CocoPouf Posted November 10 Posted November 10 1 minute ago, playboi said: Slavery and marrying little girls 'but but but, nuns wear their hair covered! So unfair!!!!!!! 1!1!1!1!1" 1
heckinglovato Posted November 10 Posted November 10 1 minute ago, CocoPouf said: Piercings are a sin? What the **** is not a sin there? In Christianity you'd burn in hell for bottoming and in Judaism for ordering that extra bacon on your Big Mac Which culture should we nuke first? 7
CocoPouf Posted November 10 Posted November 10 3 minutes ago, Communion said: @DevilsRollTheDice sis, watch out, they're doing identity politics Yes, and as I replied to that person, you can stay mad about it. ❤️
Dumbledore Posted November 10 Posted November 10 2 minutes ago, DevilsRollTheDice said: Many people are actually asking for it and actively resisting. Kinda hard when your rights and access to education are stripped! We can wax poetic about what these women may or may not want but the truth is we have no idea for many of them because they feel unsafe expressing views that contradict their culture. True, but don't BAN it. Let. Women. Wear. What. They. Want. Let everyone move at their own pace. Focus on ensuring that your country is safe for those people you say you defend or protect with this law. 2
DevilsRollTheDice Posted November 10 Posted November 10 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Dumbledore said: True, but don't BAN it. Let. Women. Wear. What. They. Want. Let everyone move at their own pace. Focus on ensuring that your country is safe for those people you say you defend or protect with this law. Edited November 10 by DevilsRollTheDice
Communion Posted November 10 Posted November 10 Just now, CocoPouf said: Yes, and as I replied to that person, you can stay mad about it. ❤️ I'm not European so I don't care, sis! I just found the claim about "identity politics" odd so had to come in for a side-swipe! From your argument, it seems that you're arguing religious headwear is okay for nuns because of nuns' Christian, European identity and that because Muslims do not share your Christian, European identity, you don't feel obliged to apply the same. It seems you are in earnest arguing for a Christian European identity politics and that Europe is, after all, I guess.. meant for Europeans........ do I have that right? 4
heckinglovato Posted November 10 Posted November 10 4 minutes ago, CocoPouf said: 'but but but, nuns wear their hair covered! So unfair!!!!!!! 1!1!1!1!1" 3 minutes ago, CocoPouf said: Yes, and as I replied to that person, you can stay mad about it. ❤️ 10 minutes ago, CocoPouf said: Nuns are part of our culture, so stay MAD I've never seen someone riding dick for nuns so hard my entire life 7
Dumbledore Posted November 10 Posted November 10 2 minutes ago, Dumbledore said: True, but don't BAN it. Let. Women. Wear. What. They. Want. Let everyone move at their own pace. Focus on ensuring that your country is safe for those people you say you defend or protect with this law. And to be clear, of course Europe doesn't want to protect Muslims that immigrate to their country. I would be too naive to believe that. They want to get rid of them. They want to get rid of them without solving the problem they (in part) caused. The same way Uncle Sam wants to get rid of latinos when they are the main reason there are so many latinos in the US to beging with, but that's a different topic. 4 1
Draper. Posted November 10 Posted November 10 3 minutes ago, Dumbledore said: True, but don't BAN it. Let. Women. Wear. What. They. Want. Let everyone move at their own pace. Focus on ensuring that your country is safe for those people you say you defend or protect with this law. It's impossible to ensure people feel safe in a place when they are literally wearing something that prevents them from regular social interaction. 2 1
heckinglovato Posted November 10 Posted November 10 Just now, Dumbledore said: And to be clear, of course Europe doesn't want to protect Muslims that immigrate to their country. I would be too naive to believe that. They want to get rid of them. They want to get rid of them without solving the problem they (in part) caused. The same way Uncle Sam wants to get rid of latinos when they are the main reason there are so many latinos in the US to beging with, but that's a different topic. I wouldn't say in part, otherwise spot-on. 2
Scars Posted November 10 Posted November 10 15 minutes ago, CocoPouf said: Nuns are part of our culture, so stay MAD The girls are finally quitting the white savior complex 'We're saving you from your own internalized misogynistic values!' bullshit and letting the mask slip. Ouch. 1 10
CocoPouf Posted November 10 Posted November 10 2 minutes ago, heckinglovato said: I've never seen someone riding dick for nuns so hard my entire life Same as you riding dick for hijabs or burqas or whatever you call that head piece, dear ❤️ 5 6
homosexual_behaviour Posted November 10 Posted November 10 this is a bit excessive. people can wear whatever they want 6
Dumbledore Posted November 10 Posted November 10 1 minute ago, Draper. said: It's impossible to ensure people feel safe in a place when they are literally wearing something that prevents them from regular social interaction. Yeah and they'll feel so much safer knowing the government that wants to "protect" them prohibited their clothes and is watching them and if they do it now it's a crime and they are the criminals 4
BrokenMachine Posted November 10 Posted November 10 2 hours ago, heckinglovato said: Where do you draw the line of "oppressive" and who draws it? Should the government get to legislate oppression? Why is a face cover oppressive and not a headscarf? And if a headscarf is also oppressive then will Catholic nuns attire also be banned? Or is it only oppressive if it originates from a non-Western culture? Also how come when Afghanistan/Taliban legislate their "culture" the immediate reaction here is we should bomb them or implement regime change, but when western governments want to legislate their "culture" (a Swiss culture of skiing in ski masks in the Alps but women can't choose to cover their face if they wish), then everyone applauds it? So many questions! All of this, it's just giving intolerance against an specific group of people. Never ask Swiss banks what they were doing during WWII btw 7 1
heckinglovato Posted November 10 Posted November 10 Just now, CocoPouf said: Same as you riding dick for hijabs or burqas or whatever you call that head piece, dear ❤️ I'm very much against it and also see it as a form of oppression, but you won't ever catch me to the right of Donald Trump in trying to legislate against it because it hurts my fragile little white feelings 8
CocoPouf Posted November 10 Posted November 10 4 minutes ago, Communion said: I'm not European so I don't care, sis! I just found the claim about "identity politics" odd so had to come in for a side-swipe! From your argument, it seems that you're arguing religious headwear is okay for nuns because of nuns' Christian, European identity and that because Muslims do not share your Christian, European identity, you don't feel obliged to apply the same. It seems you are in earnest arguing for a Christian European identity politics and that Europe is, after all, I guess.. meant for Europeans........ do I have that right? Not quite there, but if a woman visiting Muslims spots have to cover and wear specific things because "it is our culture!" then don't be a ***** about something from a different culture, like, A NUN. lololol
BrokenMachine Posted November 10 Posted November 10 1 hour ago, Doctor Dick said: Afghanistan just accepted a law where women aren't allowed to speak to other women in public. That's a whole other topic. But this is not a "head scarf". You're confusing it with what a burqa is: Isn't this the kind of clothing people in the mountains use?
Draper. Posted November 10 Posted November 10 3 minutes ago, Dumbledore said: Yeah and they'll feel so much safer knowing the government that wants to "protect" them prohibited their clothes and is watching them and if they do it now it's a crime and they are the criminals I'm not saying they should specifically target burqas, but they could prohibit covering the entirety of your face on public spaces. Any type of clothing, from any culture.
BrokenMachine Posted November 10 Posted November 10 (edited) 3 hours ago, l3disko said: Don't immigrate to a country if you're not willing to assimilate to their culture. So Europeans can have their whole diaspora all around the world, but it only becomes a problem once it's not white people doing it ? No wonder Trump ended up winning Edited November 10 by BrokenMachine 1 1
heckinglovato Posted November 10 Posted November 10 If Jordan (a Muslim country where Catholic nuns freely roam the streets) decided to ban nun attire tomorrow, people here would be changing their profile pictures on Facebook to #JusticeForOurSisters photo frames and calling on Rome to send Vatican planes on rescue missions What the **** are y'all talking about 1 2 1
Communion Posted November 10 Posted November 10 2 minutes ago, CocoPouf said: Not quite there, but if a woman visiting Muslims spots have to cover and wear specific things because "it is our culture!" then don't be a ***** about something from a different culture, like, A NUN. lololol Ah, so you view Muslims as one identity and view them as an identity that... oppresses (?) your Identity as a white European Christian? And that your interests are in upholding your identity's "culture" (?) and ensuring your "culture" (?) prevails against what you feel oppresses it? Ah, interesting. From a class perspective, one would think if the concern was protecting Muslim women, there'd be massive enrollment for asylum! Open the borders for Afghan women, I hope! 1
Thickorita Posted November 10 Posted November 10 Every Swiss person I've met has had bad breath. More of them should cover their face 5
punisher Posted November 10 Posted November 10 europe is so ******* grosss doesn't france only allow you to wear a speedo or bikini/one-piece to swim 1
BrokenMachine Posted November 10 Posted November 10 (edited) Of course I consider burqas as some oppression tool against woman, but I highly doubt banning them would end their oppression. It's not that simple. All of those Muslim women living there have a safety network for them after this policy being implemented? Or is just a silent way of telling them to f*** off from their country? I'm curious, and given the responses in here seems like they're aiming for the latter. And to give more context about how banning a piece of clothing isn't 'empowering', just look how girls in the Olympics end up wearing as little clothes as possible as a modern oppression tool. Just let women wear whatever they want Edited November 10 by BrokenMachine 3 1
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