bad guy Posted Tuesday at 06:08 PM Posted Tuesday at 06:08 PM 3 minutes ago, Cyanide said: All our lives we are conditioned to believe that we're nothing without going to college, just to go and incur debt for a SLIGHT chance of getting an entry level position, and that's if the entry level jobs aren't asking for 10 years of experience out of college It's the biggest scam ever Not to mention most of the time the only option for high-paying jobs if you're non-college educated are jobs that require extreme manual labor, extreme hours, and are quite dangerous (fishing, mining, logging, military, machinery, etc.). The worst is when you have the degree and jobs are paying less than $20/month or not even 50k salary And these are multi-billion dollar companies slapping us in the face
Odette Violet Posted Tuesday at 06:18 PM Posted Tuesday at 06:18 PM I still considered myself as lucky as I have job. You'll get yours too, stay strong friend 3
brraap Posted Tuesday at 06:26 PM Author Posted Tuesday at 06:26 PM 23 minutes ago, Jotham said: The job search has been so frustrating right now. I don't even know which job search engines to use anymore. I feel like LinkedIn is full of fake jobs made by bots and Indeed doesn't recommend jobs I'm interested in. I've heard a lot about ghost job postings. Basically companies are paying people to post a bunch a day. That's what I think LinkedIn is full of. Roles that these companies do not intend on filling immediately, or even at all. They just use them to collect resumes, scope out talent or give them stats for internal purposes. Instead of addressing an actual hiring need. Also, actual recruiters don't look at resume's anymore. They use AI to scour through and pick the "best fits". Highly problematic. Governments should put laws in place because it really, really is getting out of hand. 1
king_queen Posted Tuesday at 06:35 PM Posted Tuesday at 06:35 PM The key is to get a sales job that doesn't have set hours while you're still looking for a job in your own field. That extra money has literally saved my life this year 2
brraap Posted Tuesday at 06:38 PM Author Posted Tuesday at 06:38 PM 47 minutes ago, bad guy said: I also just finished school about a year ago after changing my major three times because I was noticing the job market for each just get worse and worse I took a gap year right before the pandemic to try the whole networking thing for a job in entertainment (marketing/PR) while working full time at another job and then Covid hit so all that went away. Transferred to a different school with the same intention of pursuing something in that industry but on the arts side and quickly realized that the job market was scarce despite my school having decent connections. I didn't want to take the risk of having a useless degree and just minored in that and majored in a social science so that I can pursue law. But even law school applications want a resume with some sort of experience and finding just an internship at a firm has been nearly impossible. And the one that had set up an interview with me ghosted me. I drove past them one day saw a "FOR SALE" sign on their building so I guess no interview was needed anymore I have a few friends back home but I can't use them a connections for anything because they also can't find work, it's all just hustling. I do have one of my closest friends who will more than likely end up in the entertainment industry due to connections/talent and he's said he'd want me on a project but even his older sibling hasn't been able to find a job, so we'll see. Right now I work two jobs and do my writing on the side, and am just focusing on law school for next year. If I do well my first year I could have a good job at a firm lined up for me which can be six figures and that's enough for me to be comfortable. Plus there are pathways for me to do a myriad of things with that. It'll all depend on if I can afford it though Unfortunately AI is going to destroy any creative job that there is unless there are regulations in place. Animators are also getting steamrolled right now. Writers will be next. Then movies. Then music. These people at the top want to spend as little as possible to make as much profit as possible. They don't care about you, your talent, or even their own shitty work as long as AI gets it done and they make millions. It's already becoming so normalized. If I were you I would do freelance work while also finding another job to finance yourself. I'd say get your masters but if you're American you know how expensive that'll be. Hang in there THIS. You got it on the nose. I'll have to rely on contract work Good luck in law school bestie! At least that's a field that won't be disrupted and you'll get to read people to filth (and get paid)
John Slayne Posted Tuesday at 06:38 PM Posted Tuesday at 06:38 PM I really feel you but honestly with the way AI is going I don't think there is going to be that many graphic design jobs around, especially if you don't have significant experience. It sucks and I know AI can't do what you can, but most places won't see it that way. IMO the best thing you can do is retrain or find a job that is at least somewhat bearable for you and offer graphic design services as a freelancer. That way you can start building a portfolio and make connections in the industry that may translate into a stable job in the future. I know that's all easier said than done but from my impression the graphic design industry is very precarious... Once upon a time I wanted to be an academic but honestly academia is a terrible industry to work in if you're new so I don't think I will ever get around to it, you might come to a similar conclusion about graphic design. 1
Capris Groove Posted Tuesday at 06:53 PM Posted Tuesday at 06:53 PM All I can say is, I feel you sis. I have 10 years of experience as a senior in my field (investment banking), and still struggled to land a job last year. Sent hundreds of applications. Ran into things I didn't even know existed: ghost postings (where the job doesn't even exist the company is just collecting applicants' data), recruiters who ignore you, interviewers who don't show up, and the worst, going through multiple rounds of interviews and then never hearing back again. It's all bullshit. The truth is, corporate is very hesitant to hire right now. The pandemic, AI, and fears of a recession have them acting very conservatively. As others have said, it's not about what you know it's about who you know. Personally, I see this getting worse and think that corporate in general is slowly dying. Think about the world in 10 years. If you want to invest, are you going to go to a bank and talk to some sales rep? Of course not you're going to research it yourself. If you want a product, you're going to research it yourself. Consultants, PR, middle management, project management etc., these are going to decline. I wish you well in your search. 1 1
VVVVVV Posted Tuesday at 07:02 PM Posted Tuesday at 07:02 PM Well I am a graphic design student. I have been triying to finish an associate degree for around 7 years. Everytime, every year, everything became more and more complicated to me. I am final giving up to that i changing to another path. I am planning to go and do some technical/labor course. I really dont know but graphic design isnt my passion anymore, I have been both burned out from school and job industry. AI is the worst thing for us right now, and every design company have been using it right know, they all have giving it the green light. I was never talented at all to be a designer, my college isnt one of the best of my country neither. Graphic desing is so complicated and weird, and it is seem as easy at same time. My degree program got math subjests, I went to art (never got high skilled) because I wasnt good at math, I dont want to do coding or programming at all. I feel the career is kind of useless and flat now, I regret a little bit cause I though my overal experience was going to be different. Like i felt at that time that I was going to became good at it. Like I found my village or mission of life. I recommed you watching other areas.
Cottonmouth Posted Tuesday at 07:47 PM Posted Tuesday at 07:47 PM I just quit my job. You don't give me much hope in my search
Jotham Posted Tuesday at 07:56 PM Posted Tuesday at 07:56 PM 2 hours ago, Cyanide said: All our lives we are conditioned to believe that we're nothing without going to college, just to go and incur debt for a SLIGHT chance of getting an entry level position, and that's if the entry level jobs aren't asking for 10 years of experience out of college At this point, I'm considering trade school if the job market doesn't get better. I noticed that most of the people around my age who are financially stable or are happy with their lives ended up doing trade school. The problem for me is that it still seems like a huge time commitment and I don't even know which trades I'm interested in.
Archetype Posted Tuesday at 08:22 PM Posted Tuesday at 08:22 PM (edited) 3 hours ago, brraap said: I've heard UX is very picky with juniors. Like they want 2+ years experience but entry level is virtually non existent. I have some experience in UI it but didn't pursue it fully because it looks like that industry wants you to be able to do UX/UI plus coding. Hopefully it gets better. Good luck on your masters! Go all in on product design (UI/UX). Do absolutely everything you need to do to land just one product design role, even if it's contracting. Get your foot in the door, keep building your portfolio, and make sure you eventually have fully launched products in your portfolio, as that's the easiest way to break into design jobs with insane pay. You will be significantly better off in the long run from that career path with much higher pay, benefits, and a lot of job opportunities. And no, most product design roles do not ask for coding experience. It's considered a plus, but developers/engineers are responsible for that, not designers. Edited Tuesday at 08:26 PM by Archetype
poki Posted Tuesday at 10:40 PM Posted Tuesday at 10:40 PM From my experience in the last few weeks, Indeed also has a lot of fake jobs. Also, if you see the word "camaraderie" in a job post, it's 100000% AI. I don't know why but ChatGPT absolutely adores that word. 1
sh0ckw4ves Posted Tuesday at 11:24 PM Posted Tuesday at 11:24 PM After a recent job change, the biggest piece of advice I can give you is filtering and applying for jobs posted within the last 24 hours. There are so many applicants right now that recruiters aren't waiting for postings to close, every callback/interview/job offer I got was for jobs I applied for with a quick turnaround. (But obviously of those posted within the last 24 hours still pick ones within your field/that you'd like to do) 1
Namie-Knowles Posted yesterday at 12:19 AM Posted yesterday at 12:19 AM Yeah I'm in Advertising and Public Relations as well as Journalism. I know I have a lot of options but it's just so hard to find anything. I've been graduated for about two years at this point and have had to get regular minimum wage jobs just to get by. I don't know what I'm doing wrong that this point.
Capris Groove Posted yesterday at 07:55 AM Posted yesterday at 07:55 AM 11 hours ago, Jotham said: At this point, I'm considering trade school if the job market doesn't get better. I noticed that most of the people around my age who are financially stable or are happy with their lives ended up doing trade school. The problem for me is that it still seems like a huge time commitment and I don't even know which trades I'm interested in. Would becoming a Registered Massage Therapist interest you? It's healthcare which means helping people, so it tends to be very fulfilling work. People are always happy to see you and it's a low-stress career. It's a 'trade' but it's a more glamorous one without all the homophobia and sexism BS that you can encounter in a lot of trades. It's well paid, can't be automated, you set your own hours, and in high demand thanks to massages being covered in most people's work benefit plans. You can also learn advanced modalities and increase your rate that way, you can be a traveling massage therapist as well, meaning you bring your table to people's homes = minimal overhead, you keep the full hourly rate. Downside, it's hard on the body, but what job isn't? Sitting at a desk for 8 hours a day is terrible. If you learn proper body mechanics you'll be great. Lots of MTs massage well into their 60s. I think it's a great career.
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