gave them? (though fortunatel they're less and less nowadays as women also go to war and can do whatever job they want even if it's a "dangerous job reserved for men")

Edited 19 hours ago by Illyboy

[Illyboy]

4 minutes ago, roso said:

You should look into this

Skimmed over the introduction and it seems I conflated mysandry (anti-feminist sentiment) with the patriarchal oppression faced by men, my bad.