HonourableVomit Posted November 30, 2024 Posted November 30, 2024 (edited) can somebody please explain to me how the Famous video is "Revenge porn" when it's a whole bunch of wax models and the video is clearly critical of the viewer rather than the people depicted? whine about the dumb lyrics of the song all you want but the video has a very clear point that isn't to sexualise the resemblances in it I personally don't like it but it's a significantly impactful cultural moment and artistic statement Edited November 30, 2024 by HonourableVomit 1 6
MattieB Posted November 30, 2024 Posted November 30, 2024 #BillboardIsOverParty the same billboard ya'll use for bragging rights? 1
amamoy Posted November 30, 2024 Posted November 30, 2024 7 hours ago, HonourableVomit said: can somebody please explain to me how the Famous video is "Revenge porn" when it's a whole bunch of wax models and the video is clearly critical of the viewer rather than the people depicted? whine about the dumb lyrics of the song all you want but the video has a very clear point that isn't to sexualise the resemblances in it I personally don't like it but it's a significantly impactful cultural moment and artistic statement It's a life-like model of Taylor's nude body, done without her consent and shown with a guy rapping 'I made this ***** famous' over it. As somebody said earlier in the thread, generating a naked AI picture of a person without their permission would be kinda similar in 'revenge porn' context. It feels rapey, undressing someone through an image, flaunting it publicly with derogatory comments over it, all the while not showing any concern for the person's feelings about the whole thing. Like... As a woman I can feel the ICK 5
loveisdead9582 Posted December 2, 2024 Posted December 2, 2024 On 11/30/2024 at 7:42 AM, HonourableVomit said: can somebody please explain to me how the Famous video is "Revenge porn" when it's a whole bunch of wax models and the video is clearly critical of the viewer rather than the people depicted? whine about the dumb lyrics of the song all you want but the video has a very clear point that isn't to sexualise the resemblances in it I personally don't like it but it's a significantly impactful cultural moment and artistic statement Because Taylor had no knowledge that her likeness was going to be used that way and she had no idea what the actual lyrics were going to be for the song. I can't remember all of the circumstances exactly but I'm pretty sure that after Taylor spoke out against the lyrics the video was released? Which kind of just doubled down on why she had a problem with it. The whole hate train that Taylor had around the reputation era stemmed from the lies that Taylor had known all along about the lyrics and given her permission (which was later revealed to be a lie). Idk why they would include pictures of a wax figure done in her likeness (nude no less) from another artists video when it was public knowledge that she did not approve of it. Also, can you please explain how the video which included someone's likeness without their knowledge or consent in a way that common sense would clearly dictate that Taylor would not have approved of is a 'significantly impactful cultural moment' or 'artistic statement'? 1
HonourableVomit Posted December 2, 2024 Posted December 2, 2024 8 hours ago, loveisdead9582 said: Because Taylor had no knowledge that her likeness was going to be used that way and she had no idea what the actual lyrics were going to be for the song. Idk why they would include pictures of a wax figure done in her likeness (nude no less) from another artists video when it was public knowledge that she did not approve of it. Also, can you please explain how the video which included someone's likeness without their knowledge or consent in a way that common sense would clearly dictate that Taylor would not have approved of is a 'significantly impactful cultural moment' or 'artistic statement'? On 12/1/2024 at 7:02 AM, amamoy said: It's a life-like model of Taylor's nude body, done without her consent and shown with a guy rapping 'I made this ***** famous' over it. As somebody said earlier in the thread, generating a naked AI picture of a person without their permission would be kinda similar in 'revenge porn' context. It feels rapey, undressing someone through an image, flaunting it publicly with derogatory comments over it, all the while not showing any concern for the person's feelings about the whole thing. Like... As a woman I can feel the ICK yeah great but that's not what revenge porn is. He didn't expose something that Taylor sent him in private for example, that's not her body. It's a gross thing to do to someone without their agreement but it's not illegal to make a likeness of someone, whether as a painting, sculpture or otherwise. She's not even the only one in the video, and independent of the lyric it's not meant to demean, is he "raping" donald trump and ray J in this instance? the video is a recreation of a famous painting which is about people with overt differences sharing the same human vulnerability at their core - which Kanye's video uses fame as an example of. It's also a critical view of the audience not the subjects. It's about the perverse willingness to watch some wax models of a bunch of famous performers do nothing but lie there. Like hanging meat in a butcher's window, they're not even alive but people will tune in. He chose Taylor and the other people there to be provocative, but it's no comment on them as people nor does it sexualise them in any way. If anything it's shot like a horror movie. Kanye even wakes up at the end in protest of the whole idea of being a helpless victim of fame 1
loveisdead9582 Posted December 2, 2024 Posted December 2, 2024 6 hours ago, HonourableVomit said: yeah great but that's not what revenge porn is. He didn't expose something that Taylor sent him in private for example, that's not her body. It's a gross thing to do to someone without their agreement but it's not illegal to make a likeness of someone, whether as a painting, sculpture or otherwise. She's not even the only one in the video, and independent of the lyric it's not meant to demean, is he "raping" donald trump and ray J in this instance? the video is a recreation of a famous painting which is about people with overt differences sharing the same human vulnerability at their core - which Kanye's video uses fame as an example of. It's also a critical view of the audience not the subjects. It's about the perverse willingness to watch some wax models of a bunch of famous performers do nothing but lie there. Like hanging meat in a butcher's window, they're not even alive but people will tune in. He chose Taylor and the other people there to be provocative, but it's no comment on them as people nor does it sexualise them in any way. If anything it's shot like a horror movie. Kanye even wakes up at the end in protest of the whole idea of being a helpless victim of fame He was deliberately deceitful when they spoke over the phone and omitted key parts of the lyric. Obviously he wasnt "raping" ray j or trump, but those choices were also very intentional as Kanye had spoken about running against Trump and Ray J was Kim's ex and iirc had made some comments about Kanye on Twitter or something. Ray J also wasn't even relevant at the time this was made so it was very much people he had problems with. These choices were people he had issues with. It's not revenge "porn" specifically but he did something with every intention of embarrassing these individuals. If he truly wanted to make this a storyline that was actually believable then he would have used people he wasn't feuding with and then acted like a virtuous individual in the end while protesting it.
amamoy Posted December 2, 2024 Posted December 2, 2024 10 hours ago, HonourableVomit said: yeah great but that's not what revenge porn is. He didn't expose something that Taylor sent him in private for example, that's not her body. It's a gross thing to do to someone without their agreement but it's not illegal to make a likeness of someone, whether as a painting, sculpture or otherwise. She's not even the only one in the video, and independent of the lyric it's not meant to demean, is he "raping" donald trump and ray J in this instance? the video is a recreation of a famous painting which is about people with overt differences sharing the same human vulnerability at their core - which Kanye's video uses fame as an example of. It's also a critical view of the audience not the subjects. It's about the perverse willingness to watch some wax models of a bunch of famous performers do nothing but lie there. Like hanging meat in a butcher's window, they're not even alive but people will tune in. He chose Taylor and the other people there to be provocative, but it's no comment on them as people nor does it sexualise them in any way. If anything it's shot like a horror movie. Kanye even wakes up at the end in protest of the whole idea of being a helpless victim of fame I don't understand what point you're trying to make exactly. That the terminology of calling it 'revenge porn' is inappropriate? That it's unfair to criticise Kanye's actions in this case because artistic merit can be seen in his work, and we shouldn't apply ethical considerations to art? Something different?
kyoshi Posted December 4, 2024 Posted December 4, 2024 (edited) On 11/29/2024 at 1:06 PM, Fitzswiftie said: How is doing a full career retrospective and bringing up topics relevant to their lives and music sexiest and disrespectful? Billboard brought up things the bad things - including literal crimes (guns charges, drug selling, murder, domestic violence, multiple arrests, nazi sympathising, alleged pdf-file) for Wayne, Jay Z, Eminem, Bieber, Kanye and Drake as well? is that sexiest & disrespectful too? Beyonce's article and podcast next week is likely doing to mention the DC infighting and Jay's infidelity too. How are you comparing SEXUAL HARASSMENT AND DOMESTIC VIOLENCE against women with gun and drugs charges.... if anything those men were the perpetrators NOT the victims of THEIR wrongful acts. Taylor, rihanna, ariana were on the receiving end of evil acts that got NOTHING to do with them or do you think they asked to be sexual harassed or beaten to pulp or to bomb her fans in the middle of a concert? Stop revictimizing victims in the name of doing rigged "full career retrospectives" Edited December 4, 2024 by kyoshi
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