Liberal political pundits begin to blame non-profits, LGBTQ rights groups for loss

[Communion]

 

[vuelve88]

Liberal political pundits blame themselves for installing a candidate that nobody actually nominated. 

[NewStanner]

I hate how we are always the scapegoats for politicians

[LittleStarmen]

Its very easy to blame the small stuff and ignore that the big picture was wrong

[BOOMBAYAH]

Jon is an Obama-era Democrat. That man was okay with the Dems having a "I'm evolving, but still against it" attitude towards gay marriage so. 

[Just a Gay on ATRL]

People are always progressive until they lose or have a setback and they then look for the easiest targets to blame just like republicans lol. 
 

Ultimately it's because a huge chunk of this country is angry and Trump embodies what they want as far as someone coming in who's not a career politician and shakes the table on a system they believe was corrupt af before he even got there. Of course, their support of him is nonetheless delusional and ill-informed, because he will just make things worse and more chaotic, but I believe that's a lot of their delusional rationale behind him.

 

Democrats need to stop calling all Trump supporters evil trash on a daily basis because it not only doesn't sway any of them, it makes him stronger because they see him as someone who keeps winning against all odds and it's helping his whole narrative.
 

Dems don't wanna hear it but I think we need to come back to a political discourse in our country where we actually try to talk to people we don't agree with and not constantly just call each other garbage and have nasty arguments saying we'll never speak to each other again.  This goes for Trumpers constantly calling liberals scum of the earth as well. I know it's hard because I certainly can't stand Trump supporter at this point either  but the political divisiveness is deeply hurting America and Dems are clearly getting nowhere with their current messaging.  There's no actual discussions being had.
 

 

[Distantconstellation]

37 minutes ago, Just a Gay on ATRL said:

People are always progressive until they lose or have a setback and they then look for the easiest targets to blame just like republicans lol. 
 

Ultimately it's because a huge chunk of this country is angry and Trump embodies what they want as far as someone coming in who's not a career politician and shakes the table on a system they believe was corrupt af before he even got there. Of course, their support of him is nonetheless delusional and ill-informed, because he will just make things worse and more chaotic, but I believe that's a lot of their delusional rationale behind him.

 

Democrats need to stop calling all Trump supporters evil trash on a daily basis because it not only doesn't sway any of them, it makes him stronger because they see him as someone who keeps winning against all odds and it's helping his whole narrative.
 

Dems don't wanna hear it but I think we need to come back to a political discourse in our country where we actually try to talk to people we don't agree with and not constantly just call each other garbage and have nasty arguments saying we'll never speak to each other again.  This goes for Trumpers constantly calling liberals scum of the earth as well. I know it's hard because I certainly can't stand Trump supporter at this point either  but the political divisiveness is deeply hurting America and Dems are clearly getting nowhere with their current messaging.  There's no actual discussions being had.
 

 

Get it thru your thick skull you aren't gonna sway any trump supporter to vote dem, it's just not gonna happen. Same thing with Dems shifting right and becoming Republican lite .. that doesn't work why would they vote for republican lite over Republicans. Moving to the right or center like u and other dems always suggest plain and simple doesnt not work. Dems should be working for their own base not maga. 

[Sannie]

Leftists still living in a fantasy world where Kamala moving to the left would've helped her win despite the entire country moving to the right.  

 

TBH, I don't know what the answer is. Clearly America decided it did not want to go to the left so Dems will have to cater to that if they want to win. I personally don't agree with that as it hurts marginalized people so IDK what the hell they are supposed to do. I do know, however, catering to leftists does nothing for anyone lol. 

[teresaguidice]

liberals blaming kamala's 2019 left positions that were "forced" on her by advocacy groups when her empty suit'd lack of principles, a coherent worldview, and ability to paint a vision for the future that allowed her to have such inconsistent views in the first place is the thing that voters hate much more than "leftism."

Edited November 18 by teresaguidice

[Communion]

36 minutes ago, Sannie said:

I do know, however, catering to [LGBTQ rights groups] does nothing for anyone lol. 

Insane statement to say once understood in context of what you're advocating against and what you're actually saying!

[Sugar-Rush]

The LGBT+ community isn't responsible for Kamala's loss. Kamala lost because many people didn't like her association with Biden or because they simply didn't like Kamala herself. She was a bad candidate, and now we have to suffer for it.

[ClashAndBurn]

1 hour ago, Sannie said:

Leftists still living in a fantasy world where Kamala moving to the left would've helped her win despite the entire country moving to the right.  

 

TBH, I don't know what the answer is. Clearly America decided it did not want to go to the left so Dems will have to cater to that if they want to win. I personally don't agree with that as it hurts marginalized people so IDK what the hell they are supposed to do. I do know, however, catering to leftists does nothing for anyone lol. 

This has nothing to do with your favorite boogeyman of "the left"  

 

This is the Democratic Party openly talking about throwing trans advocacy (what was once a LIBERAL position that even Joe Biden was happy to embrace, not specifically limited to leftists) under the bus in order to cater to Republican fearmongering over the issue. They already ran scared away from even mentioning trans people on the campaign trail. They ran EXACTLY the campaign that Matt Yglesias and David Shor wanted her to. And now with the fortuitous gift of hindsight, they're saying she lost because instead of omitting trans people from her platform, she should have been adopting even MORE of Trump's policies and outflanking him from the right on banning trans women from sports, making it illegal for teachers to not out their students to their transphobic/homophobic parents, and banning puberty blockers.

[family.guy123]

1 hour ago, Distantconstellation said:

Get it thru your thick skull you aren't gonna sway any trump supporter to vote dem, it's just not gonna happen. Same thing with Dems shifting right and becoming Republican lite .. that doesn't work why would they vote for republican lite over Republicans. Moving to the right or center like u and other dems always suggest plain and simple doesnt not work. Dems should be working for their own base not maga. 

I've voted for left of centre parties my entire life. Next election I will be voting for a right wing government meant for the first time. Change happens, and people change. Grammar rules and spelling, Hiebert, do not 

[Distantconstellation]

54 minutes ago, family.guy123 said:

I've voted for left of centre parties my entire life. Next election I will be voting for a right wing government meant for the first time. Change happens, and people change. Grammar rules and spelling, Hiebert, do not 

And you are in the tiny minority. Tiny. This country is extremely partisan. Grammar or no grammar you clearly understood what I said. 

[Marianah Adkins]

2 hours ago, Sannie said:

Leftists still living in a fantasy world where Kamala moving to the left would've helped her win despite the entire country moving to the right.  

 

TBH, I don't know what the answer is. Clearly America decided it did not want to go to the left so Dems will have to cater to that if they want to win. I personally don't agree with that as it hurts marginalized people so IDK what the hell they are supposed to do. I do know, however, catering to leftists does nothing for anyone lol. 

So you are fine with throwing away trans ppl and LGBT ppl? Funny because you have been attacking the "left" endlessly throughout the election season for supposedly ignoring trans and LGBT rights only for your centrist and neolib brethren to now use them as a scapegoat for their humiliating loss.

 

The "left" you have been ranting about is the only bloc that is consistent with their support for trans and LGBT rights. Maybe get your principles straight for once because its tiring to see you flip flop like a *** to justify Kamala's humiliating loss, blaming everyone from different POCs to gays to Dem base voters, anyone but your enabling selves deluded to believe that Kamala's approach was working lmao. 

[Letters From Adi]

2 hours ago, Sannie said:

Leftists still living in a fantasy world where Kamala moving to the left would've helped her win despite the entire country moving to the right.  

 

TBH, I don't know what the answer is. Clearly America decided it did not want to go to the left so Dems will have to cater to that if they want to win. I personally don't agree with that as it hurts marginalized people so IDK what the hell they are supposed to do. I do know, however, catering to leftists does nothing for anyone lol. 

Dem supporters are just Blue MAGAs. **** hits the fan and the inner racism and transphobia comes out

[Mr. Blue_Shirt]

Another day, another liberals blaming their loss to anyone but themselves

 

[BionicWooHoo]

Democrats seem to be taking progressives/leftists for granted when really the ONLY reason I vote blue down the line despite their failed economic policies is that they are socially progressive in comparison to Republicans...take that away and what reason do I have to vote for Democrats? 

Its giving the VEEP season finale where Selina Meyer rolls back gay marriage just so she can win 

[family.guy123]

3 minutes ago, BionicWooHoo said:

Democrats seem to be taking progressives/leftists for granted when really the ONLY reason I vote blue down the line despite their failed economic policies is that they are socially progressive in comparison to Republicans...take that away and what reason do I have to vote for Democrats? 

Its giving the VEEP season finale where Selina Meyer rolls back gay marriage just so she can win 

Are you a "fiscally conservative, socially liberal" ?

[BionicWooHoo]

9 minutes ago, family.guy123 said:

Are you a "fiscally conservative, socially liberal" ?

Oh no. Absolutely not. The Republican Party's Trickle Down economics is even worse than the Democrat's Trickle Down-Lite. 
I should have worded myself better. 

[Dancehall Queen]

 

Oh wow. 

[Achilles.]

LGBT+ Americans are now 8% of the electorate and the second most loyal Democratic voting base behind black women. Despite bleeding votes across demographics, Kamala Harris gained 5% of the LGBT+ vote on top of Biden's already overwhelming support in 2020. We are a sizable enough demographic to decide elections up and down the ballot, but by all means the party is welcome to **** around and find out. 
 

This rhetoric of "we must win elections at any cost" is disgraceful but revealing. If a party known for championing human rights responds to losing an election by demonstrating a willingness to throw some human rights under the bus, it will fail to gain them many votes but it will do irreparable damage to the party's image. Cowards without conviction, willing to abandon the principles they purportedly stand for in order to grab power. Just what voters love most. 

[Sannie]

2 hours ago, Letters From Adi said:

Dem supporters are just Blue MAGAs. **** hits the fan and the inner racism and transphobia comes out

The inner transphobia comes from the leftists who spent months pushing messaging against the one person in the race who was willing to protect trans people.  Y'all leftists can't back out of this one. Y'all constantly rallied against Kamala while Trump promised to forcefully detransition all trans people.

 

We "Blue MAGAs" voted for the woman who has been a staunch LGBTQ supporter for decades. Y'all can't even fall back on Jill Stein/green part votes because Jill's VP pick was a transphobe.  

 

 

We told you all over and over and over again what Trump and the GOP has been promising to do to trans people and all you guys could focus on was Palestine.

Edited November 18 by Sannie

[kimberly]

Democratic voters want a Democratic candidate.

 

Jon Favreau (famously all up in establishment Dems asses) suggesting an even more center-right candidate than Kamala would have been the solution is diabolical. This would have slashed Democratic turnout even more and had no effect on Trump voters who, at the end of the day, will vote for him no matter what.

 

If Dems want to EMBARRASS themselves by losing popular vote AGAIN, they should make Mitt Romney the candidate or something. Since Kamala wanted to "have a Republican in her cabinet" anyway. 

[Princess Aurora]

Not him trying to normalize homophobia