music megathread The making of the B7: Was Britney The Femme Fatale?

[WaterDiamonds]

10 hours ago, BraveNewSeth said:

Also I wouldn't say the entire album is hyperpop adjacent, but How I Roll and Trip To Your Heart are absolutely early hyperpop songs and it's impressive that Britney was experimenting with that sound a good ~5 years before Charli XCX would release Vroom Vroom. 

Honestly even tho it's easier to point out in the Nicole-penned songs I feel like the album as a whole made an impact in PC music and club electronic tracks as well. As much as I dislike it I can hear some of BFB's sound in Brat; the dubstep bridge in SIWAK, the small Vocal FX in Trouble For Me that sound like an elf on meth, even the high pitched moans followed by chopped and screwed vocals in Gasoline... All of those were small but out of the box production choices that I feel like sort of set the foundation for how Hyperpop would sound in the future; FF's main influence was obviously popularizing dubstep in mainstream music, but personally, I think it transcended that because it was never stuck in the "build up-drop-breakdown" formula, unlike like some of the albums that followed it did, and the producers weren't afraid to experiment with other sound textures as strange as they might seem on paper. 

Edited Sunday at 01:28 PM by WaterDiamonds

[WaterDiamonds]

10 hours ago, perfectillusion204 said:

Omg stop, that is still one of my fav songs haha. If that's true I would die to hear Britney's version one day!

Yeah! I mean it's not 100% confirmed, but a reliable source from BreatheHeavy said so, and honestly it makes a whole lot of sense considering it was written by Max Martin, Shellback and Tiffany Ander, the same writers as 3 and Criminal, and coincidentally Allison's A&R at the time was also Teresa, so it makes sense that she could've given her a Britney reject that wasn't going to be used in the near future for her keeping in mind that having Max Martin writing music specifically for her would've been a very risky inversion as she was a rising star with no guarantee of success; but again, take this statement with a pinch of salt!

Edited Sunday at 01:26 PM by WaterDiamonds

[WaterDiamonds]

21 minutes ago, shyboi said:

this was amazing, real insider lore 

 

i wonder how the album would've sound it Beyoncè never stole Teresa? what a crazy twist 

 

gonna read the glory one next, thanks so much! 

We have a bunch of Pitch Demos written during Teresa's writing camp so there's that! Also, the only demo we have with Britney vocals from the actual Femme Fatale era is also from that time period, even though it's unfinished, here's it and some of my favorite tracks so you get an idea of what they meant when they asked for "Electronic music with an edge" 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[the good guy_duh]

Scary is the only song where Britney is credited as a writer... it's my favorite track on the album, personally

 

 

[BraveNewSeth]

1 hour ago, WaterDiamonds said:

Honestly even tho it's easier to point out in the Nicole-penned songs I feel like the album as a whole made an impact in PC music and club electronic tracks as well. As much as I dislike it I can hear some of BFB's sound in Brat; the dubstep bridge in SIWAK, the small Vocal FX in Trouble For Me that sound like an elf on meth, even the high pitched moans followed by chopped and screwed vocals in Gasoline... All of those were small but out of the box production choices that I feel like sort of set the foundation for how Hyperpop would sound in the future; FF's main influence was obviously popularizing dubstep in mainstream music, but personally, I think it transcended that because it was never stuck in the "build up-drop-breakdown" formula, unlike like some of the albums that followed it did, and the producers weren't afraid to experiment with other sound textures as strange as they might seem on paper. 

Hmm, I could maybe agree with this but idk. When you listen to someone like Charli for example, the vocal manipulations on her music are very deliberate. Like you can tell there was actually thought put into it by her and the producers. Then you compare it to Britney during the FF era where she couldn't be arsed to spend a lot of time in the studio (for understandable reasons), and the producers had to make due with whatever they were given. Which lead to heavy amounts of autotune and melodyne, or a heavy reliance on backing vocals from Myah, Nicole, Bonnie, etc. Like she's not even singing the chorus on He About To Lose Me

 

Just my opinion of course!

Edited Sunday at 03:06 PM by BraveNewSeth

[WaterDiamonds]

10 hours ago, Jeremiah said:

You did it! So happy you went with it 

 

Now, some points I feel like raising:

 

1. A&R/Exec-producer of the album

It's evident that Teresa LaBarbera was the original person in charge of the album. No doubt about that but I'm questioning the reasons of her departure and when it was definitive (I very much doubt Teresa would drop out just like that, specially after working closely with Britney on Blackout and Circus). As yourself brought up, she was hosting writing camps in late September 2010, and although it was officially announced in October 28 that Dr. Luke was assuming, there's this Billboard cover story from September 3rd that slips the info. Makes me wonder: did Dr. Luke come to replace Teresa? Did they work together first? How much of Teresa's involvement made it into the album?

 

Now, noticing after going through my archives, I ask: why was Teresa hosting camps as of late as September? It was rumored all through the year that Britney was preparing a new album and while they denied it for the most part, Adam Leber admitted in mid August that she was focused on finishing an album (context: she wasn't attending the Glee premiere).

 

How many stages did Femme Fatale go through?

 

2. "Rock album"

There's a long standing myth that Britney wanted a rock sound for the album. Where did it originate? I have yet to know. "Don't Keep Me Waiting" exists after all (which is interesting when you know that Darkchild was involved since 2009, but I'd say DKMW is from late 2010) as well as the "rock song" you mention, which is what I want to refer to. As far as I know, the "rock song" was teased by Ann Mincieli, an engineer/mixer who worked with Max Martin, on a now deleted tweet:

 

We know the 3/IWG/etc sessions were in mid July 2009 in Stockholm, while Ann's tweets are from August (Britney was in NYC then).

 

She also posted on Facebook: "Me and Max Martin are working with her on a bunch of new songs for her Album and End of Year box set!" (Source) - (Were all the songs for The Singles Collection then? Were they doing songs for both projects?).

 

Anyways. What's interesting is that Ann tweeted again a year later:

 

If you remember right, Britney covered Alanis Morissette's song "You Oughta Know" in selected dates for the Circus tour, the first being September 5, 2009. Soooo, could have the "rock song" been "You Oughta Know" all along?

 

3. "Rushed album?"

That's interesting. Ever since Dr. Luke was announced, it was reputed that the album would come out before March 31, 2011, as it was the end of Sony's fiscal year. "Big Fat Bass" was indeed recorded in February 2011, and I think there was even more people pitching songs at the time (Fredwreck, Dallas Austin), but they were probably just open last potential inclusions, as Dr. Luke was done with his material in December and the album was on final steps:

 

 

Wow, the Luke/Teresa situation was more messy than I imagined while doing the research, I'm guessing that Teresa stepped back as the executive producer after August of 2010 but Jive was still pleased with her material so asked her to remain as the A&R and host a camp for new songs, and then after October her and Luke had a major disagreement, probably because she didn't want so many of his songs in the project which led to her calling it quits and go with Columbia, that's the only thing I can think of.

 

"In the coming months, Gottwald will co-executive produce Britney Spears' 2011 project, alongside Martin. For his own label, Kemosabe, whose sole release so far is Ke$ha's "Animal," he'll be working with his latest signings, female singers Sabi and Sophia Black"

 

Also dead at him adding Sabi into the album as a form of self promotion and making Britney say "she discovered her through a mutual friend" ksdjwkdkdk

 

As far as the Teresa songs that we know that made it I think Trouble For Me is the only one confirmed according to Heather Bright who said it was one of the first songs she cut for the album. Based on writers Gasoline (At least Claude Kelly's rough demo), Trip To Your Heart and How I Roll must be from the camp, I have no idea about Inside Out tho, because the instrumental exists since 2009 but no clue when it's lyrics were written and the demo was pitched for Britney, I'm guessing that since Luke and Martin are credited it could be after the Teresa-epoch of FF, maybe November 2010 based on Bonnie's tweets? No idea, but she was writing for Britney before the camp in July of 2010 and after the camp in November of 2010, so there's that... Yeah the timeline is a mess, maybe someone could ask her since she is so transparent about her work 

 

I'm still trying to put my finger on what caused the August delay, Adam Leber was confusing as hell tho, because Darkchild ran his big mouth (as usual) during August saying something was coming in the following weeks and Adam inmediatly denied and said that people who were involved in the project weren't talking about it, yet Darkchild had already recorded songs with Britney for the album, damage control much? Also wonder if Darkchild being like that was the reason why his productions were all only used as bonus tracks, as a sort of punishment for not following team B's requirement of a low profile, maybe the same thing happened with Danja, both talked too much and too early 

 

I also find interesting the Ann tweets, I knew about the 2009 ones but not about the Facebook post revealing they were simultaneously doing tracks for Femme Fatale and TSC? Guess this would make TSC an era of this own then? Ugh.

About the rock song, PlayboyMommy said that Friday I'll Be Over U was for Britney at some point, but it can't be the song Ann is talking about bc it was released at the same time as 3 so unless Ann wasn't aware of it's existence in 2010 things don't add up. What I can confidently say is that the song she's referring to can't be the cover of YOK, bc the tweets are only a few minutes apart and the original one mentions a brand new Britney song for HER NEXT ALBUM, so again, why would she be talking of a cover that was already performed in 2009? Those tweets are pretty much the evidence that supports all the rumors of FF startint as a Pop-Rock album 

 

She recorded at least 2 tracks in February, as far as we know BFB + Will.i.am song 2 (Based on his claims that would be MYB but I don't believe that man at all, I'm sure he said that to shut down the Myah allegations because most fans don't realize that Myah was already doing her thing in FF) and potential last minute inclusions as you said, but the thing that made me see the red flags was that Femme Fatale still didn't have a final tracklist during early February as well, before even recording BFB, which means that there's a bunch of mastered (or 90% finished) songs that almost made it and we don't know anything about.

Having such a strict deadline, yet still tampering with Britney like that to record even more material (that mostly went unused, which shows they weren't actively looking for new stuff) only shows how unprofessional the last stretch of the recording process was and how unappreciated Britney's time was, as if never-ending dance rehearsals weren't enough, guess we can thank Robin and Larry for that magnificent and completely normal working schedule! 

 

 

[WaterDiamonds]

22 minutes ago, BraveNewSeth said:

Hmm, I could maybe agree with this but idk. When you listen to someone like Charli for example, the vocal manipulations on her music are very deliberate. Like you can tell there was actually thought put into it by her and the producers. Then you compare it to Britney during the FF era where she couldn't be arsed to spend a lot of time in the studio (for understandable reasons), and the producers had to make due with whatever they were given. Which lead to heavy amounts of autotune and melodyne, or a heavy reliance on backing vocals from Myah, Nicole, Bonnie, etc. Like she's not even singing the chorus on He About To Lose Me

 

Just my opinion of course!

I think it's a little bit of both actually, I'm sure sometimes they had to work with some very rough takes that couldn't be re-cut due to Britney's insane schedule at the time and bc it's clearly that her team's priority was to record new material instead of perfecting the already recorded one, as I mentioned in the thread, but in other cases you can tell they tweaked her voice in a certain way on purpose because the song required it, one of the things that made me love Britney's music when I first started stanning was the fact that they weren't afraid to use her voice as an instrument, distorting it, screwing it, layering it... no matter how robotic or weird she sounded, it was all made in the name of improving the song overall rather than prove that she could sing, and i feel that's the thing a lot of new artists don't understand, oversinging is a REAL issue in the current Pop industry. 

 

I also thought about adding a small section to the post of parts where Britney isn't singing during the Femme Fatale album, but I fear this would ruin certain songs for a lot of fans and just generate cheap controversy and attacks directed towards Britney despite her not being the one to blame. Thank God I thought about it twice and realized that since I noticed those details I just can't enjoy those songs in the way I used to, and I don't want other B-Army's to feel the same way 

[WaterDiamonds]

10 hours ago, stephen1108 said:

I was good friends with a Darkchild writer back around that time, and they told me the titles of the songs they worked on with Brit months before we knew about them. 
 

"Don't Keep Me Waiting" was one, but there's two more that DC did we never got. "Push My Detonator" which was described as being similar to Telephone production wise, and another one called "Dirty White T-Shirt". I think there could have been one more, but I don't remember the name right now.

 

hopefully they leak one day, I'm confident they exist because I know firsthand who this person is and they are legit. 
 

edit: I knew about "He About To Lose Me" also, because while this individual didn't work on the track, they made the recommendation that Britney record that song 

Honestly, given the nature of this forum and how naive us Britney armies are, I don't know if you're trolling or being dead serious and becoming the world's worst waiter spilling all this hot tea 

 

If you still have a way to contacting the person in question try it bc I would pay some pretty money for them and the fandom deserves more FF material, so you know, if you get any proof or extra info about them my DMs are open for you 

 

[Superbitch]

Omg we need Myah jeans thread

[Jeremiah]

2 hours ago, WaterDiamonds said:

Wow, the Luke/Teresa situation was more messy than I imagined while doing the research, I'm guessing that Teresa stepped back as the executive producer after August of 2010 but Jive was still pleased with her material so asked her to remain as the A&R and host a camp for new songs, and then after October her and Luke had a major disagreement, probably because she didn't want so many of his songs in the project which led to her calling it quits and go with Columbia, that's the only thing I can think of.

 

"In the coming months, Gottwald will co-executive produce Britney Spears' 2011 project, alongside Martin. For his own label, Kemosabe, whose sole release so far is Ke$ha's "Animal," he'll be working with his latest signings, female singers Sabi and Sophia Black"

 

Also dead at him adding Sabi into the album as a form of self promotion and making Britney say "she discovered her through a mutual friend" ksdjwkdkdk

 

As far as the Teresa songs that we know that made it I think Trouble For Me is the only one confirmed according to Heather Bright who said it was one of the first songs she cut for the album. Based on writers Gasoline (At least Claude Kelly's rough demo), Trip To Your Heart and How I Roll must be from the camp, I have no idea about Inside Out tho, because the instrumental exists since 2009 but no clue when it's lyrics were written and the demo was pitched for Britney, I'm guessing that since Luke and Martin are credited it could be after the Teresa-epoch of FF, maybe November 2010 based on Bonnie's tweets? No idea, but she was writing for Britney before the camp in July of 2010 and after the camp in November of 2010, so there's that... Yeah the timeline is a mess, maybe someone could ask her since she is so transparent about her work 

 

I'm still trying to put my finger on what caused the August delay, Adam Leber was confusing as hell tho, because Darkchild ran his big mouth (as usual) during August saying something was coming in the following weeks and Adam inmediatly denied and said that people who were involved in the project weren't talking about it, yet Darkchild had already recorded songs with Britney for the album, damage control much? Also wonder if Darkchild being like that was the reason why his productions were all only used as bonus tracks, as a sort of punishment for not following team B's requirement of a low profile, maybe the same thing happened with Danja, both talked too much and too early 

 

I also find interesting the Ann tweets, I knew about the 2009 ones but not about the Facebook post revealing they were simultaneously doing tracks for Femme Fatale and TSC? Guess this would make TSC an era of this own then? Ugh.

About the rock song, PlayboyMommy said that Friday I'll Be Over U was for Britney at some point, but it can't be the song Ann is talking about bc it was released at the same time as 3 so unless Ann wasn't aware of it's existence in 2010 things don't add up. What I can confidently say is that the song she's referring to can't be the cover of YOK, bc the tweets are only a few minutes apart and the original one mentions a brand new Britney song for HER NEXT ALBUM, so again, why would she be talking of a cover that was already performed in 2009? Those tweets are pretty much the evidence that supports all the rumors of FF startint as a Pop-Rock album 

 

She recorded at least 2 tracks in February, as far as we know BFB + Will.i.am song 2 (Based on his claims that would be MYB but I don't believe that man at all, I'm sure he said that to shut down the Myah allegations because most fans don't realize that Myah was already doing her thing in FF) and potential last minute inclusions as you said, but the thing that made me see the red flags was that Femme Fatale still didn't have a final tracklist during early February as well, before even recording BFB, which means that there's a bunch of mastered (or 90% finished) songs that almost made it and we don't know anything about.

Having such a strict deadline, yet still tampering with Britney like that to record even more material (that mostly went unused, which shows they weren't actively looking for new stuff) only shows how unprofessional the last stretch of the recording process was and how unappreciated Britney's time was, as if never-ending dance rehearsals weren't enough, guess we can thank Robin and Larry for that magnificent and completely normal working schedule! 

 

 

I wish Teresa would speak on it. It's so funny to me she'd talk about the writing camps and how fun it all was and that she loves Britney but not address what happened next and why she's not on the album credits lmao.

 

"Trouble For Me" is certainly from early 2010. Livvi Franc also teased it in May 2010 and provided a little interview for a fansite.

 

"Inside Out" definitely is imo from when Dr. Luke was in the picture. He brought Billboard (the producer), who I think signed with Luke's company. Here's also tweets by Dr. Luke about hitting the studio:

 

 

Nicole Morier explained on TikTok how "How I Roll" came to be (video 1, video 2), saying she was together with Bloodshy & Avant and Bonnie McKee. To my knowledge, B&A didn't attend the camps but Bonnie tweeted to be in the studio with them in December:

 

Watching Coco's TikToks talking about Bonnie's magical input, maybe Bonnie was talking about "How I Roll" with this other tweet:

 

But it's just hypotheses.

 

Now, about Darkchild... Here's a little timeline I've got:

• Nov 26, 2009: "In the studio creating a smash for Britney right now!!! Got the call this morning!!! January we start!!! Rj" (Twitter)
• Dec 22, 2009: "In the studio writing a sick song with @Michaelashiloh to present to @britneyspears in 2010. Hope she likes it! It feels like a BIG SMASH!!" (Twitter)
• May 3, 2010: Talks about meeting with Larry Rudolph recently and discussing the directions of Britney's new album (Video (4:04))
• Jun 25, 2010: "Britney fans are gonna be so happy in a few weeks" (Unavailable Ustream video)
• Aug 4, 2010: Contacted by MTV News, detracts from his statements after Adam Leber denied music news (MTV News)
• Oct 16, 2010: "Had a great session this afternoon with @TravisBarker He was slaying the drums today!!!" (Twitter) (This is why I think DKMW is from late 2010)
• Oct 18, 2010: Ina Wroldsen tweeted to be with him but damn, seems like she deleted her account now 

 

I wouldn't make conclusions with these yet tbh but gives an idea.

 

 

The Ann tweets now reminded me of the ones by Chloe Woods, who was some sort of Jive employee that'd be with Britney around the time. She talked about Britney's Grammy appearance and dying her hair dark so I think she was legit. Here's what she tweeted in late 2009:

 

 

 

On an alleged deleted tweet she described the music as "It has some arabic beats, like Aaliyah has in her music...can't wait for you guys to hear it!" (Source)

 

 

So maybe an album was indeed already in development in 2009 with plans for a 2010 release.

 

Funny you mention "Friday I'll Be Over You" because I have this other theory that "Time Machine" (by Robyn) was for Britney too. It was registered along with all the other Max/Kotecha/Amber songs and without Robyn, which has a different registered entry with her credited.

 

[Jeremiah]

4 hours ago, WaterDiamonds said:

I think it's a little bit of both actually, I'm sure sometimes they had to work with some very rough takes that couldn't be re-cut due to Britney's insane schedule at the time and bc it's clearly that her team's priority was to record new material instead of perfecting the already recorded one, as I mentioned in the thread, but in other cases you can tell they tweaked her voice in a certain way on purpose because the song required it, one of the things that made me love Britney's music when I first started stanning was the fact that they weren't afraid to use her voice as an instrument, distorting it, screwing it, layering it... no matter how robotic or weird she sounded, it was all made in the name of improving the song overall rather than prove that she could sing, and i feel that's the thing a lot of new artists don't understand, oversinging is a REAL issue in the current Pop industry. 

 

I also thought about adding a small section to the post of parts where Britney isn't singing during the Femme Fatale album, but I fear this would ruin certain songs for a lot of fans and just generate cheap controversy and attacks directed towards Britney despite her not being the one to blame. Thank God I thought about it twice and realized that since I noticed those details I just can't enjoy those songs in the way I used to, and I don't want other B-Army's to feel the same way 

Britney loves playing with her voice. I remember this quote from her:

 

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Blackout was the first time I worked with Danja, and he gave me the opportunity and freedom to work with more urban sounds and influences. It really inspired me! I also got the chance to sing more and stretch my voice in ways I hadn't done before. The magic of Blackout was actually pretty simple. It just wasn't so thought out. I just did what I felt and it worked. Sometimes less is more I guess.

 

The Fader (2017)

And Tom's Diner is just the perfect example of her love for a filter effect.

Edited Sunday at 07:58 PM by Jeremiah

[shark_heather]

Loved it 

 

Can you do one for Blackout and Circus as well ? 

 

Im pretty sure there were so many things goin on behind the scenes 

[Jeremiah]

15 hours ago, stephen1108 said:

I was good friends with a Darkchild writer back around that time, and they told me the titles of the songs they worked on with Brit months before we knew about them. 
 

"Don't Keep Me Waiting" was one, but there's two more that DC did we never got. "Push My Detonator" which was described as being similar to Telephone production wise, and another one called "Dirty White T-Shirt". I think there could have been one more, but I don't remember the name right now.

 

hopefully they leak one day, I'm confident they exist because I know firsthand who this person is and they are legit. 
 

edit: I knew about "He About To Lose Me" also, because while this individual didn't work on the track, they made the recommendation that Britney record that song 

Is your friend Michaela Shiloh?

 

She wrote on Don't Keep Me Waiting and has registered on BMI a song with Darkchild called "Detonator". She has backing vocals on He About To Lose Me, and wrote Glow In The Dark which is HATLM's twin and allegedly meant for Britney too.

 

There's also registered "White T Shirt" by Darkchild and Muni Long. And "Drop It Low" (alt name "T Shirt") by Darkchild and Ina Wroldsen.

Edited Sunday at 08:31 PM by Jeremiah

[WaterDiamonds]

21 minutes ago, Jeremiah said:

I wish Teresa would speak on it. It's so funny to me she'd talk about the writing camps and how fun it all was and that she loves Britney but not address what happened next and why she's not on the album credits lmao.

 

"Trouble For Me" is certainly from early 2010. Livvi Franc also teased it in May 2010 and provided a little interview for a fansite.

 

"Inside Out" definitely is imo from when Dr. Luke was in the picture. He brought Billboard (the producer), who I think signed with Luke's company. Here's also tweets by Dr. Luke about hitting the studio:

 

 

Nicole Morier explained on TikTok how "How I Roll" came to be (video 1, video 2), saying she was together with Bloodshy & Avant and Bonnie McKee. To my knowledge, B&A didn't attend the camps but Bonnie tweeted to be in the studio with them in December:

 

Watching Coco's TikToks talking about Bonnie's magical input, maybe Bonnie was talking about "How I Roll" with this other tweet:

 

But it's just hypotheses.

 

Now, about Darkchild... Here's a little timeline I've got:

• Nov 26, 2009: "In the studio creating a smash for Britney right now!!! Got the call this morning!!! January we start!!! Rj" (Twitter)
• Dec 22, 2009: "In the studio writing a sick song with @Michaelashiloh to present to @britneyspears in 2010. Hope she likes it! It feels like a BIG SMASH!!" (Twitter)
• May 3, 2010: Talks about meeting with Larry Rudolph recently and discussing the directions of Britney's new album (Video (4:04))
• Jun 25, 2010: "Britney fans are gonna be so happy in a few weeks" (Unavailable Ustream video)
• Aug 4, 2010: Contacted by MTV News, detracts from his statements after Adam Leber denied music news (MTV News)
• Oct 16, 2010: "Had a great session this afternoon with @TravisBarker He was slaying the drums today!!!" (Twitter) (This is why I think DKMW is from late 2010)
• Oct 18, 2010: Ina Wroldsen tweeted to be with him but damn, seems like she deleted her account now 

 

I wouldn't make conclusions with these yet tbh but gives an idea.

 

 

The Ann tweets now reminded me of the ones by Chloe Woods, who was some sort of Jive employee that'd be with Britney around the time. She talked about Britney's Grammy appearance and dying her hair dark so I think she was legit. Here's what she tweeted in late 2009:

 

 

 

On an alleged deleted tweet she described the music as "It has some arabic beats, like Aaliyah has in her music...can't wait for you guys to hear it!" (Source)

 

 

So maybe an album was indeed already in development in 2009 with plans for a 2010 release.

 

Funny you mention "Friday I'll Be Over You" because I have this other theory that "Time Machine" (by Robyn) was for Britney too. It was registered along with all the other Max/Kotecha/Amber songs and without Robyn, which has a different registered entry with her credited.

 

The way you always come in hot with the receipts, ugh I LOVE IT 

 

Teresa knew better than to speak ill of Dr Luke who at the time was the biggest producer in the industry and being a business woman she most likely realized that having him as an enemy wasn't a smart choice when probably lots of artists wanted to work with him at the time, and as an A&R it was part of her job to have at least a cordial relationship with all writers and producers, that's why I think she didn't say a thing of why she had to step back of FF.

 

Intrusive thought, but I wonder at which point the name of "Femme Fatale" was chosen for the project, because the final iteration of the album doesn't have the femme fatale theme in any song (Well, maybe Scary and Selfish but that's pretty much it). I know Bonnie did a demo called FF but idk when or why, wonder if Britney stablished she wanted the album to be called FF at some point and it was left like that despite the songs not fitting the concept at all 

 

Billboard also was one of Luke's protegees at the time along with Benny Blanco, so he was definetly brought in after September, you're right, I also remember him saying that Luke and Max didn't deserve a producer credit on Inside Out or something like that, I don't know where, maybe I'm having a lapsus.

 

After watching the Tik Toks the Bonnie tweet completely adds up based on what Coco said, so yeah, December of 2010 sounds like a good guess for when HIR was written, considering Bloodshy is also the producer of TTYH it must be from those writing sessions as well so they're most likely not Teresa tracks. Also intrigued about the opera part Bonnie's talking about, wonder if it was for an actual song pitched for Britney or if they were just being silly.

 

Talking about Darkchild, Mickey Shiloh, the girl he mentions is credited both in HATLM and DKMW as a writer and background vocalist, so them being early session tracks would make a lot of sense to me because they're not even remotely similar to the other songs in the album, even though you say you think DKMW is probably from 2010, my theory is that the song was shelved for a while and then reworked and Travis Barker was called to drum on it. Also Darkchild backing off bc Adam told him to shut up and probably threatened him in private is still so funny to me, he's such a silly goose haha.

 

I'll have to do a little background check on that Cloe before jumping to conclusions, but my theory around the Max Martin tracks from 2009 is that Team B hit him up right after the first leg of the Circus Tour finished to have some new material ready for her and he organized a small writing retreat with Shellback, Savan Kotecha and Tifanny Amber to have as many songs ready to go as possible before Britney was ready to record, and she probably kept recording her on her own during August-December of 2009 based on prior evidence. Wouldn't be surprised if Time Machine or even Bigger by the Backstreet Boys were byproducts of those sessions 

 

(BTW did you see that reply made by a guy earlier that said he had contact with one of DarkChild's protegeés and he told him about two songs called Push My Detonator and Dirty White T-shirt? what do you think)

[WaterDiamonds]

Just now, WaterDiamonds said:

The way you always come in hot with the receipts, ugh I LOVE IT 

 

Teresa knew better than to speak ill of Dr Luke who at the time was the biggest producer in the industry and being a business woman she most likely realized that having him as an enemy wasn't a smart choice when probably lots of artists wanted to work with him at the time, and as an A&R it was part of her job to have at least a cordial relationship with all writers and producers, that's why I think she didn't say a thing of why she had to step back of FF.

 

Intrusive thought, but I wonder at which point the name of "Femme Fatale" was chosen for the project, because the final iteration of the album doesn't have the femme fatale theme in any song (Well, maybe Scary and Selfish but that's pretty much it). I know Bonnie did a demo called FF but idk when or why, wonder if Britney stablished she wanted the album to be called FF at some point and it was left like that despite the songs not fitting the concept at all 

 

Billboard also was one of Luke's protegees at the time along with Benny Blanco, so he was definetly brought in after September, you're right, I also remember him saying that Luke and Max didn't deserve a producer credit on Inside Out or something like that, I don't know where, maybe I'm having a lapsus.

 

After watching the Tik Toks the Bonnie tweet completely adds up based on what Coco said, so yeah, December of 2010 sounds like a good guess for when HIR was written, considering Bloodshy is also the producer of TTYH it must be from those writing sessions as well so they're most likely not Teresa tracks. Also intrigued about the opera part Bonnie's talking about, wonder if it was for an actual song pitched for Britney or if they were just being silly.

 

Talking about Darkchild, Mickey Shiloh, the girl he mentions is credited both in HATLM and DKMW as a writer and background vocalist, so them being early session tracks would make a lot of sense to me because they're not even remotely similar to the other songs in the album, even though you say you think DKMW is probably from 2010, my theory is that the song was shelved for a while and then reworked and Travis Barker was called to drum on it. Also Darkchild backing off bc Adam told him to shut up and probably threatened him in private is still so funny to me, he's such a silly goose haha.

 

I'll have to do a little background check on that Cloe before jumping to conclusions, but my theory around the Max Martin tracks from 2009 is that Team B hit him up right after the first leg of the Circus Tour finished to have some new material ready for her and he organized a small writing retreat with Shellback, Savan Kotecha and Tifanny Amber to have as many songs ready to go as possible before Britney was ready to record, and she probably kept recording her on her own during August-December of 2009 based on prior evidence. Wouldn't be surprised if Time Machine or even Bigger by the Backstreet Boys were byproducts of those sessions 

 

(BTW did you see that reply made by a guy earlier that said he had contact with one of DarkChild's protegeés and he told him about two songs called Push My Detonator and Dirty White T-shirt? what do you think)

NM you already got his tea LMAO

[WaterDiamonds]

1 hour ago, Superbitch said:

Omg we need Myah jeans thread

I don't know if I'm mentally prepared to relive what that album did to my psyche and unearth all the horrors it hides...

[Jeremiah]

1 hour ago, WaterDiamonds said:

Intrusive thought, but I wonder at which point the name of "Femme Fatale" was chosen for the project, because the final iteration of the album doesn't have the femme fatale theme in any song (Well, maybe Scary and Selfish but that's pretty much it). I know Bonnie did a demo called FF but idk when or why, wonder if Britney stablished she wanted the album to be called FF at some point and it was left like that despite the songs not fitting the concept at all 

I wonder if it's possible to check the metadata of that Bonnie demo and extract a date.

 

1 hour ago, WaterDiamonds said:

After watching the Tik Toks the Bonnie tweet completely adds up based on what Coco said, so yeah, December of 2010 sounds like a good guess for when HIR was written, considering Bloodshy is also the producer of TTYH it must be from those writing sessions as well so they're most likely not Teresa tracks. Also intrigued about the opera part Bonnie's talking about, wonder if it was for an actual song pitched for Britney or if they were just being silly.

Didn't think too much on the opera part before but I guess they were just playing around, although Bonnie revealed this year a second title involving all of them: "Overdrive".

 

1 hour ago, WaterDiamonds said:

Talking about Darkchild, Mickey Shiloh, the girl he mentions is credited both in HATLM and DKMW as a writer and background vocalist, so them being early session tracks would make a lot of sense to me because they're not even remotely similar to the other songs in the album, even though you say you think DKMW is probably from 2010, my theory is that the song was shelved for a while and then reworked and Travis Barker was called to drum on it. Also Darkchild backing off bc Adam told him to shut up and probably threatened him in private is still so funny to me, he's such a silly goose haha.

I really wonder what date the Darkchild songs are from, because he seems to had been present at all stages of the process. Lowkey embarrassing he let Britney's team to tame and disown him like that... you're a PRO mega producer, man, respect yourself. But I guess he feared to get axed again like in Circus.

 

1 hour ago, WaterDiamonds said:

(BTW did you see that reply made by a guy earlier that said he had contact with one of DarkChild's protegeés and he told him about two songs called Push My Detonator and Dirty White T-shirt? what do you think)

I think he needs to spill MORE!

[SchmoodRing]

11 hours ago, campelo said:

drop dead deserved to be a collab with ciara or the pussycat dolls (who open for her at the circus tour)

 

wait was drop dead beautiful meant to be a Britney and Ciara collab because back in the day they both got alot of the same demos and it was such a missed opportunity to get a collab between them two for example

 

Pucker Up (Circus/ Fantasy Ride)

FX, Drop It Flow (Femme Fatale/ Basic Instinct)

 

Missed opportunity for a pop culture moment 

[WaterDiamonds]

2 minutes ago, SchmoodRing said:

wait was drop dead beautiful meant to be a Britney and Ciara collab because back in the day they both got alot of the same demos and it was such a missed opportunity to get a collab between them two for example

 

Pucker Up (Circus/ Fantasy Ride)

FX, Drop It Flow (Femme Fatale/ Basic Instinct)

 

Missed opportunity for a pop culture moment 

Nah Drop Dead was a Chris Brown reject reworked in a female POV, never for Ciara 

[SchmoodRing]

2 minutes ago, WaterDiamonds said:

Nah Drop Dead was a Chris Brown reject reworked in a female POV, never for Ciara 

Ah ok. I know I get that. But I'm just saying do you think it would've been possible for Drop Dead to be a duet between Britney and Ciara

[WaterDiamonds]

Just now, SchmoodRing said:

Ah ok. I know I get that. But I'm just saying do you think it would've been possible for Drop Dead to be a duet between Britney and Ciara

Idk I'm not a big Ci fan, I have no idea of how she'd sound on it if I'm being real 

[SchmoodRing]

2 minutes ago, WaterDiamonds said:

Idk I'm not a big Ci fan, I have no idea of how she'd sound on it if I'm being real 

Listen to Pucker Up by Ciara on her Fantastic Ride album that was a Circus reject and she slides on the production and you'll get an idea 

[WaterDiamonds]

21 minutes ago, Jeremiah said:

I wonder if it's possible to check the metadata of that Bonnie demo and extract a date.

 

Didn't think too much on the opera part before but I guess they were just playing around, although Bonnie revealed this year a second title involving all of them: "Overdrive".

 

I really wonder what date the Darkchild songs are from, because he seems to had been present at all stages of the process. Lowkey embarrassing he let Britney's team to tame and disown him like that... you're a PRO mega producer, man, respect yourself. But I guess he feared to get axed again like in Circus.

 

I think he needs to spill MORE!

Idk honestly I'd just ask Bonnie on Tik Tok about when FF title track was made, she loves replying to fans asking about the most insignificant details of her music, bet she'd even do a whole series talking about her experience writing for Femme Fatale is someone asked her, I would do it myself but I don't know how to use Tik Tok so I mostly watch her stuff on Youtube reels LMFAO

 

Yeah I remember something about Overdrive, bet many people have it in their vaults since at some point Bonnie's material used to be like spare change for traders because of how easy to get it was, and honestly all of the Bonnie x Coco demos are smashes, specially License To Love and Dance For Die.

 

Tbh I'd be a ***** like him too if I had to work with Britney, he knew his paycheck was on thin ice and he had to swallow his pride this time. Too bad he's no longer the master of yappery he once was bc I'd love to hear his stories with Britney, and I'd like to know if he actually worked with her during the X Factor days or if he was just there bc he had nothing better to do than to visit her old pal B 

 

And let's hope the DarkChild guy comes back alive to this forum bc I need DETAILS 

[WaterDiamonds]

11 minutes ago, SchmoodRing said:

Listen to Pucker Up by Ciara on her Fantastic Ride album that was a Circus reject and she slides on the production and you'll get an idea 

Oh I listened to her version of Pucker Up before... I didn't quite like it, I feel it pales in comparison to the Kalenna demo, sorry 

[Jeremiah]

6 minutes ago, WaterDiamonds said:

Tbh I'd be a ***** like him too if I had to work with Britney, he knew his paycheck was on thin ice and he had to swallow his pride this time. Too bad he's no longer the master of yappery he once was bc I'd love to hear his stories with Britney, and I'd like to know if he actually worked with her during the X Factor days or if he was just there bc he had nothing better to do than to visit her old pal B 

He said this on a May 2013 interview:

 

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Q: What upcoming projects can you share? Are you working with Britney Spears? Mariah Carey?

 

RJ: I was working with Britney actually at the end of the year.  She had me come on X-Factor show and do something with her, so we'll see what happens if we get a chance to work together.  I am working with Mariah, I am working with Jennifer Lopez.  I just finished a couple songs with Jessie J over in London and I also wrote a couple of songs that are being considered for Rihanna's new album, so there's a lot of good stuff happening so we'll see…I'm always busy, but it's all good, never too busy for my baby.

 

The Source (2013)

Not sure if he was keeping a low profile or his work with Britney at the time wasn't much. When Elijah Blake talked about the Darkchild songs for Britney, it sounded more serious/promising.

Also, this year Joakim Haukaas did an interview (revealing Lil Wayne was originally the feature on "Tik Tik Boom") and mentioned Darkchild was among the producers for the album:

 

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How did the Britney team get in touch with your material?

 

Via via via via and then suddenly I found myself working on tons of potential Britney songs back and forth over the internet with the will.i.am (and also darkchild) camp.

 

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