discussion Trump's isolationist approach risks WW3 as global conflicts heightening

[Raphy23]

 

ARTICLE: https://www.inquirer.com/opinion/trump-world-war-3-foreign-policy-putin-xi-china-russia-north-korea-20241027.html

https://www.csmonitor.com/World/2024/1107/trump-isolationist-america-first

 

It's giving WW2 deja vu. Trump's peace plan has been compared to British Prime Ministers Neville Chamberlain's prior to the start of WW2. Chamberlain met with Hitler to make a deal to keep Britain out of the war, creating the so called "Anglo–German Agreement". Britain basically told Hitler you can invade Austria and the Czech Republic and we won't do anything.

Chamberlain has a famous picture where he gets off the plane waving the document with the tag line "peace in our time".

The thought was give Hitler what he wants and we'll prevent a war. Not long after Hitler invaded Poland, and WW2 started. Chamberlain was forced to resign in disgrace making room for Churchill.

The historical point is don't be so naïve as to give a dictator what he wants. 

Edited November 8 by Raphy23

[Princess Aurora]

I mean, are we surprised? Last time there was a pandemic during his first term...

[Onyxmage]

Well, Its been fun yall.

 

 

 

[IBeMe]

Isolationism is good no matter how much neocons will twist things to continue American interventionism in every part of the world. It's the only good thing about Trump's narratives and suggested policies but I HIGHLY doubt he'll even do that since he didn't during his first term. He was a neocon Warhawk too. He will be bombing countries in no time. America's foreign policy is cooked. 

[Cheers]

We were told things would be same under Kamala as well! 

[Janet]

I don't get how this guy is pro Russia but anti China. Pick the right side hunny!

[qurl]

the biggest problem with him is that the leaders of some of the more nefarious countries in the world like Russia/China/etc are not stupid and will likely not do anything during the next 4 years of his presidency .. if we somehow are able to elect a democrat / progressive after this mess , they will wait till they're in office to provoke other/bordering countries then the republicans will be able to point and say "see , none of this happened under trump". it's all just bad, the worst effects of the next trump presidency will not be felt until years and years after his term

[Trent W]

For me the most annoying part of his presidency terms are the endless doomsday headlines one after the other

 

Having this for another 4 years is wild

[WildHeart]

6 minutes ago, IBeMe said:

Isolationism is good no matter how much neocons will twist things to continue American interventionism in every part of the world

 

Let's not act like America's love to play the world's police wasn't the biggest reason of majority of the wars this century experienced 

[Trent W]

27 minutes ago, Princess Aurora said:

I mean, are we surprised? Last time there was a pandemic during his first term...

Not defending him or anything but what does he had to do with the pandemic that was spread from China

 

The pandemic was gonna happen under anyone in office

[IBeMe]

2 minutes ago, WildHeart said:

 

Let's not act like America's love to play the world's police wasn't the biggest reason of majority of the wars this century experienced 

Exactly. 
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@Raphy23 sis wild heart is agreeing with me. Do u agree with our take?

Edited November 8 by IBeMe

[byzantium]

I'm sure all the Europeans who love to look down on Americans and contribute nothing to addressing our issues will be fine.  

[Taylena]

"Here's how peace is bad for... peace." - signed, the warmongering neolibs and neocons.

Is the new line gonna be that Trump is Chamberlain after them calling him literally Hitler all this time? 

[Almighty Gaga]

We had 2 of the most gruesome wars in recent history in the last 4 years, so it's less about Trump and more about every US president being a genocidal monster regardless of who it is.

[Princess Aurora]

13 minutes ago, Trent W said:

Not defending him or anything but what does he had to do with the pandemic that was spread from China

 

The pandemic was gonna happen under anyone in office

I don't know. In 2018 he got rid of some important laws regarding public health and curbing pandemics. Then two years later, a pandemic magically happened or maybe he brings misfortune everytime he touches something I noticed this pattern.

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[Maxxxine]

Nah, the closest we've come to WW3 is under Biden. 

[Raphy23]

15 minutes ago, IBeMe said:

Exactly. 
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@Raphy23 sis wild heart is agreeing with me. Do u agree with our take?

Of course they f-ed **** up but we're passed that now the tensions already exist.., at least tensions have been kept small for now. The question is are China and Russia insane enough to continue their expansionist policy now that USA (most likely) doesnt care what they do.

and it's not like Trump's international policies during his first term didnt cause any damage. 

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[Bosque]

He hasn't even been inaugurated yet 

[fulgadrum]

6 minutes ago, Almighty Gaga said:

We had 2 of the most gruesome wars in recent history in the last 4 years, so it's less about Trump and more about every US president being a genocidal monster regardless of who it is.

i feel like a sad reality is that blood is the cost for peace.
the west enjoys its freedoms because it bullies and torments other countries, especially those with oil. relaxing any of this pressure is an invitation to be dethroned, and i feel like any president - republican or democrat, conservative or progressive - will always maintain this. there is no america without some people, some where, paying for it.

[Cesar]

if hes gonna let israel "finish the war", i really doubt he's gonna be able to keep the country in isolation

[Raphy23]

21 minutes ago, Trent W said:

Not defending him or anything but what does he had to do with the pandemic that was spread from China

 

The pandemic was gonna happen under anyone in office

That's not what they mean. The pandemic paused the world so Trump was not able to make as much damage last time.

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[Raphy23]

4 minutes ago, fulgadrum said:

i feel like a sad reality is that blood is the cost for peace.
the west enjoys its freedoms because it bullies and torments other countries, especially those with oil. relaxing any of this pressure is an invitation to be dethroned, and i feel like any president - republican or democrat, conservative or progressive - will always maintain this. there is no america without some people, some where, paying for it.

Unfortunately

[Onyxmage]

40 minutes ago, IBeMe said:

Isolationism is good no matter how much neocons will twist things to continue American interventionism in every part of the world. It's the only good thing about Trump's narratives and suggested policies but I HIGHLY doubt he'll even do that since he didn't during his first term. He was a neocon Warhawk too. He will be bombing countries in no time. America's foreign policy is cooked. 

Isolationism in a world that is dominated by global trade and markets is one of dumbest economic moves that any leader in the modern age can make.  

[Virgos Groove]

I cannot take 4 more years of American and European liberals simping for NATO and Cold War jingoism. I just can't.

 

[DAP]

One of the journalists of these articles (Trudy Rubin) encouraged American occupation in Iraq so why should we be listening to someone that has some stakes in these hegemonic wars? That's not to say Trump won't be a warhead but these foreign policy people are not credible at anything other than being rats.