Russia declares six US missiles fired by Ukraine

[Magic_boXX]

This is concerning..

[Virgos Groove]

Honestly, I don't see this going anywhere, in either way. Long-range missiles won't be enough to change the outcome of the war. Best case scenario, it'll secure Ukraine a slightly better deal.

 

And Putin, as much as he saber-rattles and talks about "red lines", is unlikely to use nukes. China and India, two of Russia's biggest trading allies, have already warned him they will condemn that. Annexing territory through nukes would open up one hell of a Pandora's Box in the Pacific and it's not hard to understand why great powers want to keep it as closed as it can be.

 

Plus, if a single nuke falls over Ukrainian territory, Macron will blow Moscow to smithereens. You know that little French psycho wants to do it.

Edited November 20 by Virgos Groove

[Tropez]

Umm this isn't concerning. Ukraine had the capability to do that for a long time but was held back by the US who told them not to. Russia has been firing long-range missiles at Ukraine for months. 

[Illuminati]

Yeah this is nothing. Ukraine invaded Kursk and didn't get nuked. Russia continues to cut cables in the Baltic sea and it didn't trigger article 5 of nato.

 

By Russian law just the mere fact that the 4 annexed oblasts from Ukraine are still disputed warrants a nuclear attack. It's all scaremongering. 

 

 

Most people, especially those that have been pulling their hair out since the war started and blamed Europe/US, think that Russia has the upper hand in this war. And if so, they don't need to broaden the war, to nuke anyone, or change the status quo in any way.

 

Especially since Trump is taking over in a few months and appointing a bunch of Russian assets in the US government

Edited November 20 by Illuminati

[Blade Runner]

F*CK PUTIN. 

 

Watch stupid people defend that monster because they hate the US, lololol 

Edited November 20 by Blade Runner

[BrokenMachine]

I hope Americans are happy that their taxes are being used on this endless war 

Edited November 20 by BrokenMachine

[Rep2000]

1 hour ago, Tropez said:

Umm this isn't concerning. Ukraine had the capability to do that for a long time but was held back by the US who told them not to. Russia has been firing long-range missiles at Ukraine for months. 

Yeah, by using Iranian missiles and North Korean soldiers even. Russia is a ******* hypocrite bully who has no problem escalating on their side. But the moment Ukraine fights back to defend themselves, Russia makes a huge fuss out of it (exactly like a cry bully). 

[AvadaKedavra]

1 hour ago, Blade Runner said:

F*CK PUTIN. 

 

Watch stupid people defend that monster because they hate the US, lololol 

Drag em sis

[Princess Aurora]

7 hours ago, Virgos Groove said:

Honestly, I don't see this going anywhere, in either way. Long-range missiles won't be enough to change the outcome of the war. Best case scenario, it'll secure Ukraine a slightly better deal.

 

And Putin, as much as he saber-rattles and talks about "red lines", is unlikely to use nukes. China and India, two of Russia's biggest trading allies, have already warned him they will condemn that. Annexing territory through nukes would open up one hell of a Pandora's Box in the Pacific and it's not hard to understand why great powers want to keep it as closed as it can be.

 

Plus, if a single nuke falls over Ukrainian territory, Macron will blow Moscow to smithereens. You know that little French psycho wants to do it.

This. It's a lose-lose situation for Putinha 

[Vermouth]

8 hours ago, BrokenMachine said:

I hope Americans are happy that their taxes are being used on this endless war 

Well do you think Putin is going to stop when Trump throws the Ukraine under a bus? It'll be Georgia and Moldova next, and then he's really have his tail up. Those Baltics will be tempting, especially as the USA can't be relied on to defend anything, because it's got its head stuck up its own rear end at the moment.

 

It's scarily reminiscent of Hitler's playbook 1936-39, Rhineland, Saarland, Austria, Sudetenland, rump Czechoslovakia, Memel, then Poland (which after that run he didn't expect to be anything other than a nice easy domino not the trigger for WW2).

 

Of course if the idiotic moronic Republicans do throw Ukraine under a bus it would be the perfect excuse (and I wouldn't blame them)  for them to develop a small, quick and dirty nuke themselves to even things up. Why not, they gave up their nukes in 1993 in exchange for international security guarantees and look where that got them?

 

Or the US could of course actually develop a brain and keep

paying a few dollars to not send a democratic country of 45 million people to Siberia ( literally) because voters in sticksville flyover land don't have a clue frankly.

Edited November 20 by Vermouth

[Tropez]

14 hours ago, Vermouth said:

Well do you think Putin is going to stop when Trump throws the Ukraine under a bus? It'll be Georgia and Moldova next, and then he's really have his tail up. Those Baltics will be tempting, especially as the USA can't be relied on to defend anything, because it's got its head stuck up its own rear end at the moment.

 

It's scarily reminiscent of Hitler's playbook 1936-39, Rhineland, Saarland, Austria, Sudetenland, rump Czechoslovakia, Memel, then Poland (which after that run he didn't expect to be anything other than a nice easy domino not the trigger for WW2).

 

Of course if the idiotic moronic Republicans do throw Ukraine under a bus it would be the perfect excuse (and I wouldn't blame them)  for them to develop a small, quick and dirty nuke themselves to even things up. Why not, they gave up their nukes in 1993 in exchange for international security guarantees and look where that got them?

 

Or the US could of course actually develop a brain and keep

paying a few dollars to not send a democratic country of 45 million people to Siberia ( literally) because voters in sticksville flyover land don't have a clue frankly.

No. Europe needs to learn to take care of itself. It needs to follow the NATO rules and ensure military spending matches the required amount. 
 

The US leaving Europe is a good thing. The US is a warmongering state apart of the axis of evil. Many Europeans do not like Americans for a good reason. Why should Europeans die for the stupidity of an American? 

[Vermouth]

8 hours ago, Tropez said:

No. Europe needs to learn to take care of itself. It needs to follow the NATO rules and ensure military spending matches the required amount. 
 

The US leaving Europe is a good thing. The US is a warmongering state apart of the axis of evil. Many Europeans do not like Americans for a good reason. Why should Europeans die for the stupidity of an American? 

Fine. But it's not going to be in a healthy position to do that in the next year is it?

 

It actually means Europe spending a lot more on defence ( good) and, crucially, being willing to use it. There are far too many handwringing European countries who essentially never believe there are times, sadly, when force has to be used to defend your interests.  I mean look at the pathetic trail of disaster Germany's policy towards Putin has been over the past 20 years. Schroeder, ( who became chairman of Nordstream I think ffs!!), Merkel, and now the damp rag which is Scholz.  Chamberlains of the 21st century.

Edited November 21 by Vermouth

[Raphy23]

the news has been frightening lately. Hopefully it's nothing more than fearmongering. 

[Rep2000]

20 hours ago, Vermouth said:

Fine. But it's not going to be in a healthy position to do that in the next year is it?

 

It actually means Europe spending a lot more on defence ( good) and, crucially, being willing to use it. There are far too many handwringing European countries who essentially never believe there are times, sadly, when force has to be used to defend your interests.  I mean look at the pathetic trail of disaster Germany's policy towards Putin has been over the past 20 years. Schroeder, ( who became chairman of Nordstream I think ffs!!), Merkel, and now the damp rag which is Scholz.  Chamberlains of the 21st century.

This, historically, has never been a good thing. You gurls peddling isolationism from America are clearly clueless about what you guys are talking about.

[Vermouth]

3 hours ago, Rep2000 said:

This, historically, has never been a good thing. You gurls peddling isolationism from America are clearly clueless about what you guys are talking about.

That's the exact opposite of what I'm "peddling". If the USA retreats into its MAGA shell then in order to keep the Russians out Europe will end up spending more, because the alternative is learning to speak Russian. That will also have the side effect of decreasing US influence in Europe (and historically US influence has generally been for the good overall), because if the US isn't in the game why should Europe (and I include the U.K.) listen to the latest demented rantings from Washington?

 

My fear is a load of simplistic MAGA hill billies, who couldn't point to Ukraine on a map, or think Transdinistria needs bathroom legislation, think they're going to fix the war in 24hours using the threat of cutting off ammunition and arms to the Ukraine, and it'll all be fine.

 

Well that's not fixing, it's surrender; and surrender to an extremely nasty authoritarian regime where opponents magically fall out of windows on a repeated basis.  And once Putin, (and his  lovely mates like Kim Jong Un) has won he won't stop there, and it'll get even more expensive in blood and treasure to stop him. See the 1930's.

 

The MAGA crowd, in my view, seem to be treating this as an accountancy exercise, where peace at any price helps the bottom line, by putting downward pressure on gas prices in Boondocks Arkansas or wherever. Well that's knowing the price of everything and the value of nothing.