on the line Posted November 7 Posted November 7 (edited) 1 hour ago, Rep2000 said: The fact that the usual suspects who can go on and on and on for multiple pages about genocide are now nowhere to be find in this thread. ******* useful idiots all of them. I mean they also voted for Harris so they are just as complicit in this genocide as the rest of us who voted for Harris. No ifs, ands ors or buts about it. ETA - they are around deflecting and cherry picking their answers and who and what they quote and making fun of the results in a gloating and gleeful way because they'd actually rather just be "right" than be part of the solution. Edited November 7 by on the line
Riverbank Posted November 7 Posted November 7 I'm sure Netanyahu will announce a permanent ceasefire and save Gaza as we've been told by online activists here would happen if people stay home or vote third party 4
Rep2000 Posted November 7 Posted November 7 23 minutes ago, on the line said: I mean they also voted for Harris so they are just as complicit in this genocide as the rest of us who voted for Harris. No ifs, ands ors or buts about it. ETA - they are around deflecting and cherry picking their answers and who and what they quote and making fun of the results in a gloating and gleeful way because they'd actually rather just be "right" than be part of the solution. You gave them too much credits to even think they voted at all The worst part is the gloating. Like wtf, what is there to gloat about??! History would not look back at them kindly.
Douglas Booth Posted November 7 Posted November 7 wait? why are the people who were saying democrats are just as bad as trump suddenly blaming the same democratic party now? Blame the "Anti-Genocide" candidate Jill Stein for not developing a realistic solution to win the election and wasting your vote. She has been touting all these policies and solutions for the past year yet didn't have a realistic pathway to victory at the same time. Blame your candidate for losing. Don't blame the two evil parties who you were not voting for and doesn't align with your values for doing what you were repeatedly saying they were going to do 2 1
Thesedays Posted November 7 Posted November 7 Just now, Douglas Booth said: why are the people who were saying democrats are just as bad as trump suddenly blaming the same democratic party now?W I am sure that made sense in your head. But, in the real world, why would we not be blaming the Democratic Party for what's going on in Gaza? Is there a genocide going on as of right now? As of the last year? Who financed it? 2 1
Thesedays Posted November 7 Posted November 7 3 minutes ago, Rep2000 said: You gave them too much credits to even think they voted at all The worst part is the gloating. Like wtf, what is there to gloat about??! History would not look back at them kindly. Interestingly, while I can easily acknowledge Trump is a genocidiaire monster who is dangerous for Palestine, you can't seem to answer me if you think Harris and Biden are responsible for the genocide. And yet you accuse me of "blindspots"? It's all very revealing.
Thesedays Posted November 7 Posted November 7 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Riverbank said: I'm sure Netanyahu will announce a permanent ceasefire and save Gaza as we've been told by online activists here would happen if people stay home or vote third party Can you link me to some posts saying that would happen? I am sure you did not invent that in your head to use a genocide for brownie points as that would make you a terrible person so can you link me to some people making that argument here? From the way you're talking, I am sure it was very popular position so there must be plenty of examples. Edited November 7 by Thesedays 1
Douglas Booth Posted November 7 Posted November 7 6 minutes ago, Thesedays said: I am sure that made sense in your head. But, in the real world, why would we not be blaming the Democratic Party for what's going on in Gaza? Is there a genocide going on as of right now? As of the last year? Who financed it? why are you guys are blaming the democrats for trumps actions now when you are the same people saying Kamala would do the same if she was elected? I mean its just another business as usual day for us all isn't it? Im specifically saying this to the people pushing the narrative that both parties are the same yet being angry at the democrats for kamala's failed campaign being the cause of trump's election and thus his statements in the OP It's either Trump and Kamala are the same and no outcome would have mattered, or that Kamala would have been a better choice and therefore the people who wanted to help palestinians should have voted and andvocated for her
Thesedays Posted November 7 Posted November 7 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Douglas Booth said: why are you guys are blaming the democrats for trumps actions now Which actions? Trump will only be president after January. So unclear what you are referring to. As of right now, the genocide is going on under the order of the current president which, last i checked, was Biden. Did I miss something? Quote Im specifically saying this to the people pushing the narrative that both parties are the same yet Nothing he is pushing for here isn't currently being done right now. So what's the difference you are implying exactly? The rhetoric? You think we should leave the death toll and the current action aside and focus solely on who sounds less aggressive? Edited November 7 by Thesedays
Raphy23 Posted November 7 Posted November 7 How about Ukraine? He should support their right to win the war against Russia. He's deporting all Hamas supporters?
awesomepossum Posted November 7 Posted November 7 21 hours ago, penguintim said: All the while reaffirming her support for Israel while it commits genocide, and her and Biden sending even more $$$ and weapons to them to keep doing atrocities. I guarantee you that nobody criticizing Kamala for her stance on Gaza voted for Trump. If these voters were so important, then Kamala should have tried winning them over by not being a genocidal ghoul. how can you be this dumb 3
Thesedays Posted November 7 Posted November 7 1 minute ago, awesomepossum said: how can you be this dumb can you pinpoint what's dumb about these arguments? or is just the general idea of caring about Palestine that is dumb for you? i am really interested in getting an in-depth look on the racism in this topic. 2
awesomepossum Posted November 7 Posted November 7 1 hour ago, Thesedays said: If Kamala won, the genocide would go as normal. Which is what will happen under Trump. So what you were expecting them to accomplish exactly by voting Kamala if their concern was the genocide? no, sweaty. it's about to get much, much worse
Thesedays Posted November 7 Posted November 7 2 minutes ago, awesomepossum said: no, sweaty. it's about to get much, much worse How so? Care to explain? As of right now, Gaza is currently ethnically cleansed and completely leveled while 200k people are dead. Meanwhile, the genocide is moving further along to the whole of Palestine. Lebanon and Iran are being bombed. Considering that, as of a Biden presidency, Palestine is on its way to be completely decimated, can you give me a palpable of example of what you think could be made worse? 1
awesomepossum Posted November 7 Posted November 7 Just now, Thesedays said: How so? Care to explain? As of right now, Gaza is currently ethnically cleansed and completely leveled while 200k people are dead. Meanwhile, the genocide is moving further along to the whole of Palestine. Lebanon and Iran are being bombed. Considering that, as of a Biden presidency, Palestine is on its way to be completely decimated, can you give me a palpable of example of what you think could be made worse? deporting people who express support for palestine would be a start. not only is it unfair to americans, it also makes it harder for american supporters of palestine to engage in demonstrations and petitions to try to actually get the american government to stop supporting israel's genocide. that's the concrete example op posted about that you replied to saying trump was simply continuing kamala/biden's policy which is obviously not true since deporting palestine supporters would be a new policy that the biden administration has not pursued. 43,000 people have been killed according to gaza's ministry of health. that's terrible. but there are millions of people alive in gaza. do you seriously not understand that israel has the capability to kill far greater numbers of people at a far faster rate than they have been doing? trump, as he stated in op, will very likely allow and encourage israel to do exactly that. that is how it can be made worse. 1
Douglas Booth Posted November 7 Posted November 7 3 minutes ago, Thesedays said: Which actions? Trump will only be president after January. So unclear what you are referring to. As of right now, the genocide is going on under the order of the current president which, last i checked, was Biden. Did I miss something? Nothing he is pushing for here isn't currently being done right now. So what's the difference you are implying exactly? The rhetoric? You think we should leave the death toll and the current action aside and focus solely on who sounds less aggressive? Again, my comments are directed at the people bringing up Kamala's presidential campaign and the democrats failure this election in this specific thread. I understand that the point you are trying to make is that Biden and Kamala are funding this genocide, i agree with that. it is also the point of the people that i was addressing here that Kamala and Trump essentially have the same position in this war which i disagree with but i respect that opinion. The problem arises for me are comments like these 19 hours ago, dawnettakins said: Aah yes, let's blame everyone and everything but the candidate and subpar campaign that clearly failed miserably. Clearly, people have learned nothing from 2016 or, now, 2024. 19 hours ago, dawnettakins said: The only ones to blame are Kamala Harris and the Democratic party for running a subpar, ineffective campaign and cozying up to warmongerers like Liz Cheney and Biden. 1 hour ago, Thesedays said: If Kamala won, the genocide would go as normal. Which is what will happen under Trump. So what you were expecting them to accomplish exactly by voting Kamala if their concern was the genocide? Ok, Kamala BAD, we get it. Now we have trump. Focus on your protest against him. both are the same level of terrible with gaza and now election is over. Either push all of your anger towards Biden and his actions as president, or Trump for whatever happens in January or even ask Jill Stein what her plans are now that she got the anti-genocide vote. However, saying Kamala supports genocide and will continue biden's policies and then being mad she had terrible ground game and didn't bring the right peple in her rallies doesnt really make sense. if believe that there is no difference between both parties then it doesnt really matter who won. Demand plans from Jill now since she was the only anti-genocide candidate and ask what she plans now
Douglas Booth Posted November 7 Posted November 7 2 hours ago, Thesedays said: If Kamala won, the genocide would go as normal. Which is what will happen under Trump. So what you were expecting them to accomplish exactly by voting Kamala if their concern was the genocide? Kamala shouldn't even be a part of the conversation then, she is just as bad as trump, we just happened to have elected the man. Why does it seem that the anger is only signifantly directed towards one party? republicans won, protest them
NewStanner Posted November 7 Posted November 7 (edited) 32 minutes ago, Raphy23 said: How about Ukraine? He should support their right to win the war against Russia. He's both pro-Israel and pro-Russia, but then again I'm not surprised that this man is supporting two genocidal states at the same time Edited November 7 by NewStanner 2
Douglas Booth Posted November 7 Posted November 7 all independents/Stein Voters, don't argue with the genocidal democrats, don't even address them, they wont be in power for long, go fight with the genocidal republicans since they will be the people in control starting next year.
Thesedays Posted November 7 Posted November 7 15 minutes ago, Douglas Booth said: Focus on your protest against him. both are the same level of terrible with gaza and now election is over. I understand your overall point but Trump still isn't president. If we want meaningful action, why shouldn't the focus be in the government currently governing the country?? In January 2025, when it's Trump's turn to genocide, the focus will obviously be on him when the issue at hand is the Middle East (although don't you think the Dem Party will be rubber-stamping his actions there? lol. Just like Republicans are currently rubber-stamping what Biden/Harris admin is doing).
Thesedays Posted November 7 Posted November 7 (edited) 21 minutes ago, awesomepossum said: deporting people who express support for palestine would be a start. not only is it unfair to americans, it also makes it harder for american supporters of palestine to engage in demonstrations and petitions to try to actually get the american government to stop supporting israel's genocide. that's the concrete example op posted about that you replied to saying trump was simply continuing kamala/biden's policy which is obviously not true since deporting palestine supporters would be a new policy that the biden administration has not pursued. 43,000 people have been killed according to gaza's ministry of health. that's terrible. but there are millions of people alive in gaza. do you seriously not understand that israel has the capability to kill far greater numbers of people at a far faster rate than they have been doing? trump, as he stated in op, will very likely allow and encourage israel to do exactly that. that is how it can be made worse. 1. Violent repression of Palestine supporters is currently going on right now. You are just not paying attention. People had lost their visas. Professors who stood with students against police brutality in the pro-Palestine protests are being charged with felonies in BLUE STATES under BIDEN. 2. The figures you are quoting are outdated. Israel bombed all hospitals and care workers in Gaza so literally there's no record anymore (guess who was financing it?). But The Lancet, the most respected, peer-reviewed medical journal, has estimated more than 180k dead a few months ago. The numbers is obviously even bigger now. So the topic seems more that you are misinformed and not paying attention than Kamala/Biden being "better". Edited November 7 by Thesedays 3 1
Douglas Booth Posted November 7 Posted November 7 1 minute ago, Thesedays said: I understand your overall point but Trump still isn't president. If we want meaningful action, why shouldn't the focus be in the government currently governing the country?? In January 2025, when it's Trump's turn to genocide, the focus will obviously be on him when the issue at hand is the Middle East (although don't you think the Dem Party will be rubber-stamping his actions there? lol. Just like Republicans are currently rubber-stamping what Biden/Harris admin is doing). Yeah but the pretense of this being Kamala's genocide has to be refocused. We all now Biden is the one deciding on these actions and now wether Kamala agrees or disagrees on it doesnt even really matter since she has not spoken against him, and therefore condones his actions. My main point here is that criticise biden all you want, he is the president. Kamala is a powerless enabler. Wether you believe she is the same as trump doesnt matter since trump won. Now you can refocus the majority of your anger back to biden currently and the trump next year.
Thesedays Posted November 7 Posted November 7 (edited) 20 minutes ago, Douglas Booth said: Yeah but the pretense of this being Kamala's genocide has to be refocused. We all now Biden is the one deciding on these actions and now wether Kamala agrees or disagrees on it doesnt even really matter since she has not spoken against him, and therefore condones his actions. People's problem with Kamala has to do with the Dem establishment she's part of. It isn't her personally (although she is part of the problem). People never stopped criticizing Biden. He was so unpopular he had to drop out. Still, Harris is not balmeless considering she is also the face of this admin and has defended its actions countless times. No reason to absolve her of her part in a second holocaust, she had quite a prominent role in it. Edited November 7 by Thesedays
awesomepossum Posted November 7 Posted November 7 15 minutes ago, Thesedays said: 1. Violent repression of Palestine supporters is currently going on right now. You are just not paying attention. People had lost their visas. Professors who stood with students against police brutality in the pro-Palestine protests are being charged with felonies in BLUE STATES under BIDEN. 2. The figures you are quoting are outdated. Israel bombed all hospitals and care workers in Gaza so literally there's no record anymore (guess who was financing it?). But The Lancet, the most respected, peer-reviewed medical journal, has estimated more than 180k dead a few months ago. The numbers is obviously even bigger now. So the topic seems more that you are misinformed and not paying attention than Kamala/Biden being "better". no, the problem is still that you're dumb. 1 1
Thesedays Posted November 7 Posted November 7 Just now, awesomepossum said: no, the problem is still that you're dumb. I think it's funny I am being called "dumb" by racists who use a genocide for political brownie points. Yet, said smarter racists can't even quote the death toll correctly. It's very much like arguing with Trumpkins.
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