Popular Post welham Posted November 9 Popular Post Posted November 9 The more and more information comes out, and from what is already out, and the behavior of so many Democrat officials makes me convinced that at least some of them either don't care or actively tried to lose The whole party needs to be rebuilt from scratch, it's too far gone at this point. The country needs actual opposition that fights for the people. 17 1
Timber Posted November 9 Posted November 9 Nothin' really is For things to stay the same, they have to change again Hello, my old friend You change your name but not the ways you play pretend American Requiem Them big ideas (yeah) are buried here (yeah) Amen 2 1
byzantium Posted November 9 Posted November 9 (edited) Honestly, the fact that he was fear mongering to Americans that this is the "fight for democracy" while this was his internal polling should be crime. He are in this mess because of the ego of an old, selfish man. Edited November 9 by byzantium 3 1 3
Popular Post PoisonPill Posted November 9 Popular Post Posted November 9 First they conspired to suffocate any primary challenge to Biden, despite being historically unpopular and despite pledging to be a transitional president. Then they conspired to conceal Biden's deteriorating condition and inability to run a coherent campaign. When the severity of his condition was finally exposed to the country, they doubled down and lied that he was "sharper than ever." Finally, only 100 days out from the election, they launched an internal coup to push him out and anoint a new candidate who never received a single primary vote. The Democratic Party owns this loss and they can't blame anyone but themselves. The entire apparatus needs to be burned down and rebuilt from scratch. 28 1
Popular Post TROPICUM Posted November 9 Popular Post Posted November 9 the more stuff leaks from his administration and his team, the more he will be hated in the future he could've had a cute term, say he's not running again, have the dems find someone new or let Harris have a 2-yr old campaign instead of a 4 month one, keep his title as president well received, and have the right to say he was the person that ended trumpism instead his selfishness threw the US and the world into an even worse right-lean hell hole 17
bunnyeyes Posted November 9 Posted November 9 We need Harris to leak more! I wouldn't be surprised if we get stories distancing the two and depicting her disagreeing with him in private but being trapped, over the next couple of years. 1
Achilles. Posted November 9 Posted November 9 I can't tell if Biden is a delusional narcissist whose ego refused to allow him to not seek reelection, or if he was pressured by his staff to run again, or if there was always an establishment plan to deny us a primary to force Kamala on voters at the last minute. I mean, a sitting VP would have been heavily favored in a primary anyways but she also would have been carrying Biden's unpopularity like an anchor… I can believe that Biden's numbers looked that bad though. Ultimately making the change was still worthwhile. The party establishment's reaction to losing twice as badly as Kamala did would have been horrible to behold, and Kamala probably saved a handful of our senators. 4
Junipero Posted November 9 Posted November 9 14 minutes ago, bunnyeyes said: We need Harris to leak more! I wouldn't be surprised if we get stories distancing the two and depicting her disagreeing with him in private but being trapped, over the next couple of years. Weren't those the rumors back when they told Biden to step down? Apparently there was Nacy Pelosi telling him to not run; we also allegedly had Kamala's advisors arguing to Biden and that it is his time to step down. Then we also had that rumor where Chuck Schumer was going to have a mini-Cacus to find the next nominee(which is why Newsom flew to DC a few days before Biden stepped down), but then Biden endorsed Kamala, so the party had to run with Kamala. I heard that behind closed doors that Obama was not happy that Kamala was chosen.
bunnyeyes Posted November 9 Posted November 9 1 minute ago, Junipero said: Weren't those the rumors back when they told Biden to step down? Apparently there was Nacy Pelosi telling him to not run; we also allegedly had Kamala's advisors arguing to Biden and that it is his time to step down. Then we also had that rumor where Chuck Schumer was going to have a mini-Cacus to find the next nominee(which is why Newsom flew to DC a few days before Biden stepped down), but then Biden endorsed Kamala, so the party had to run with Kamala. I heard that behind closed doors that Obama was not happy that Kamala was chosen. my understanding is she got the endorsement in exchange for "protecting" Biden's legacy in her campaign. 1
Harrier Posted November 9 Posted November 9 This is why no matter what the girls say I will never blame Kamala. It's Biden. His arrogance is what brought us all to this horrendous moment. 8
Rotunda Posted November 9 Posted November 9 Wasn't there reporting that Biden was so incomprehensible during a meeting with Congressional Dems that he didn't address them again for like a year. The right was correct about one thing, and that's that Dems definitely covered Biden's cognitive decline. The debate and the ensuing **** show was all the fault of Biden and his circle that wanted to cling to power instead of calling for a primary process years ago. 12
Letters From Adi Posted November 9 Posted November 9 Dem supporters should go back to the drawing table and fix the mess of their party first before coming to ask for votes.
Distantconstellation Posted November 9 Posted November 9 1 hour ago, Achilles. said: I can't tell if Biden is a delusional narcissist whose ego refused to allow him to not seek reelection, or if he was pressured by his staff to run again, or if there was always an establishment plan to deny us a primary to force Kamala on voters at the last minute. I mean, a sitting VP would have been heavily favored in a primary anyways but she also would have been carrying Biden's unpopularity like an anchor… I can believe that Biden's numbers looked that bad though. Ultimately making the change was still worthwhile. The party establishment's reaction to losing twice as badly as Kamala did would have been horrible to behold, and Kamala probably saved a handful of our senators. I heard all that too today when I watched Kyle Kulinski (secular talk) on youtube.
Rep2000 Posted November 9 Posted November 9 (edited) Release the Leak (Kamala's Version), Kamala! Also when did this poll take place? When Trump was shot (the 1st time)? I know polls said that didn't move his base much, but the polls also have consistently underestimated the Trump's base 3 elections in a row now. Even the Magas are bloating about lying in polls right now on twitter to skew the results. Edited November 9 by Rep2000 1
Velvet Night Posted November 9 Posted November 9 So they knew they were throwing away Kamala and tossed her in front of the bus at the eleventh hour with the albatross around her neck from being in the Biden administration. They sacrificed her. Now she can take all the blame.
GiselleBeyince Posted November 9 Posted November 9 There should be an investigation into the last year of his presidency. We deserve to know the state of his cognitive decline. The way the White House and Democratic establishment hid the truth and installed Kamala, knowing they didn't have a chance, w/ a primary was manipulative and wrong. 1
ClashAndBurn Posted November 9 Posted November 9 26 minutes ago, Velvet Night said: So they knew they were throwing away Kamala and tossed her in front of the bus at the eleventh hour with the albatross around her neck from being in the Biden administration. They sacrificed her. Now she can take all the blame. To be honest, it certainly seems that way. The early debate where he exposed his senility to the public being a thing at all is actually really sus. 2
Virgos Groove Posted November 9 Posted November 9 When friends fall out, the truth comes out. We need the tell-all books to be released and for the entire DNC to be purged.
Virgos Groove Posted November 9 Posted November 9 5 hours ago, Velvet Night said: So they knew they were throwing away Kamala and tossed her in front of the bus at the eleventh hour with the albatross around her neck from being in the Biden administration. They sacrificed her. Now she can take all the blame. And if Nancy is to be believed, Biden's camp rushed to endorse Kamala, meaning there was no chance of a primary. They either conspired with Kamala's camp to put her in that position or actively threw her under the bus.
DevilsRollTheDice Posted November 9 Posted November 9 (edited) Insane. I know people will continue to bemoan the perceived mistakes of the Harris campaign, but it's actually genuinely impressive how well she did compared to this possibility. She'll lose Wisconsin by less than 1%, Michigan by just over 1%, and Pennsylvania by ~2%. Traditional political fundamentals signaled a Republican blowout. We'll never know how a different candidate with an open primary would've fared, but I don't think there was some secret victory bullet here. Voters clearly wanted Trump for a myriad of reasons. Exit polls show that Dems were viewed as more extreme and less effective on issues voters considered important. The Trump team's data clearly showed that targeting Dems' (perhaps former but very public) stances on identity politics was effective. Perception is everything and our information environment is incredibly cooked. People don't consume reputable news, and social media algorithms feed them radicalizing content 24/7 (also one of the reasons that people on here who are doing the same thing in reverse think that America craves a far-left communist when no real data supports that). Voters didn't care about economic fundamentals or even their own views regarding their personal finances (largely more positive than views of the economy at large). Maybe Biden dropping out earlier could've prevented this sour perception from taking root, but even if Dems had nominated someone else they clearly would've had an impossibly difficult uphill battle. EDIT: Just to be clear, regardless of the outcome or impossibility of victory, Biden should've have dropped out earlier. In fact, he shouldn't have run again at all. He's clearly too old to be the president. I just think this election would've been nearly impossible for anyone. Edited November 9 by DevilsRollTheDice 2
candybabes Posted November 9 Posted November 9 9 hours ago, Junipero said: Weren't those the rumors back when they told Biden to step down? Apparently there was Nacy Pelosi telling him to not run; we also allegedly had Kamala's advisors arguing to Biden and that it is his time to step down. Then we also had that rumor where Chuck Schumer was going to have a mini-Cacus to find the next nominee(which is why Newsom flew to DC a few days before Biden stepped down), but then Biden endorsed Kamala, so the party had to run with Kamala. I heard that behind closed doors that Obama was not happy that Kamala was chosen. I've heard the opposite. Both Obama and Nancy were pushing for Kamala.
americanlife Posted November 9 Posted November 9 I hate Joe Biden even more now. And to think I was so enthusiastic about voting for him in 2020. I didn't decide on Harris until days before Election Day.
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