discussion I'm sorry but a good chunk of the voters also need to get the blamed...

[Distantconstellation]

I'm specifically talking about labor/unions. I have lots of disagreements with Biden but without a doubt he was the most pro-union president since FDR and saved teamsters pensions. He even walked a picket line something that hadn't happened before. 

 

A lot of unions endorsed Kamala but a lot of the teamsters wanted to endorse Trump who is known as a union-buster. He even laughed about it with Elon Musk. How can you as someone who is pro-union vote for someone who wants to destroy unions and workers rights? 

A lot of these people said that trans stuff and immigration was more important to them... like what?! So to me this shows that even when you DELIVER for people that doesn't guarantee they will vote for you and that the culture war stuff trumps everything else, no pun intended. 

[Princess Aurora]

How can you as someone who is pro-union vote for someone who wants to destroy unions and workers rights? 

 

Well he's gonna pay the consequences. Just watch The kiis will be iconic. I'm not sorry for someone who is gonna vote against their own interests because they wanna hurt others.

Edited November 7 by Princess Aurora

[Gelato]

epistocracy would be far better at this point, some people are too wilfully stupid and ignorant to be allowed a say

[poki]

5 minutes ago, Gelato said:

epistocracy would be far better at this point, some people are too wilfully stupid and ignorant to be allowed a say

From what I remember this was supposed to be the reason behind the Electoral College

[byzantium]

Sure, vent, get the venom out.  
 

But my question is what are you going to do next about this? 

[dawnettakins]

Incorrect. Voters aren't feeling it, and most reported they are financially worse off than 4 yrs ago.

 

It's all relative. And people mostly vote based on their pocketbook and wallets. Dems did a horrible job communicating and talking about the small things they have delivered on. And you have to deliver significantly more than that so people and voters actually feel it and feel like things are getting better.

 

Bottom line is they don't, and that's why Trump won. Even if they're wrong, since Trump won't fix or change ****, this is where we're at. Time to accept it and continue living your life. Life goes on regardless of who's in the White House.

 

Just have to fight like hell where and when we can for the next 4 yrs, going to lose most those fights, but doesn't mean you don't try. Buckle up!

[DAP]

I don't think a pro-union regime would crush a labor strike like the Biden admin did with railroad workers back in 2022, but that's just me.

Edited November 7 by DAP

[Distantconstellation]

27 minutes ago, DAP said:

I don't think a pro-union regime would crush a labor strike like the Biden admin did with railroad workers back in 2022, but that's just me.

Yes that's one thing, but he saved the teamsters pensions. I'm not saying he was perfect. But either way teamsters didn't even bring that up. They brought up trans issues and immigrations as their top issues. 

[jadeabove]

Blame is not the word you want to use.

 

Accountability is. It changes the direction of the conversation.

[Distantconstellation]

45 minutes ago, dawnettakins said:

Incorrect. Voters aren't feeling it, and most reported they are financially worse off than 4 yrs ago.

 

It's all relative. And people mostly vote based on their pocketbook and wallets. Dems did a horrible job communicating and talking about the small things they have delivered on. And you have to deliver significantly more than that so people and voters actually feel it and feel like things are getting better.

 

Bottom line is they don't, and that's why Trump won. Even if they're wrong, since Trump won't fix or change ****, this is where we're at. Time to accept it and continue living your life. Life goes on regardless of who's in the White House.

 

Just have to fight like hell where and when we can for the next 4 yrs, going to lose most those fights, but doesn't mean you don't try. Buckle up!

See i agree with what you are saying but do i believe those same voters will not complain if things stay expensive under trump or get more expensive? Nope they'll just say things are now great and amazing. He always gets a pass. Voters are easily fooled and consistently vote against their own interests. 

I like others always figured that if you delivered for people they would reward you by voting for you and I've now come to realize that's not always the case. 

Edited November 7 by Distantconstellation

[SoldierofLove]

Burn it all down. They'll get what they deserve.
 

I just know the majority of union members voted for Trump. 

[Reginald]

3 hours ago, Princess Aurora said:

The kiis will be iconic. 

This I'm already looking forward to buying a "don't blame me, I voted for Kamala" bumper magnet in 2025 

[Onyxmage]

1 hour ago, dawnettakins said:

Incorrect. Voters aren't feeling it, and most reported they are financially worse off than 4 yrs ago.

 

It's all relative. And people mostly vote based on their pocketbook and wallets. Dems did a horrible job communicating and talking about the small things they have delivered on. And you have to deliver significantly more than that so people and voters actually feel it and feel like things are getting better.

 

Bottom line is they don't, and that's why Trump won. Even if they're wrong, since Trump won't fix or change ****, this is where we're at. Time to accept it and continue living your life. Life goes on regardless of who's in the White House.

 

Just have to fight like hell where and when we can for the next 4 yrs, going to lose most those fights, but doesn't mean you don't try. Buckle up!

Life does NOT just go on. Clearly the voters havent been paying attention to what Trump is planning to do. If he gets his way many of our institutions will get completely gutted. Not to mention he will nominate 2 more supreme court justices that will be on the court for LIFE and will define an entire generation of extreme right wing rulings. People have no idea whats about to happen. 

[Archetype]

It's clear to me that the stupid Americans will only vote against their own interests, so they'll be hurting even more within the next four years as the wealth gap increases and they wonder why they're paying even more for milk.  It's beyond blaming Dems at this point for everything. There are people who think the only differences between the two parties are abortion and social issues. 

Edited November 7 by Archetype

[dawnettakins]

2 hours ago, Distantconstellation said:

See i agree with what you are saying but do i believe those same voters will not complain if things stay expensive under trump or get more expensive? Nope they'll just say things are now great and amazing. He always gets a pass. Voters are easily fooled and consistently vote against their own interests. 

I like others always figured that if you delivered for people they would reward you by voting for you and I've now come to realize that's not always the case. 

The MAGA and diehard Trump supporters will absolutely, but all the independents and people on the fence about him? I don't think so. They're giving him a chance, just as they did Biden in 2020, and if they don't feel tangible things to make their life better, then they won't support him anymore. Period.

 

Just look at Trump's dismal approval numbers. People don't like him, but independents and people on the fence about him broke for him anyway because they decided to give him a chance to deliver for them. Which he won't. And he'll be underwater because of it. Only the diehards will stay behind him then, just as they always have.