news Democrat strategists: Celebrity political endorsements are damaging (per The Hill)

[Gesamtkunstwerk]

People said this in 2016

 

The celebs they paid to endorse them have fan bases that would probably have voted for Dems anyway, so they wouldn't have swayed anyone 

[perfect blue]

Of course it's damaging. Celebrities are a vital pillar of the mAiNsTrEaM mEdiA that MAGAts claim to be at war with. 

[Bears01]

1 minute ago, Princess Aurora said:

Lies. Celebrity endorsement is good. The problem is that they don't have a social media marketing strategy. Democrats are still reliant on classic media

Completely disagree

 

it comes down to this: how is Taylor swift, Katy Perry, Cardi B, Julia Roberts etc gonna help pay my bills? 

[Tovitov]

7 minutes ago, Scheissex said:

The way I was dragged on here for saying this two weeks ago  

This new mentality we have of expecting celebrities to comment or take a stance on world issues is super weird. 

It's not really a new phenomenon. Even back during the 50s and 60s, celebrities endorsed. 

 

But I do think we need to take a step back in terms of them being campaign surrogates. Taylor struck a good balance this year. Her Instagram endorsement was probably a happy medium. 

Edited November 10 by Tovitov

[Communion]

8 minutes ago, ImpressMeMuch said:

This is the sole exception of a good celebrity since celebrities' usefulness starts and stops at using their power + money to support progressive causes.

 

Not to help elect Democrats, but force Democrats to adopt populist policies and become more electable.

 

The whole phenomenon of a Cardi B political endorsement is the reality of a woman of color who grew up in poverty and having to resort to things like stripping to get by yelling "VOTE DADDY BERNIE, *****!". 

 

The good sis has been talking for years now about taxing the rich including herself so we can have universal healthcare but Vote Blue No Matter Whoism muzzled her and makes it just another silly celeb endorsement. 

Edited November 10 by Communion

[Taylena]

And yet, every election year, liberals will be online calling certain celebrities n*zis if they don't endorse the Democrat candidate. 

[LegaMyth]

The Democrats simply needed a longer campaign. Trump and his dumpsters have been spreading BS for years. Kamala started running only a couple of months before the election. 

[Princess Aurora]

11 minutes ago, Bears01 said:

Completely disagree

 

it comes down to this: how is Taylor swift, Katy Perry, Cardi B, Julia Roberts etc gonna help pay my bills? 

And? They have fans and it might click. They did it in 2020 and it worked. The main problem was how the Dems marketed themselves. Unlike Trump who started two years ago, Kamala didn't have enough time to sell it. Normally, she couldn't win and I expected the loss as well. Also, Elon Musk's endorsement played a big role as well. The right also had celebrities too. They had Hulk Hogan and Kid Rock at the RNC this summer 

[El Chico]

Yeah I feel like we need to take a step back and talk about endorsements from certain multi-millionaire celebrities actually being a negative for whatever candidate is trying to make their case to the working class. Yeah it might get a cute little hit tweet or two but it never gets people to the polls. Like it's mind boggling how this actually needs to be discussed.

 

Also I don't mean someone like Billie going online to post and share information to bring awareness about a candidate, but bringing them on stage to give a speech and making a big show might not be it. Someone like Cardi B has no business being on stage for a politician I'am sorry 

Edited November 10 by El Chico

[Bears01]

2 minutes ago, Princess Aurora said:

And? They have fans and it might click. They did it in 2020 and it worked. The main problem was how the Dems marketed themselves. Unlike Trump who started two years ago, Kamala didn't have enough time to sell it. Normally, she couldn't win and I expected the loss as well. Also, Elon Musk's endorsement played a big role as well. The right also had celebrities too. They had Hulk Hogan and Kid Rock at the RNC this summer 

It "worked" in 2020 because we were in the middle of a once in a century crisis, and even then it barely worked. 
 

The same thing was tried in 2016 and it again, failed. Americans currently hate this economy, and relying on big celebrities to try and tell them how wrong they are, won't work. 
 

Imagine if Kamala spent more time campaigning with someone like Shawn Fein and less time with Beyonce, j lo, lizzo etc. she'd look more in touch with the working class on compariosn to Trump campaigning with Elon musk every now and then….

[Princess Aurora]

6 minutes ago, Bears01 said:

It "worked" in 2020 because we were in the middle of a once in a century crisis, and even then it barely worked. 
 

The same thing was tried in 2016 and it again, failed. Americans currently hate this economy, and relying on big celebrities to try and tell them how wrong they are, won't work. 
 

Imagine if Kamala spent more time campaigning with someone like Shawn Fein and less time with Beyonce, j lo, lizzo etc. she'd look more in touch with the working class on compariosn to Trump campaigning with Elon musk every now and then….

I mean, first of all, the party has to follow the cultural trends in the US. I'm not fully aware of them since I don't live there. I think that a mixture of both would work, to be honest with you. Celebrities shouldn't tell them how wrong they are but instead be relatable. I guess Hollywood can learn a thing or two from American society in the end, it's part of it. I also remember it was like this in the 2000s. It looks like the US has been stuck in a crisis since 2008, don't you think it's more of a societal/political issue?

Edited November 10 by Princess Aurora

[Cesar]

The celebrity endorsements would've worked if the message included a connection that related to the working class. Most celebrities are detached from that reality though. The one artist that did speak out (Chappell Roan) the libs shunned her for it.

[Mordecai]

Until yesterday I didn't even realise that these celebrities are being paid for their appearances. If that's the case then all these appearances and endorsements are gross. If politics and having your preferred candidate and party are that important to you, then as multi-millionaires you should be able to put your ego aside when taking one day off from work to give a speech or perform for free. If I donated to a party only to find my money went towards some singer's performance or actor's speech I'd be pissed off

[Bears01]

12 minutes ago, Princess Aurora said:

I mean, first of all, the party has to follow the cultural trends in the US. I'm not fully aware of them since I don't live there. I think that a mixture of both would work, to be honest with you. Celebrities shouldn't tell them how wrong they are but instead be relatable. I guess Hollywood can learn a thing or two from American society in the end, it's part of it. I also remember it was like this in the 2000s. It looks like the US has been stuck in a crisis since 2008, don't you think it's more of a societal/political issue?

You're not from here, and you think celebrity endorsements are what "the cultural trends" are?….

 

Look at the exit polls and see which candidate won the working class. Hint: it wasn't Kamala 

[Onyxmage]

1 hour ago, Cheers said:

It's true. People see anything that's endorsed by celebs as fake. Working class America is over it.

So what they did think about the richest man in the world Endorsing Trump? 

[Onyxmage]

34 minutes ago, El Chico said:

Yeah I feel like we need to take a step back and talk about endorsements from certain multi-millionaire celebrities actually being a negative for whatever candidate is trying to make their case to the working class. Yeah it might get a cute little hit tweet or two but it never gets people to the polls. Like it's mind boggling how this actually needs to be discussed.

 

Also I don't mean someone like Billie going online to post and share information to bring awareness about a candidate, but bringing them on stage to give a speech and making a big show might not be it. Someone like Cardi B has no business being on stage for a politician I'am sorry 

But Elon musk does?

[Princess Aurora]

16 minutes ago, Bears01 said:

You're not from here, and you think celebrity endorsements are what "the cultural trends" are?….

 

Look at the exit polls and see which candidate won the working class. Hint: it wasn't Kamala 

Not necessarily. I don't know how to explain it....Nevermind lol

[Marianah Adkins]

40 minutes ago, Princess Aurora said:

And? They have fans and it might click. They did it in 2020 and it worked. The main problem was how the Dems marketed themselves. Unlike Trump who started two years ago, Kamala didn't have enough time to sell it. Normally, she couldn't win and I expected the loss as well. Also, Elon Musk's endorsement played a big role as well. The right also had celebrities too. They had Hulk Hogan and Kid Rock at the RNC this summer 

Their fans were always going to vote Democrat lmao hence why it was so ineffective. Celebrity endorsements are great but they should not be the centerpiece of the campaign like what Kamala did. 

 

And idk why y'all keep touting the Hulk Hogan endorsement as if that actually substantially helped Trump. Same rule applies to them since their fans would likely vote GOP anyway

 

What really saved Trump's campaign was pivoting to male dominated podcasts. He basically activated these voters who would generally not vote. 

 

Offtopic but whew deflecting everything to the Trump campaign is futile when the Dems lost BADLY. 

 

 

[Marianah Adkins]

7 minutes ago, Onyxmage said:

But Elon musk does?

No one flipped their votes for Musk lmao idk why y'all song hung up on these endorsements. Musk's main contribution is financial and media coverage, not his endorsement. 

 

The bitterness and the need to deflect everything to Trump is the reason why the Dems flopped. Y'all cant take the truth

[Princess Aurora]

2 minutes ago, Marianah Adkins said:

Their fans were always going to vote Democrat lmao hence why it was so ineffective. Celebrity endorsements are great but they should not be the centerpiece of the campaign like what Kamala did. 

 

And idk why y'all keep touting the Hulk Hogan endorsement as if that actually substantially helped Trump. Same rule applies to them since their fans would likely vote GOP anyway

 

What really saved Trump's campaign was pivoting to male dominated podcasts. He basically activated these voters who would generally not vote. 

 

Offtopic but whew deflecting everything to the Trump campaign is futile when the Dems lost BADLY. 

 

 

That's why I said the Dems need to step up their social media platforms cause Trumpet (I didn't say the GOP since it's mostly related to him) got them first. I agree Celebrity endorsement shouldn't be central to a politician's campaign

[Cheers]

13 minutes ago, Onyxmage said:

So what they did think about the richest man in the world Endorsing Trump? 

They see him as a businessman not a celebrity. They think it will be a good alliance for the "economy." C'mon now!

[Marianah Adkins]

1 minute ago, Princess Aurora said:

That's why I said the Dems need to step up their social media platforms cause Trumpet (I didn't say the GOP since it's mostly related to him) got them first. I agree Celebrity endorsement shouldn't be central to a politician's campaign

By stepping up their social media platforms, they need to have a STRONG and SOLID message and branding. 

Part of Trump's success is the ubiquity of his MAGA slogan. When you think of him, you know what he stans for (mass deportation, tax cuts, anti-trans). Horrible as they are but you know what youre gonna get.

The Democrats since the end of the Obama admin have been failing in this regard

[Princess Aurora]

1 minute ago, Marianah Adkins said:

By stepping up their social media platforms, they need to have a STRONG and SOLID message and branding. 

Part of Trump's success is the ubiquity of his MAGA slogan. When you think of him, you know what he stans for (mass deportation, tax cuts, anti-trans). Horrible as they are but you know what youre gonna get.

The Democrats since the end of the Obama admin have been failing in this regard

Yep, the American Democratic Party currently doesn't have an effective branding. Maybe they'll find it, Idk. Again I'm not from the US and I'm not a full expert on politics. I think Celebrity endorsement isn't necessarily bad though but it should be more than that. 

[El Chico]

16 minutes ago, Onyxmage said:

But Elon musk does?

I never once said that I agree with or even like anything Elon Musk is doing what even 

The only thing I have to say is Elon Musk bought Twitter and turned it into a cesspool of right wing propaganda so yeah I think republicans got way more out of him than democrats could ever get from bringing Beyoncé or whatever major celebrity on stage.

 

[Bears01]

2 minutes ago, Princess Aurora said:

Yep, the American Democratic Party currently doesn't have an effective branding. Maybe they'll find it, Idk. Again I'm not from the US and I'm not a full expert on politics. I think Celebrity endorsement isn't necessarily bad though but it should be more than that. 

I'll meet you in the middle. 
 

Celebrity endorsements are fine. But if kept kind of like a minimal like how Taylor did it. When you had to throw them out at every campaign event in desperation to get people to come vote for you, it becomes off putting, if not a losing strategy. 
 

Espeicalky when democrats right now CLEARLY have a problem of connecting to working class Americans and how they're portrayed. It's the exact same thing they lost them to Trump the first time