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[AMIT]

On 12/3/2024 at 11:49 AM, Space Cowboy said:

the real problem isn't capitalism or communism, it's human greed and selfishness. Capitalism often leads to exploitation in the name of profit, while communism almost always turns into authoritarianism under the guise of "equality".

 

Any system fails when power and self-interest take over, and that's just human nature 

Capitalism is definitely the problem. I can't believe we still talk about the URSS (and this goes for any other so-called ''communist'' state, past or current) as if was indeed a ''communist'' state like  They might have even thought that they were but luckily in the present we have the benefit of hindsight view and can actually see things in a different, broader perspective. They still had a state, just like the other countries did back then and still do now, which is the actual problem. You cannot have the state without the capitalist system or vice-versa, they are essential to one another. You cannot use the state to ''govern for the people'' because the state's purpose is inherently to create class division and maintain it that way. ''Greediness'' and ''selfishness'' are just terms used to misguide people and hide the truth.

 

Capitalism is authoritarian and hierarchical by nature. If there is wealth concentration then there will be poverty alongside it, that's just how it works. It's basically one huge global pyramid scheme. Money is a zero-sum game. You having more of it means other people having less of it. It doesn't ''often'' leads to exploitation, it always does that without fail because it is inherent to how it funcions.

 

There is no profit without exploitation and there is no capitalism without the profit motive so there is no capitalism without exploitation, period. 

 

The state is authoritarian by nature. It says: I am the best way to do things and there is no alternative. Every state, past or present, operates like this with no exceptions. 

[Space Cowboy]

19 minutes ago, AMIT said:

Capitalism is definitely the problem. I can't believe we still talk about the URSS (and this goes for any other so-called ''communist'' state, past or current) as if was indeed a ''communist'' state like  They might have even thought that they were but luckily in the present we have the benefit of hindsight view and can actually see things in a different, broader perspective. They still had a state, just like the other countries did back then and still do now, which is the actual problem. You cannot have the state without the capitalist system or vice-versa, they are essential to one another. You cannot use the state to ''govern for the people'' because the state's purpose is inherently to create class division and maintain it that way. ''Greediness'' and ''selfishness'' are just terms used to misguide people and hide the truth.

 

Capitalism is authoritarian and hierarchical by nature. If there is wealth concentration then there will be poverty alongside it, that's just how it works. It's basically one huge global pyramid scheme. Money is a zero-sum game. You having more of it means other people having less of it. It doesn't ''often'' leads to exploitation, it always does that without fail because it is inherent to how it funcions.

 

There is no profit without exploitation and there is no capitalism without the profit motive so there is no capitalism without exploitation, period. 

 

The state is authoritarian by nature. It says: I am the best way to do things and there is no alternative. Every state, past or present, operates like this with no exceptions. 

You're evading the core issue: any system, capitalist, socialist, communist, etc fails when people in power act out of self-interest. No system can fully prevent greed or the drive for control, and history proves that even the best ideas can be twisted by those looking to benefit themselves.
 

Capitalism is far from perfect: it has problems like inequality, exploitation, and greed. But it's also brought innovation, better living standards, and opportunities other systems haven't matched.
 

I think we should try to focus on fixing its flaws with better rules, fairness, and accountability. Capitalism might not be the best system, but it's the one we have and it's not going to change