news Pelosi in denial about 2024, drags Biden/Bernie/Trump, hints Kamala 2028

[jakeisphat]

In a New York Times interview, Nancy Pelosi was asked about the Democratic Party's 2024 nightmare performance and expressed some... interesting takes:

 

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But do you think the timing hobbled Harris? Because she had 100 days to get a campaign off the ground, to mobilize people, to get her message across, to get herself known. This was an incredibly truncated campaign, and many people think that maybe she was set up to fail just by the timeline alone.

I don't think she was set up to fail, but let me just say this: We're only a couple of days since the election. There'll be many reviews of timing and the who, what, when, why and where as we go forward. And books will be written about it. The fact is she did a great job with the time constraint that she had. Had the president gotten out sooner, there may have been other candidates in the race. Kamala, I think, still would have won, but she may have been stronger, having taken her case to the public sooner.

 

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Should there have been an open primary, though?

Well, see, we thought that there would be. The anticipation was that, if the president were to step aside, that there would be an open primary. And as I say, Kamala may have, I think she would have done well in that and been stronger going forward. But we don't know that. That didn't happen. We live with what happened. And because the president endorsed Kamala Harris immediately, that really made it almost impossible to have a primary at that time. If it had been much earlier, it would have been different. But that's not, we're not here to agonize. We're here, again, to organize on how we go forward. We're going to have fresh, new talent — perhaps Kamala among them, that's up to her — to go forward for the next election. But I think people need a little rest from elections right now. We're still fighting to win the House, so we're not finished with our race. But, it's a pretty exciting road ahead, and time goes by quite quickly.

 

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House races are run very locally. They message specifically for their district. But the brand of the Democratic Party overall seems to have been hurt this election cycle.

Well, we lost the presidential election, [but] in many cases, our Democrats in the House ran ahead of the presidential ticket. So, your branding that we all got rejected, we didn't. We're still in the fight right now, and it's going to be a very close call. I don't see it as an outright rejection of the Democratic Party. Now, I do have a discomfort level with some of the Democrats right now who are saying, "Oh, we abandoned the working class." No, we didn't. That's who we are. We are the kitchen table, working-class party of America. And that's why we are a close call in the House right now in a year where the map is bright red across the board.

 

I want to pick up on this working-class issue because, in a statement after the election, Senator Bernie Sanders said, "It should come as no great surprise that a Democratic Party, which has abandoned working-class people, would find that the working-class has abandoned them." And Joe Manchin, who's now an independent, but was an important moderate Democrat for years, also weighed in and had a similar diagnosis of what went wrong and that was that the party doesn't stand for what it used to.

Well, I just completely disagree. And, in fact, Kamala Harris ran ahead of Bernie Sanders in Vermont.

 

Then why did voters —

Go ask Bernie Sanders. Bernie Sanders has not won. Let me, with all due respect, and I have a great deal of respect for him, for what he stands for, but I don't respect him saying that the Democratic Party has abandoned the working-class families. That's where we are. For example, under President Biden, you see the rescue package, money in the pockets of people, shots in the arm, children in school safely, working people back to work. What did, what's his name? What did Trump do when he was president? One bill that gave a tax cut to the richest people in America.

 

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I want to make sure I'm understanding where you're at in this moment. You say the Democrats had a strong case for working-class voters.

Yes.

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OK. So do you feel that Harris was weighed down by Biden's record or the perception of Biden's record?

I think that any vice president is, like it or not, tied to the record of the president. I think what Biden did was great, and being tied to his record is a great thing but not the way the record was perceived. This is a record of job creation. Sixteen million jobs as opposed to the record of her opponent who had the worst job-creation record since Herbert Hoover. Yes, 16 million jobs, turning around inflation, all the things that we did to build the infrastructure of America, reduce the cost of prescription drugs.

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A lot of Democrats stayed home. That's what the numbers show: that there wasn't as robust a turnout as had been hoped. Why do you think that was? 

In some places it was because there weren't really races. You know, in other words, they use examples of some big cities. There were no races that mattered. Who would be president was clear in their state and also in terms of Congress and other races, there was clearly going to be Democratic. So some people were not motivated to turn out, but that's not unusual.

 

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Trump performed 20 percentage points better in the Bronx and Queens than he did in 2020. So I guess my question is: Is this the Trump effect — that he is just a uniquely popular person — or is this something that the Democrats aren't doing right?

No, we did it right. We won four seats in New York. You need to focus where you need to focus to win. And the focus was in those seats. New York knew it was going to go for the Democrat. It was going to go for Kamala Harris. So, within the state, we were focusing on how we increase the number of House races. So we go to those districts. And we go to those districts, and we won those districts.

 

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I don't have to tell you that right now it's pretty ugly among Democrats. There's a lot of blame going around. There's a lot of reflection happening. And there's a lot of discussion about how the party rebuilds after this and how does it not tear itself apart.

Well, I disagree. I don't think it's very ugly among Democrats now. Yeah, we don't like losing. I was on a meeting this morning, which I don't talk about what happens at a caucus meeting, but I can say it was unified and respectful of what the responsibilities that we have to go forward, praiseworthy of our leadership. It was long, and people took their time to tell how they saw things. And it was, in my view, as unifying as I've ever seen it. And it wasn't without concern. It wasn't without wisdom and intelligence about what happened. It wasn't Pollyanna-ish, but it was productive and it was about how we go forward to be bipartisan where we can, be transparent in all cases, accountable to the public, but prepare to win the next time. So, yeah, we don't like losing, and there are people who professionally go around saying what Bernie said and what some press say, but I don't think it's ugly in the Democratic Party now at all.

 

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https://www.nytimes.com/2024/11/09/magazine/nancy-pelosi-election-interview.html

 

[Prodigal Self]

5 minutes ago, jakeisphat said:

praiseworthy of our leadership.

you old ass *****

[Arrows]

"Why did the Democrats lose ground in most areas?"

"That was all planned! We didn't focus on those areas"

 

What?

Edited November 9 by Arrows

[Abracadabra]

As much as I think Kamala would have been infinitely better than Tr*mp, there's no way she should run again in 2028. If it didn't work now it won't work then. The Dems really need to stop ******* around and stop running candidates who are polarising and be more tactical about it.

[Flanders]

Nancy Pelosi is a great politician but she's completely out of touch with anyone under 50   Time to step down and allow the party to transform

[IBeMe]

We don't need another go round of Kamala. Sorry. She represents the establishment and CLEARLY ppl want populism. We need a leftie/progressive economic populist the same way the republicans got a right wing populist through Trump. 

[DAP]

Now there's the idiot hag I know and deride. 

[Marianah Adkins]

Does she want to humiliate Kamala again? This old ghoul should let her go and let her run for CA governor if she loves her so much.

 

She did her part during the 2000s and 2010s, but its time for new leadership. 

[shyboi]

She keeps repeating that Biden should've dropped out earlier but for months she tried to convince everybody that Biden was fresher than Tyla in the water music video and he was at his physical and mental PEAK 

[BGKC]

Democrats have a humiliation fetish. 

[HausOfPunk]

"Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result."

[vuelve88]

So the DNC already picked Kamala for 2028… 

[Uncatena]

and this is why the Democratic Party is unsalvageable. absolutely ZERO introspection. 

[Trent W]

Old people are just incapable of learning something new

 

This is proof

[Minto]

kamala could've won with a far more extensive campaign and without associating with biden but there's no chance of her taking 2028 and she shouldn't even bother attempting. pelosi needs to stop.

 

[TaggedGalaxy]

They will continue to lose as long as they refuse to address the issues of why they are losing. Bernie spoke nothing but facts and as usual they will ignore him

[Moloko Plus]

Thank God Pelosi won't be alive in 2028

[Moloko Plus]

There's absolutely ZERO chance Kamala runs in 2028 as the nominee considering she'd have to win the primary; she was so unpopular during the 2020 primary that she dropped out before voting even began.

 

But watch the Democrats find some loophole and install whatever puppet they want as their nominee and completely bypass a primary process  I wouldn't be surprised

[Moloko Plus]

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Well, I just completely disagree. And, in fact, Kamala Harris ran ahead of Bernie Sanders in Vermont.

What a disgusting wench

[Cloudy]

This woman honestly disgusts me, I always feel there's something very evil in her

[Virgos Groove]

Just now, Cloudy said:

This woman honestly disgusts me, I always feel there's something very evil in her

She's Don Corleone with a bob.

[Cruel Summer]

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I don't see it as an outright rejection of the Democratic Party. Now, I do have a discomfort level with some of the Democrats right now who are saying, "Oh, we abandoned the working class." No, we didn't. That's who we are. We are the kitchen table, working-class party of America. And that's why we are a close call in the House right now in a year where the map is bright red across the board.

Oh honey, the working class did not vote for you. They do not see you as the working class party anymore. The results and exit polls are almost obnoxiously clear.

 

She can sit there and whine about Bernie being completely correct all she wants, but her version of the Democratic Party is currently attending its own long, drawn out funeral. Her take legitimately no longer matters if she can't even muster the integrity to admit the actual problem.

[Novacaine]

I pray they don't mess this up. JD Vance is beatable especially as a follow-up candidate to Trump. The MAGAS will see it's back to having a "boring" and average candidate. 

[Princess Aurora]

The way Trumpet and Pelosi have somewhat similar personalities. No wonder why they hate each other, they were having a mid-off back in 2019 

[DougAF]

No democratic candidate would have won this time around. Period. People still attribute this economy to democrats and don't understand the effect the pandemic had on the cost of living.