poll ATRL decides: are Gaga and Katy truly in the same boat?

[Alaska.]

Gaga is still remembered by the public. Y'all need to stop acting like legacy acts who can't score huge solo hits are forgotten.

 

Katy is also remembered, but mostly by the people who grew up listening to her when she was cool. If I'd ask my mom, I'm sure she has no idea what Katy has been up to in several years.

[єѕℓαм]

No they never were

Gaga been ahead of her for a decade now and will continue to be .

[Human Fly]

And its so funny Gaga spend entire her peak years without any collaboration 

 

Yet rn in 2024 people take down her literally 4 (FOUR) collab songs when they considering her success but will keep using beyonce's , katy's , rihanna's collabs against her… 

[Rith]

the poll results look like a middle finger 

[GreatestLoveofAll]

Gaga always has been and always will be ahead both artistically and commercially overall. 

[Erreur2 La Nature]

Lady Gaga's career is objectively more impressive than Katy Perry. Though if we're talking about 2024 only, both of them are bombing. 

[RideOrDie]

the results are clear, ATRL has decided! maybe we can finally put this discussion to rest, but who am i kidding this exact same thread will be recycled in less than a month 

[Badgalbriel]

6 minutes ago, Erreur2 La Nature said:

Lady Gaga's career is objectively more impressive than Katy Perry. Though if we're talking about 2024 only, both of them are bombing. 

Gaga has the number 1 song in the world right now, which by the way is the biggest song of the year 

[RideOrDie]

4 minutes ago, Badgalbriel said:

Gaga has the number 1 song in the world right now, which by the way is the biggest song of the year 

like... the "thank you bruno" jokes are fine enough but it almost feels misogynistic at this point and i never throw that word around lightly... the complete ignoring of DWAS in her achievements is insane, she is a LEAD performer and co-writer on that song who has just as much parts as bruno. it doesn't matter at the end of the day who or why that song is such a smash, it will forever be part of and credited to her career successes no matter how much ATRL tries to take it away  that is just FACTUAL, not based on vibes or OGH's delulu narrative

[Havoc]

3 hours ago, Human Fly said:

Isnt Gaga literally #1 on Spotify charts with 10M+ streams in the past 65 days? 

Actually running for biggest spotify hit ever? 

 

Thread ruined!

Omg. This thread is clearly addressing SOLO power. I am open to giving an artist credit for a collab but this pattern of Gaga only doing well with an A-list collab and flopping with anything solo is just too jarrimg too ignore. Gaga fans need to open their eyes to this. The stark difference between DWAS and Harlquin (the type of album they gave Beyonce heat for for flopping 5 years ago) and Disease is NOT a coincidence. Her collabs just haven't trasnlated to her solo power and thats not hating...those are just facts.

[longjohn9898]

Not even close. Gaga's career speaks for itself. Katy's was short lived and she never had the talent to sustain longevity or to maneuver with versatility like Gaga has. Despite ups and downs commercially for both, the gap in actual talent, cultural impact, and industry respect is vast between these two. 

[Pop Art]

Love how there's several bees buzzing around in here as if Gaga isn't doing more streams daily without DWAS, Disease, Harlequin, and any other 2024 releases than their fave even though she just released an entire new album this year (11.3M vs. 11.1M).

 

Even funnier when they double down on the "solo" argument when Gaga is also doing more daily in solo streams also without any 2024 releases (8.3M vs. 7.2M).

 

OT: I understand why Gaga and Katy are compared (they will always be peers along with others that debuted around the same time like Taylor, Rihanna, etcetera, plus they have history being compared like Britney and Xtina), but no, they're really not on the same boat and haven't been since 2018 at the latest.

[swissman]

The answer I would have chosen is not in the polls which would simply be:

 

"No, Gaga is ahead of Katy currently"

[aesthetic bih]

Oh wow, one of the rare instances that ATRL got it right

[Jay07]

Gaga has a huge hit right now and has been nominated for another 2 Grammys to add to the 13 she already has. That is not even taking into account her success in movies. I don't want to be cruel to Katy but they were nowhere near each other in terms of success or acclaim. Let it go.

[Outlaws]

I guess you got your answers.

[Universo]

looking at their daily streams... seems to me Katy & Beyoncé are on the same boat 

[MissedTheTrain]

15 hours ago, Genius2 said:

Fans seem to forget that Gaga had a few bad years 2013-2019 until ASIB managed to save her from the terrible flop and how canceled she was. 
It's good that she knew how to take advantage of those opportunities and today, even though she is still just a flop (even if they want to hide it) she is respected. That's the only thing that differentiates her from Katy Perry, who hasn't had the best decisions in recent years.

 

Gaga was never "cancelled", and I wouldn't call any of those years bad other than 2013 (a year in which she still had a couple of hit singles and a #1 album that did decently).  She was the GP punching bag for a bit during the ARTPOP era, but she had recovered from that by like...the following year, by pivoting and showcasing her talent. In those years 2014 - 2018, she released a #1 Grammy winning jazz album and gave several high profile performances that got her a lot of acclaim (Oscars, SuperBowl National Anthem, Grammys multiple times, etc).  She got a lead role in a popular TV series and won a Golden Globe for it.  She pivoted again, released a new studio album that was more stripped down and not as Pop or mainstream as anything she had done prior.  She headlined the Superbowl half time show, headlined Coachella, and went on an extremely successful tour.

 

It's not always just about hit singles when it comes to ones' status in the business.  

[MissedTheTrain]

2 hours ago, Havoc said:

Omg. This thread is clearly addressing SOLO power. I am open to giving an artist credit for a collab but this pattern of Gaga only doing well with an A-list collab and flopping with anything solo is just too jarrimg too ignore. Gaga fans need to open their eyes to this. The stark difference between DWAS and Harlquin (the type of album they gave Beyonce heat for for flopping 5 years ago) and Disease is NOT a coincidence. Her collabs just haven't trasnlated to her solo power and thats not hating...those are just facts.

Do you really think an album of jazz covers attached to a panned film was going to be a hot seller?  

 

Gaga has paved a lane for herself that isn't reliant on hit singles, even though she snatches those too. "Solo power" is such a made up term that people outside of stan circles do not actually care about.  Also, it's interesting that this conversation only comes up for female artists and not male artists like Post Malone.

[Giorgoc]

4 hours ago, Havoc said:

Omg. This thread is clearly addressing SOLO power. I am open to giving an artist credit for a collab but this pattern of Gaga only doing well with an A-list collab and flopping with anything solo is just too jarrimg too ignore. Gaga fans need to open their eyes to this. The stark difference between DWAS and Harlquin (the type of album they gave Beyonce heat for for flopping 5 years ago) and Disease is NOT a coincidence. Her collabs just haven't trasnlated to her solo power and thats not hating...those are just facts.

First off, whoever gave Beyonce heat for a companion album flopping is a dumbass.

 

Now, where's this pattern exactly? Her more recent hits have been Shallow (is Bradley an A-list hitmaker? news to me), ARUTW is not a hit in position but streams say otherwise - solo, Stupid Love went #5 which is solo and speaks to her power considering the song is utter crap and leaked over a month earlier, Rain On Me for sure would've been a hit but definitely not #1 without Ariana, Bloody Mary - solo and 11 years old deep cut at the time, and DWAS which is destroying everything on the charts. Out of 6 hits, 3 are collabs and 1 is with a first timer. Where's the pattern?

 

Yes Disease bombed, but let's also take into account the fact that the song is VERY left field for 2024 (just take a look at radio and tell me ONE song that sounds remotely similar), and that they completely botched the release-hype around the release. People literally didn't/don't know Gaga has a new song out besides DWAS. All of that doesn't change the fact that the song flopped, but maybe with better handling it could've been bottom Top 10.

[Doctor Dick]

20 hours ago, Stunnah said:

The losses from the Joker 2 alone could comfortable build a 500-passenger boat!

Tell me something @Stunnah. 

 

You credit Gaga for JFAD's flopping but discredit her in DWAS' smashing. How does that even makes sense? JFAD was also a collaborative effort and yet you single Gaga out because she was top-billed on the poster but when she's top-billed on DWAS it's not her success. Elaborate this pls. 

[Phaunzie]

Yes

[Phaunzie]

10 hours ago, Human Fly said:

And its so funny Gaga spend entire her peak years without any collaboration 

 

Yet rn in 2024 people take down her literally 4 (FOUR) collab songs when they considering her success but will keep using beyonce's , katy's , rihanna's collabs against her… 

Blame the LMs, they started the SOLO drag first.

[Ethereaaal]

23 hours ago, Doctor Dick said:

gaga's disease single debuted with four million streams, which is in the same ballparK as beyoncé's lAtest - a Truly "a-lIst" spot. in comparison, katY's woman's world pulled only two million, which ISn't even close. it spent just one dAy on the global spotiFy chart, whiLe gaga's hit is still charting over two weeks later. gaga can dO stadiums, and her latest track dwas is ruling globally, with disease bound to surpass katy's entire album in streams plus gaga has a dozen grammys, whIle katy has zero, and even an oscar. gaga's boat is full, no room left for katy, who remains struggling in the oPen sea.

 

 

Oh wow, we love facts!
 

If they are boatmates, the Woman's Turd chanteuse must've been stuck attached to the rusty anchor lying stably at the sea floor 

[Ethereaaal]

22 hours ago, SoundsandSongs said:

If we are talking solo success, they are not exactly the same boat but they're also not as far as some people claim. Disease and Stupid Love did better than WW but let's not act like they did well.

 

People are interested in Gaga collabs and her old material from 2008-2011 but her studio albums since Artpop actually get similar recurrent streams to Katy. 

 

Chromatica - 580k

Artpop - 520k

Joanne - 380k

 

Smile - 430k

143 - 560k

Witness - 350k 

 

I don't think Gaga is able to pull off a solo top 10 single in 2024. Her stats show her most recent studio albums arent generating a huge amount of interest among GP. 

143 was released this year… and is being outstreamed by a 4+ year old album (Gaga's last pop album) AND just ONE LG7 song   
 

How is that not far from each other? 

Edited 9 hours ago by Ethereaaal