South Korea is on the brink of collapse. What went wrong?

[Archetype]

19 minutes ago, l3disko said:

It's not comparable due to biological differences.

 

Women are the bringers of life and have a limited amount of time to be able to do it, unlike men who have the capability of starting large families in their 40s/50/s/60s/etc.

 

If women are busy spending their 20s preparing to be corporate slaves, and by the time they reach their 30s their fertility starts to decline/pregancy issues begin OF COURSE theres going to be much less births and you have situations where populations are collapsing.

 

You might not like it, but it's simple biology.

Biology is unavoidable, but why on earth does SK make it so impossible for women to work and have children?  If women have to choose between a successful career and having a child, society has failed women. 
 

More so, SK (and Japan) have extremely toxic work cultures and virtually zero work-life balance.  This not only fails women as I stated above, but it fails men who want to be good fathers as well.  
 

This instilled norms in Korean culture where women need to abandon their own careers and everything they've worked for to become mothers for most of their lives, and men continue to be corporate slaves.  
 

As a counterpoint, in Europe and even in North America, there is much more emphasis put on family time and parental leave, so both mothers and fathers can spend more time with their children and still keep their jobs.  

[roso]

2 minutes ago, Trent W said:

Extreme feminism is the generalization of putting all men into the same box

 

In the last few months I've seen almost all my straight friend fall one by one into these type of influencers and its sad

 

If you are told you are trash every single day you gonna easily find relatable the counter part.

So 'extreme feminism' is women calling out men who rape or assault them?

 

Men are not told they're trash every single day, but they listen to people (right-wing influencers) who act as if women go around screaming that.

[Just a Gay on ATRL]

14 minutes ago, Trent W said:

Extreme feminism is the generalization of putting all men into the same box

 

In the last few months I've seen almost all my straight friend fall one by one into these type of influencers and its sad

 

If you are told you are trash every single day you gonna easily find relatable the counter part.

Maybe men should actually listen to WHY they're being criticized rather than immediately going to the extreme "well, they think I'm trash, so I'm no longer going to listen and make it my purpose in life to join the opposition that says women are to blame for all of my issues". But I guess that is asking too much of men, hence why women are more and more abandoning hope they will ever change. Women have tried to explain their concerns to men, but men have not returned the favor, hence the increased hostility. Women have put up with so much from men for ages, but when women put some heat on them back, suddenly society is on the brink of collapse and they have temper tantrums. The culprit keeps pointing back to men.

 

The incels are just taking advantage of men being unable to handle any criticism and telling them what they want to hear so that they make profit and feed their egos. We should be calling out the Rogans, Musks and Tates for the scam opportunists that they are.

[polygon]

SK is a military dictatorship backed by the US **** you mean "wrong"

[Brooklyn Baby]

40 minutes ago, Khal said:

In all of this, props to the women of SK for actually sticking with the 4B movement, I legit do not see any other demographic in any other country being capable of pulling this off with how male centred everyone is.

The 4B movement is not as big as westerners think it is tbh. I've been told by many friends living there that it's very obscure. Western media is overstating its impact there

[Trent W]

Just now, Rep2000 said:

You literally just describe the tradwife culture , and yet you complain to us about "extreme feminism".

Also, you really need to talk to more actual women. And not the online ones, because holy ****.

Most women irl are not chronically online

 

Im talking about the propaganda spread and dating scene

The internet is what is spreading this toxic agendas

 

 

 

 

[Headlock]

1 hour ago, Trent W said:

It's the radicalization of right wing incels and feminism 

These are not the same thing in the slightest, women not being forced to be birthing slaves is not a negative 

[Trent W]

3 minutes ago, Just a Gay on ATRL said:

Maybe men should actually listen to WHY they're being criticized rather than immediately going to the extreme "well, they think I'm trash, so I'm no longer going to listen and make it my purpose in life to join the opposition that says women are to blame for all of my issues". But I guess that is asking too much of men, hence why women are more and more abandoning hope they will ever change. Women have tried to explain their concerns to men, but men have not returned the favor, hence the increased hostility. Women have put up with so much from men for ages, but when women put some heat on them back, suddenly society is on the brink of collapse and they have temper tantrums. The culprit keeps pointing back to men.

 

The incels are just taking advantage of men being unable to handle any criticism and telling them what they want to hear so that they make profit and feed their egos. We should be calling out the Rogans, Musks and Tates for the scam opportunists that they are.

I agree with a lot of what you are saying

 

But the generalization is still stupid

 

Putting everyone in the same box is the main problem

 

If we don't stop generalizing 

 

Incels and extreme feminists will still get their population bigger

[Trent W]

7 minutes ago, roso said:

So 'extreme feminism' is women calling out men who rape or assault them?

 

Men are not told they're trash every single day, but they listen to people (right-wing influencers) who act as if women go around screaming that.

On the Internet you can easily find by opening any social media a woman complaining about all men, its being like that for years

 

If there wasn't, there would be no trigger to go to Andrew tate for content 

[Headlock]

18 minutes ago, Trent W said:

Extreme feminism is the generalization of putting all men into the same box

 

In the last few months I've seen almost all my straight friend fall one by one into these type of influencers and its sad

 

If you are told you are trash every single day you gonna easily find relatable the counter part.

Dear god you are so out of your league here, you are not describing feminism, you are describing misandry. Those are not the same thing, and the fact that you are correlating the two is a direct result of the patriarchy attacking any form of feminism as being "anti-men." Feminism is about equality, not "women being better."

 

And the fact that you are choosing to BLAME WOMEN for men becoming misogynistic incels is a perfect example of this  Men are never held responsible for their actions, it's always a woman's fault.

[Headlock]

1 minute ago, Trent W said:

On the Internet you can easily find by opening any social media a woman complaining about all men, its being like that for years

 

If there wasn't, there would be no trigger to go to Andrew tate for content 

The fact that you are continously blaming the rise of Andrew Tate ON WOMEN is melting my brain 

[Trent W]

1 minute ago, Headlock said:

Dear god you are so out of your league here, you are not describing feminism, you are describing misandry. Those are not the same thing, and the fact that you are correlating the two is a direct result of the patriarchy attacking any form of feminism as being "anti-men." Feminism is about equality, not "women being better."

 

And the fact that you are choosing to BLAME WOMEN for men becoming misogynistic incels is a perfect example of this  Men are never held responsible for their actions, it's always a woman's fault.

Radical feminism is basically Misandry

 

Its people hating men under the feminist umbrella 

And im blaming the generalization not women

 

This forum is filled with a lot of gay men generalizing all men like they were their high school bully or homophobic father

 

It's trully all about stop putting an entire gender into the same box

 

 

 

[Rep2000]

1 minute ago, Headlock said:

The fact that you are continously blaming the rise of Andrew Tate ON WOMEN is melting my brain 

"Trent" can't even tell the difference between tradwife culture and "extreme feminism". What else can you expect? Issa wall.

[Carla Rosón]

8 minutes ago, Trent W said:

I agree with a lot of what you are saying

 

But the generalization is still stupid

 

Putting everyone in the same box is the main problem

 

If we don't stop generalizing 

 

Incels and extreme feminists will still get their population bigger

oh you are not very bright are you

[Cloudy]

That user my god. Talk about brainrot

[roso]

7 minutes ago, Trent W said:

Putting everyone in the same box is the main problem

Again, no. Patriarchy and its spawns are the problem. Feminism is a response to that, and offers an answer for everyone.

 

2 minutes ago, Trent W said:

Its people hating men under the feminist umbrella 

Even if that was true (which it's not), how is that even remotely comparable to misogyny? Women complain about men whereas men rape or kill women.

[Trent W]

6 minutes ago, Headlock said:

The fact that you are continously blaming the rise of Andrew Tate ON WOMEN is melting my brain 

You are just not capable of separating an entire gender 

 

Do you honestly realize all people under the same gender don't think the same?

 

[NewStanner]

The fact that it's almost 2025 and people still don't know that the definition of feminism is to give women the same rights as men, not "all men bad!!!"

[PrettyHurts]

Idk but their performance is looking very shaky which is a worrying sign 

[HANZ94]

Just like Japan and Taiwan they have an advanced country full of technology but a mindset that belongs to 1 or 2 centuries ago

they are so patriarcal, conservative and toxic that Makes it impossible to have a happy And joyful life 

I remember I Used to dream about moving to Japan and living there thinking it was just like the Animes

now I realized all the freedom and happiness that we have in the west compared to them 

[Trent W]

1 minute ago, NewStanner said:

The fact that it's almost 2025 and people still don't know that the definition of feminism is to give women the same rights as men, not "all men bad!!!"

The fact that some of you are incapable to think there are some toxic women spreading BS under that term  

[KOMH]

So we have incel scum on ATRL too. How lovely.

[Anthinos]

Sorry but the problem is 100% men. We live in a time where some men commit terrorist attacks because they hate women so much. Men in general have a fascism problem that is not talked about enough. Men should start to reflect on themselves and not constantly look for the problems in women, minorities etc. It feels like everyone is to blame but not them.

And women shouldn't have to choose between family and career. Both should be possible. The posters here who come with their tradwife bs can f*ck off. Every woman should choose a career and money and therefore freedom over a "traditional" life. A completely logical decision. The misogynistic culture needs an update and should adapt to women and not the other way around.

I have heard that some women decide to have a child without a man and remain a single parent. I imagine this is very difficult but I can understand any woman who stays away from men who form their world view from Tate, Joe Rogan and Jordan Peterson.

[BTS]

I think RM from BTS said it best

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In the West, people just don't get it. Korea is a country that has been invaded, razed to the ground, torn in two. Just 70 years ago, there was nothing. We were getting aid from the IMF and the UN. But now, the whole world is looking at Korea. How is that possible? How did that happen? Well, because people try so ******* hard to better themselves. You are in France or the UK, countries that have been colonizing others for centuries, and you come to me with, "oh God, you put so much pressure on yourselves; life in Korea is so stressful!" Well, yes. That's how you get things done. And it's part of what makes K-pop so appealing, although, of course, there's a dark side. Anything that happens too fast and too intensely has side effects.

Although in the bigger picture. Working under such pressure eventually burnt out the population. It's unsustainable to continue growth at the rate SK has been for 70 years. 

[KOMH]

1 hour ago, l3disko said:

Honestly? Feminism.

 

Population decline due to women spending their fertile years preparing to become corporate slaves and being told its empowering.

 

vs before, relationships and building families was more of a priority in women in their early 20s.

Not surprised you're in here spewing incel'd misogynist claptrap. Women do not owe men anything. Especially not in South Korea. The demanding work culture in the country offers fewer benefits and lower wages to women than to men.