Update: Sanders calls on leftists to run indy if Dems don't oust AIPAC from primaries

[Beyonnaise]

11 minutes ago, getBusy said:

I didn't say not to do it - in fact, i started by saying "unfortunately", which already tells you that i would support a new party. I'm stating a sad fact. 

you're right I didn't fully read "unfortunately" in your post before popping off a bit, drag me sis 

[Cesar]

8 minutes ago, midnightdawn said:

He needs to go away. He is the reason Trump won in 2016. No Bernie= No Trump.

ok boomer

[Cruel Summer]

10 minutes ago, midnightdawn said:

He needs to go away. He is the reason Trump won in 2016. No Bernie= No Trump.

This is the single most wrong reading of the 2016 election possible.

[NEX]

Omg. When he wrote that first email following the election I wrote to my friend saying I think Bernie is planning a new party based on the "stay tuned" ending of that email. If this is true I need a cookie 

[Uncatena]

I know he is one of the more acceptable old white men but I'm so damn tired of these raisins. It's time for fresh, new voices.

[Harrier]

America needs an end to the rigid two party system, so this would be good in the long run.

But id be lying if I said I thought it would go well in the immediate future. It probably would result in complete Republican takeover due to divisions in the left vote. And the campaign against this new party in corporate media would be bruising.

So accelerarionism here yall come ig. Might as well while Trump is president 

[RihRihGirrrl]

No thank you. I'm not for THIS Republican party staying in power for the foreseeable future and that is exactly what will happen if the Dem party is split in 2.

 

I am however in favor of the progressive wing of the Dem party taking over and setting the party's agenda.

[If U Seek Amy]

This is giving 2020 when Trump lost and Republicans swore they were going to split up MAGA and the traditional conservative parties and the party was in disarray and nothing came from it

[Superbitch]

How old is he?

[Bloo]

The Democratic Party has to go. It's a conservative, center-right party that is not interested in improving the lives of working class people. I'm tired of the hopeless, generic pessimism that we need to keep doing what keeps failing us. If Bernie wants to lend his brand to efforts to establish a competitive third party that is pro-worker, pro-justice, and economically populist that targets income inequality as the root problem of so many of our problems, sign me up.

 

I am skeptical of Bernie's furor to pull this off. He is a bit reluctant to lead such a visceral fight. But, if he could just lend his brand to the next generation of leaders to do it, that would be amazing. I'm tuned in.

 

[Rep2000]

6 hours ago, Harrier said:

America needs an end to the rigid two party system, so this would be good in the long run.

But id be lying if I said I thought it would go well in the immediate future. It probably would result in complete Republican takeover due to divisions in the left vote. And the campaign against this new party in corporate media would be bruising.

So accelerarionism here yall come ig. Might as well while Trump is president 

Oh it's not gonna go well at all in the media for this party. But this is what should be happening if we ever want a healthier political lanscape.

The MAGAs have swallowed the GOP whole, so there's no point to move even centre-right. We need a legit left party (which is not led by a spoiler candidate who only does politics once every 4 years). I believe the worker voters would show up for this party and at least motivate Dems to compete with more progressive platforms. 

 

This is a healthy step to move forward. 

 

Edit: also, you know accelerationists are pure Russian psyops, right? Only stupid idiots think "only MY (leftist) ideology would survive out of a political apocalypse".

Edited November 24 by Rep2000

[constantinople]

Finally a truly left-wing party in the US?

[AMIT]

A new party is not a good solution. It has been tried a million times and it never worked, and never will. The state/government is NOT meant to work for the common folk. We've seen how so-called progressives ended up when trying to work within the system's bounds, they either become powerless or sell themselves to higher powers inside their parties. Please wake up already. 

[nadiamendell]

We need an outsider to come in and take over the democratic party the way Trump has done the republican party. It's the only way forward. If Bernie had been younger and wasn't so scared of stepping on toes in 2016 and 2020, we would have had that. Sadly, that didn't happen. 

[Distantconstellation]

On 11/23/2024 at 4:55 PM, Colmillo said:

Isn't he like a 100 years old almost? There needs to be a young and hot candidate, sorry to the old men!!

Hes 83 and this isn't a circuit party. It's politics. He's not intending to be president hes looking for the next leaders. 

[Communion]

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Nichols: In your post-election email Saturday, you suggested that activists should explore backing at least some independent candidates—especially in red states where the Democratic brand looks to be a tough sell. You're not talking about creating a third-party, or creating a new political grouping, are you?

Sanders: Not right now, no. What I am saying is that, building off of Osborn's campaign, first of all, we need strong working-class candidates who are prepared to run on working-class issues. That's number one. Number two, where people can run in the Democratic primary and win, that's fine. Where it is more advantageous to run as an independent, outside of the Democratic primary process, we should do that, as well. At the end of the day, in a three-way race, it takes 35 percent of the vote to win. So, if you have a strong progressive candidate, running on economic issues, do I think that in certain circumstances that that candidate can defeat establishment Democrats and Republicans? The answer is, "yes."

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Nichols: You're comfortable with challenges that take on both parties?

Sanders: Absolutely.

Nichols: Even if there are people in the Democratic Party leadership, in the consultant class, who will not approve of that approach?

Sanders: Of course. The Democratic Party is, increasingly, a party dominated by billionaires, run by well-paid consultants whose ideology is to tinker around the edges of a grossly unjust and unfair oligarchic system. If we are ever going to bring about real change in this country, we have got to significantly grow class consciousness in America.

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Nichols: You ran your House and Senate campaigns as an independent. So, it is clearly possible, in at least certain circumstances, and in certain states, to change the political calculus.

Sanders: Absolutely. Yes, absolutely. My own history, as you'll recall, is that we have one seat in the US House in Vermont. In 1988, I ran for that seat. It was a three-way race, and I came in a close second behind a Republican. A third candidate, a Democrat, got 19 percent of the vote. The next time around, it turned out that the Democrat did not run and I won by 16 or so points.

I think you can [in many circumstances] do it in Democratic primaries. The very first demand has got to be to get super PACS—AIPAC [aligned groups] and other super PACS—out of Democratic primaries. And if the Democratic leadership is not prepared to do that, if it is not prepared to take steps to assure that billionaires do not dominate the Democratic primary process, you know where they are coming from. And that is not acceptable.