UhOh Posted November 27 Posted November 27 (edited) 21 hours ago, Uncatena said: God I HATE a ***** who makes marginalization a competition. If you don't care about indigenous folks just ******* say so. I don't hate anyone for anything, maybe that's why a word doesn't trigger me it really is such a blessing to be able bodied enough and physically so well that one can find the time to police a word and harass others on Beyoncé's internet over it... kimtherespeoplethataredying.gif Also how self-aggrandizing to think you're doing something for the indigenous people because you get mad at a very basic word. It's just my opinion but videos like these always come across as narcissistic all so someone can martyrize themselves in front of an audience, and those that align with it can feel good that they can suck their own dicks. EDIT: and the irony is not lost on me that you chastise the use of the word "eskimo" but use the word "******" since you're all about equal marginalization.. why don't you go ahead and log out for me bb Edited November 27 by UhOh
WeFoundWill Posted November 27 Posted November 27 "I didn't even know that was a slur" and? pretty embarrassing for you I guess, I'd consider that common knowledge. 1 3 1
Venice B Posted November 27 Posted November 27 I had no idea this was considered a slur, I thought it was a word to describe people who lived in cold places or something 1
WeFoundWill Posted November 27 Posted November 27 17 hours ago, gettsleazy said: The left continuing to politicize **** like this over the real real concerns of homelessness, housing, food shortages, etc. is exactly why Trump won the election. continuing to not be able to differentiate, categorize and realize that different social concerns of different calibers can be part of a discourse at the same time for most humans with a decent sized brain is the reason why the left has never and will never f*ck with liberals. 2
Vixen Eyes Posted November 27 Posted November 27 Wait Eskimo is a slur? When were we gonna be told? Isn't that the name for the natives in Alaska/colder areas? 1
gettsleazy Posted November 27 Posted November 27 Just now, WeFoundWill said: continuing to not be able to differentiate, categorize and realize that different social concerns of different calibers can be part of a discourse at the same time for most humans with a decent sized brain is the reason why the left has never and will never f*ck with liberals. Right, keep up this attitude. I'm sure it will get you and the twitter leftists super far 1 3
lillavend3r Posted November 27 Posted November 27 He always does this don't know why he's never been held accountable 1
Pendulum Posted November 27 Posted November 27 The guy from the first video is giving narcissistic because I'm SURE he doesn't know anything about Inuit culture and/or cannot pinpoint where the Inuit actually live. It's probably something he read on the Internet the other day. I would rather have actual Inuit influencers like Shina Nova come out and say "hey, that's not okay"
Uncatena Posted November 27 Posted November 27 25 minutes ago, UhOh said: I don't hate anyone for anything, maybe that's why a word doesn't trigger me it really is such a blessing to be able bodied enough and physically so well that one can find the time to police a word and harass others on Beyoncé's internet over it... kimtherespeoplethataredying.gif Also how self-aggrandizing to think you're doing something for the indigenous people because you get mad at a very basic word. It's just my opinion but videos like these always come across as narcissistic all so someone can martyrize themselves in front of an audience, and those that align with it can feel good that they can suck their own dicks. EDIT: and the irony is not lost on me that you chastise the use of the word "eskimo" but use the word "******" since you're all about equal marginalization.. why don't you go ahead and log out for me bb its not about you, so who the **** cares that it doesn't trigger you when it's offensive to a large enough group of people that have been demanding the removal of the word from day-to-day language. and thank you for assuming that I'm not disabled when in fact, I am. but assumptions are healthy in discourse like this, right? it's not about "policing", its about decency and respecting that wishes of marginalised communities. yes, there are people who are dying and thankfully, I have enough brain capacity to care for them, as well as this. there will always be a bigger issue, no matter what we're talking about, how is that helping the conversation? again, i'm getting mad at the usage of the word because indigenous people have told me to be. again, I personally like to listen to the marginalised groups I advocate for. its your rightful opinion to think thats its "narcissistic" or whatever, but I was quoting sources that prove that indigenous folks do not like this word, since many in the thread were confused/unaware. that is called "furthering the discussion", which none of your posts have done. I wasn't chastising anyone, I was simply supplying outside sources from the communities affected. and you're right, I shouldn't really use that word and that's on me to be better at, but equalising that to simply not caring and then going on absolutely useless tangents like this, which the only goal of is to... defend the use of the word (I guess? seriously, what is the point of this other than to call me out because you were offended) is insincere at least. your profile picture really is fitting. 2
Uncatena Posted November 27 Posted November 27 1 minute ago, Pendulum said: The guy from the first video is giving narcissistic because I'm SURE he doesn't know anything about Inuit culture and/or cannot pinpoint where the Inuit actually live. It's probably something he read on the Internet the other day. I would rather have actual Inuit influencers like Shina Nova come out and say "hey, that's not okay" great, here she is doing exactly that, calling it a slur. 4
UhOh Posted November 27 Posted November 27 1 hour ago, Uncatena said: its not about you, so who the **** cares that it doesn't trigger you when it's offensive to a large enough group of people that have been demanding the removal of the word from day-to-day language. and thank you for assuming that I'm not disabled when in fact, I am. but assumptions are healthy in discourse like this, right? it's not about "policing", its about decency and respecting that wishes of marginalised communities. yes, there are people who are dying and thankfully, I have enough brain capacity to care for them, as well as this. there will always be a bigger issue, no matter what we're talking about, how is that helping the conversation? again, i'm getting mad at the usage of the word because indigenous people have told me to be. again, I personally like to listen to the marginalised groups I advocate for. its your rightful opinion to think thats its "narcissistic" or whatever, but I was quoting sources that prove that indigenous folks do not like this word, since many in the thread were confused/unaware. that is called "furthering the discussion", which none of your posts have done. I wasn't chastising anyone, I was simply supplying outside sources from the communities affected. and you're right, I shouldn't really use that word and that's on me to be better at, but equalising that to simply not caring and then going on absolutely useless tangents like this, which the only goal of is to... defend the use of the word (I guess? seriously, what is the point of this other than to call me out because you were offended) is insincere at least. your profile picture really is fitting. My issue isn't so much with defending the use of the word, but more so defending someone (in this case Kendrick and users like myself) who wouldn't know it's become considered an offensive word, which is exactly the same point you made at the start of this thread that I agree with. You've shared sources for use of the word being offensive, but in the same breath you've been the aggressor to many users in here with responses like "just say you don't care," or "it's not my job to educate you." Sure, that might be how you feel, but you are not personally addressed, so what are you trying to accomplish in responding this way, besides instigating another response so you can get on a soap box and call someone racist, xenophobic, or uneducated. My point was, two things can be true at the same time: the word "eskimo" can be offensive, and another more severe case a racism can be occurring. Can we care about both? Of course. But even though it's not a competition, we don't live in a perfect world and it feels like the former pulls attention from the latter. I don't have a solution for it, because it obviously isn't "who cares," so I apologize if I came off that way. It just feels like this keeps happening, where more random things are being considered offensive and it causes this massive discourse that stands to divide the left even more.
Uncatena Posted November 27 Posted November 27 4 minutes ago, UhOh said: My issue isn't so much with defending the use of the word, but more so defending someone (in this case Kendrick and users like myself) who wouldn't know it's become considered an offensive word, which is exactly the same point you made at the start of this thread that I agree with. You've shared sources for use of the word being offensive, but in the same breath you've been the aggressor to many users in here with responses like "just say you don't care," or "it's not my job to educate you." Sure, that might be how you feel, but you are not personally addressed, so what are you trying to accomplish in responding this way, besides instigating another response so you can get on a soap box and call someone racist, xenophobic, or uneducated. My point was, two things can be true at the same time: the word "eskimo" can be offensive, and another more severe case a racism can be occurring. Can we care about both? Of course. But even though it's not a competition, we don't live in a perfect world and it feels like the former pulls attention from the latter. I don't have a solution for it, because it obviously isn't "who cares," so I apologize if I came off that way. It just feels like this keeps happening, where more random things are being considered offensive and it causes this massive discourse that stands to divide the left even more. I see. i'm confused though, because as you pointed out, me and other users explained in this thread why its considered an offensive word by the communities affected, so why should I entertain and/or respect the notion of people being pissy and disrespectful about it afterwards. i'm not going to assume you don't read the thread, and if I learned that a word that I didn't know was a slur is considered one, I would do research before posting. my first instinct wouldn't be to post "omg who cares" or in your case, claiming that its a "manufactured issue" by over-privileged people. if you read what I and others have posted and/or did research as one should, i'm going to assume "you don't care" if you post something demeaning or downplaying about it afterwards. never did I say "its not my job to educated you" and neither did I use the words "racist, xenophobic or uneducated"; what i'm trying to accomplish is calling people out on their complicit and disrespectful behaviour. I never insinuated or claimed that "more severe cases of racism" aren't occurring or that I and/or others don't care about them. but this happens to be the topic of the thread which I'm replying to. imagine if my or someone else's reply to this thread was "well, what about people of colour?"; do you see how absurd that reads? as @WeFoundWill has put it extremely well: "not being able to differentiate, categorise and realise that different social concerns of different calibers can be part of a discourse at the same time" is worrying and telling. yes, more "random things" (jfc) are being "considered offensive" because we are finally having conversations that are centuries overdue, because the climate has changed and I personally am thankful for every opportunity to learn more about how to treat other people with dignity. the left not being able to organise isn't the fault of Inuit folks wanting respect. 2
StayFrosty Posted November 27 Posted November 27 14 hours ago, Uncatena said: its not my job to convince you of being a decent person, and if you don't care about indigenous voices you can just say so. This isn't the place to feel self-righteous by spewing lies and nonsense; you can go to Twitter for that. Now lemme go order an ESKIMO roll from my favorite Sushi place. 3
WaterDiamonds Posted November 27 Posted November 27 If i had a penny for everytime kendrick said an offensive slur agaisnt marginalized minorities in one of his recent albums i'd only have two pennies, but it's weird that happened twice 1
Suilen Posted November 28 Posted November 28 Regardless of the users' ignorance of the word (I'm not even a native English speaker, and I've been aware of its offensive nature for ages, even a popular American English dictionary describes it as offensive), I find it hard to believe that Kendrick doesn't know that. Language is his bread and butter, every word is there for a reason (though I personally can't figure out how it fits into the context). Being socially conscious is a part of his brand, and while he primarily focuses on his community, taking digs at other marginalized communities isn't the way. The thing about this situation is that the majority of the affected people (the Inuit) won't know about the slur drop compared to the queer community, which was immediately impacted by Auntie Diaries due to their involvement in the culture, so it's up to activists to spread awareness. I see some potential harm in the fact that some people will hear the word and think that it's still fine to use because they trust artists/influencers more than they trust academia.
SchmoodRing Posted November 29 Posted November 29 On 11/27/2024 at 5:44 PM, WaterDiamonds said: If i had a penny for everytime kendrick said an offensive slur agaisnt marginalized minorities in one of his recent albums i'd only have two pennies, but it's weird that happened twice And he's gonna get away with it since he dragged Drake and the gp is on his side smfh
TiaTamera Posted November 29 Posted November 29 I learned that the "E" word is a racist way to describe Inuits. It's not something that all indigenous folks will get offended by because it doesn't apply to them. On 11/25/2024 at 11:16 PM, X~MoviePoP said: Tbh, i didnt even know this. I swear this word is in the history books and was used by historians? Was it always never welcomed by natives or is it only recently The N word (all varying forms) was also used in history books and by historians. It's like a nonblack person calling a Black person a "negro". It sounds weird and outdated. Us Black people call each other negros but we do it jokingly. 3
IsidoraMarí Posted December 2 Posted December 2 On 11/26/2024 at 3:13 AM, Lethal said: I'm a Cherokee Native American and I don't find this offensive. Love his new album! People reaching as usual. If you're white sit this and your faux virtue signaling outrage out. Idk, the western Native Americans in the USA dislike the term Indian but the Upstate New York/Canadian indians use the term Indian for themselves still. Just because you who are not inuit find it non insulting doesn't mean that the Inuits who do find it insulting don't deserve the platform for arguing against it's use. 1
IsidoraMarí Posted December 2 Posted December 2 On 11/27/2024 at 1:24 PM, Vixen Eyes said: Wait Eskimo is a slur? When were we gonna be told? Isn't that the name for the natives in Alaska/colder areas? They are called the Inuits and they have always been vocal about not being called the E-word. Plus the E-word Kiss and the way other cultures do it is completely different than what they actually do. They press their noses against their loved ones cheek and wiggle it around and not the E-word kiss of people rubbing their noses together. 1
BTS Posted December 2 Posted December 2 On 11/26/2024 at 8:34 PM, ChooseyLover said: This reminds me of the "gypsy" term. In the anglosphere, at least online, I see it's been considered offensive but here in my country there are groups who self identify as that. It's true that some use it in a derogatory and racist way but anything can be used with that intention, right? It's a bit confusing. Guess I'll avoid using that word too. Not really, as the E word is a straight up slur while Gypsy has duel meanings, like how Mammy in Ireland to refer to mothers but is a slur for black maids in America. Or f** means a cigarette in Ireland/UK but is also a slur for LGBT people. 2 1
ChooseyLover Posted December 2 Posted December 2 9 minutes ago, BTS said: Not really, as the E word is a straight up slur while Gypsy has duel meanings, like how Mammy in Ireland to refer to mothers but is a slur for black maids in America. Or f** means a cigarette in Ireland/UK but is also a slur for LGBT people. Thanks for the clarification! I was wondering because like many other users I've heard it in songs and other media, even at school. 1
swissman Posted December 2 Posted December 2 On 11/26/2024 at 6:28 AM, Blue. said: Since when is Eskimo a slur like you are making **** up at this point Duno about "slur" status but it definitely is NOT the preferential nor accurate term for the people it is meant to describe and this has been brought up for a long while. As such, using it is a form of either disregard or ignorance. People are not just making things up simply for the fact that you have not heard about it.
Vixen Eyes Posted December 2 Posted December 2 31 minutes ago, BTS said: Not really, as the E word is a straight up slur while Gypsy has duel meanings, like how Mammy in Ireland to refer to mothers but is a slur for black maids in America. Or f** means a cigarette in Ireland/UK but is also a slur for LGBT people. I didn't know about E but I always knew about F's duel meaning. Gypsy was a new one for me though. I never heard it being used as a slur outside of a Disney movie lol
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