Police chief advises Jews and homosexuals in parts of Berlin to be more cautious

[Communion]

53 minutes ago, Hex said:

Not disagreeing but is it not possible to just acknowledge that both native Germans and Muslims can be violently homophoic?

The attempt to link homophobia and antisemitism together is what makes it unserious and actually itself hurts efforts to solve either. 

 

Germans created the worst force of antisemitism in the world's history and even now find themselves brutalizing anti-war Jews for being against genocide. 

 

There is no credibility for the German people or state to exert authority over what is antisemitism. 

[Headlock]

56 minutes ago, Hex said:

Not disagreeing but is it not possible to just acknowledge that both native Germans and Muslims can be violently homophoic?

And yet you literally ignored the former and immediately jumped to the latter, which you also agree is the point of the police chief's statement:

 

1 hour ago, Hex said:

More and more arab people are moving there and they are notoriously anti-gay. I'm assuming that is what she is implying here.

It seems the dog whistles are reaching the correct people 

[Hex]

4 minutes ago, Headlock said:

And yet you literally ignored the former and immediately jumped to the latter, which you also agree is the point of the police chief's statement:

 

It seems the dog whistles are reaching the correct people 

My initial comment was not about white nazis (of which are by and large a bigger issue with their antisemitism and homophobia) because... that's not what the article is about  - the OP is about Arabs specifically which I was clarifying to the user who asked "I thought Germany was the gay capital of Europe" because it's indeed confusing what the article is implying (it doesn't mention Arabs til the middle of it). So I clarified that it is indeed implying that anti-gay Arabs is what is being talked about in the article.

[AMIT]

the police being trash? and now with brand new (as if) islamophobic/xenophobic dog whistles? say it ain't so...

[Headlock]

37 minutes ago, Hex said:

My initial comment was not about white nazis (of which are by and large a bigger issue with their antisemitism and homophobia) because... that's not what the article is about  - the OP is about Arabs specifically which I was clarifying to the user who asked "I thought Germany was the gay capital of Europe" because it's indeed confusing what the article is implying (it doesn't mention Arabs til the middle of it). So I clarified that it is indeed implying that anti-gay Arabs is what is being talked about in the article.

Nice attempt to backtrack but you didn't say "anti-gay Arabs", you said just said the rise in homophobia was due to Arab people moving there just in general, as "they are notoriously anti-gay." And if anything you are underscoring the nonsense of the article in the OP, as the boogeyman threat of homophobia from immigrants is irrelevant when speaking about the country of the birthplace of Nazism 

[Hex]

18 minutes ago, Headlock said:

Nice attempt to backtrack but you didn't say "anti-gay Arabs", you said just said the rise in homophobia was due to Arab people moving there just in general, as "they are notoriously anti-gay." And if anything you are underscoring the nonsense of the article in the OP, as the boogeyman threat of homophobia from immigrants is irrelevant when speaking about the country of the birthplace of Nazism 

I'm not backtracking, the article is claiming that gays are at risk due to a change in the area, that change being the sentiment of the Arab population - none of this is about MY personal opinion on if the article has an ulterior motive or not  Was simply clarifying what the article is saying. 

[ontherocks]

23 minutes ago, Headlock said:

Nice attempt to backtrack but you didn't say "anti-gay Arabs", you said just said the rise in homophobia was due to Arab people moving there just in general, as "they are notoriously anti-gay." And if anything you are underscoring the nonsense of the article in the OP, as the boogeyman threat of homophobia from immigrants is irrelevant when speaking about the country of the birthplace of Nazism 

Marxism was also born in Germany. Something some of y'all love dearly. 

[Headlock]

31 minutes ago, Hex said:

I'm not backtracking, the article is claiming that gays are at risk due to a change in the area, that change being the sentiment of the Arab population - none of this is about MY personal opinion on if the article has an ulterior motive or not  Was simply clarifying what the article is saying. 

Mhm yeah this is you... not giving your personal opinion:

3 hours ago, Hex said:

More and more arab people are moving there and they are notoriously anti-gay. I'm assuming that is what she is implying here.

Girl just hang it up, live in your prejudice, don't throw stones and then hide 

[Headlock]

29 minutes ago, ontherocks said:

Marxism was also born in Germany. Something some of y'all love dearly. 

Yes, it is clear the ever present danger the hateful and violent Marxist movement has in Germany towards minorities  Please be serious.

[Chemist]

Israel propaganda is spreading like the plague in the EU

 

Even the mayor of Amsterdam apologized for falling for it

 

 

[ontherocks]

59 minutes ago, Headlock said:

Yes, it is clear the ever present danger the hateful and violent Marxist movement has in Germany towards minorities  Please be serious.

That's not what I said. 

 

Look, I have so much to say about this topic here, but I really loathe essays, so I will try to keep as short as possible and be on topic: the first step in solving a problem is to acknowledge that it exists.

 

I alone know four gay guys who were beaten up by immigrants from Nothern Africa and the Middle East in my city. All of it in less than two years. None of them reported it to the police fearing they would be seen as xenophobic. I myself ended up in a fight with one teenage guy nine months ago who I have beaten up quite badly (but I am also a whooping, unstereotypical 195lbs dude who works out every day and knows a thing or two about fighting, so...). There is a lot to do, but just brushing it away, won't make the problem go away. And just saying, BUT BUT GERMANY was the birthplace of Nazis is not the solution. Or do you believe that the most desired place for them to come would be modern day Germany if it wasn't as welcoming as it is compared to most countries? And yet...

[DAP]

If the police want less violence then maybe they should stop instigating fights.

 

[Hex]

16 hours ago, Headlock said:

Mhm yeah this is you... not giving your personal opinion:

Girl just hang it up, live in your prejudice, don't throw stones and then hide 

 I was literally just spelling out what the source in the article is saying for the user who said they were confused because Germany is the gay capital of Europe. That is the context, I'm sorry if you don't understand.

 

And no, I'm not hiding. Neither Arabs or White Germans are exactly known for embracing those that don't share the same worldview.  But that's besides the point.

[Headlock]

17 hours ago, ontherocks said:

That's not what I said. 

 

Look, I have so much to say about this topic here, but I really loathe essays, so I will try to keep as short as possible and be on topic: the first step in solving a problem is to acknowledge that it exists.

 

I alone know four gay guys who were beaten up by immigrants from Nothern Africa and the Middle East in my city. All of it in less than two years. None of them reported it to the police fearing they would be seen as xenophobic. I myself ended up in a fight with one teenage guy nine months ago who I have beaten up quite badly (but I am also a whooping, unstereotypical 195lbs dude who works out every day and knows a thing or two about fighting, so...). There is a lot to do, but just brushing it away, won't make the problem go away. And just saying, BUT BUT GERMANY was the birthplace of Nazis is not the solution. Or do you believe that the most desired place for them to come would be modern day Germany if it wasn't as welcoming as it is compared to most countries? And yet...

Specifically targeting Muslim immigrants IS brushing the problem away, because it is ignoring the rise of the far-right contributing to bigotry, as well as the larger problems of why so many refugees/immigrants a fleeing countries in the first place. The West is causing global conflict and then getting surprise-Pikachu-face when people flee areas they target.

[ontherocks]

4 minutes ago, Headlock said:

Specifically targeting Muslim immigrants IS brushing the problem away, because it is ignoring the rise of the far-right contributing to bigotry, as well as the larger problems of why so many refugees/immigrants a fleeing countries in the first place. The West is causing global conflict and then getting surprise-Pikachu-face when people flee areas they target.

So I just imagined myself being attacked and the guys I know, too? 

[Luckitty]

European countries always blaming Arabs for everything  i guess it's easier to blame a minority than to do your job

 

she has the audacity to call us "terrorist sympathizers" when SHE is the terrorist who is most likely a nazi descendant

 

your country has committed multiple genocide and is currently complicit in another one, and you're calling us terrorists? ok nazi

[playboi]

Laxity and tolerance of the intolerance will cause the collapse of progressivism in the Western World  

[Communion]

21 hours ago, ontherocks said:

So I just imagined myself being attacked and the guys I know, too? 

How is this argument any different than conservative cis women who argue that the mere existence of trans women committing violent crime or sexual assault means society should legislate discriminately against trans women as a violent and predatory group despite this not being the statistical reality? To recognize such is not statistically meaningful is to somehow deny the claim of it happening ever? Huh?

[Anthinos]

The truth is that we have a problem with both groups. On the one hand the group mentioned here and on the other right-wing extremism. As a gay man, I avoid certain places because of both groups. The problem is that the problem mentioned here is understated by many on the left and I say that as someone who is progressive. People want to live in safety and that has to become one of our priorities otherwise the right-wing extremists will only get stronger.

Edited November 20 by Anthinos

[dlwlrma]

Saw a lot of germany gays talking about it, better source than atrl tankies screaming "zionist propaganda!!!!"