discussion Trump - "I will support Israel's right to win its war"

[Delirious]

How many hostages are still missing btw? How many are still alive?

[Uncatena]

3 hours ago, Adir said:

What is the hospital they operate out of?
Hospitals or universities are not being targeted unless there's an actual evidence that there's militant (and in this case terror) activity there.
It is mentioned in the international law:
 

"Convention (IV) relative to the Protection of Civilian Persons in Time of War. Geneva, 12 August 1949":

"Art. 28. The presence of a protected person may not be used to render certain points or areas immune from military operations."
https://ihl-databases.icrc.org/en/ihl-treaties/gciv-1949

43k is NOT A MASSIVE undercount. If anything it might be an OVERCOUNT. In these 43K you're probably counting at least 20k Hamas combatants, but you're clearly not ready for this harsh reality that I'm exposing you to.
There's no estimation of 200K anywhere else besides your delusional response.

Seems like some members in this forum are actively trying to spread misinformation in order to bash Israel.
I will always be here to share the actual facts and burst your delusional bubble so you can keep trying 

I can't really fault you per se for falling for the Israeli propaganda this bad since it seems that you live in Tel Aviv, and coping with the fact that your government is genocidal, terror-oriented and seeking an ethnostate is difficult, but to then be this pompous, egregious and flippant about genocide denial really balances it out.

[Uncatena]

1 minute ago, Delirious said:

How many hostages are still missing btw? How many are still alive?

there are currently over 4.700 Palestinian "detainees" (incarcerated without being charged) in Israeli prisons torture camps, and over 9.600 overall, with at least 880 children. A 2023 report by Save the Children estimated that 86% of these children were beaten. 

[Adir]

16 minutes ago, Uncatena said:

I can't really fault you per se for falling for the Israeli propaganda this bad since it seems that you live in Tel Aviv, and coping with the fact that your government is genocidal, terror-oriented and seeking an ethnostate is difficult, but to then be this pompous, egregious and flippant about genocide denial really balances it out.

Please enlighten me and educate me.
What is the definition of genocide and what is the actual proof that Israel is committing a genocide against the Palestinians people? 
I will wait for you sources and knowledge as it seems you're from Germany and your country definitely knows one thing or two about an actual genocide. 
You probably heard this one before, but I guess Israel really sucks in genocide because the Palestinians population in Gaza just keeps growing through the years:

Edited November 8 by Adir

[Adir]

10 minutes ago, Delirious said:

How many hostages are still missing btw? How many are still alive?

101 are still missing, we asses that at least 30 are still alive, but their conditions are probably really bad.

[Uncatena]

10 minutes ago, Adir said:

Please enlighten me and educate me.
What is the definition of genocide and what is the actual proof that Israel is committing a genocide against the Palestinians people? 
I will wait for you sources and knowledge as it seems you're from Germany and your country definitely knows one thing or two about an actual genocide. 
You probably heard this one before, but I guess Israel really sucks in genocide because the Palestinians population in Gaza just keeps growing through the years:

I have absolutely nothing to discuss with you, as it would be fruitless. we both are staunch in our perspectives, and me arguing with numbers, images, reports etc. wouldn't make a dent because its likely you've seen and heard all of them and either weren't capable of engaging with them or simply refused to. 

 

not to mention that this image is basically irrelevant, since the height of the Palestinian genocide is in 2024, a year not shown here, conveniently, not to mention that this is a free floating image with no source. again, there is no basis for a productive discussion here, as there is none with most zionists. using terms like "actual genocide", calling Palestine "Gaza", asking for "proof", when multiple reputable organisations have called for a genocide investigation, not to mention that you and I have both seen the images of a bomb-flattened, starving, ill Palestine. 

[Adir]

29 minutes ago, Uncatena said:

there are currently over 4.700 Palestinian "detainees" (incarcerated without being charged) in Israeli prisons torture camps, and over 9.600 overall, with at least 880 children. A 2023 report by Save the Children estimated that 86% of these children were beaten. 

NOT you comparing terrorists who carried out attacks against Israelis during and after October 7th to innocent Israelis who were taken hostages from their homes and a music festival 
As for the children who are in Israeli prisons, do you consider a 16-19 teenager who's involved in terrorism a child? 
Also, are you including in these numbers Palestinians from Gaza or also from the west bank? 

Edited November 8 by Adir

[Xavi]

USA supporting another genocide state! nothing new! 

[Xavi]

3 minutes ago, Adir said:

NOT you comparing terrorists who carried out attacks against Israelis during and after October 7th to innocent Israelis who were taken hostages from their homes and a music festival 
As for the children who are in Israeli prisons, do you consider a 16-19 teenager who's involved n terrorism a child? 
Also, are you including in these numbers Palestinians from Gaza or also from the west bank? 

You have to be joking to talk about "attacks against Israelis" when your awful country have killed about 12,000 child this last year.

 

No mention that Netanyahu evidently knew that the attack was going to happen and let it happen in order to have the excuse to exterminate any Gazans.

[Adir]

8 minutes ago, Uncatena said:

I have absolutely nothing to discuss with you, as it would be fruitless. we both are staunch in our perspectives, and me arguing with numbers, images, reports etc. wouldn't make a dent because its likely you've seen and heard all of them and either weren't capable of engaging with them or simply refused to. 

 

not to mention that this image is basically irrelevant, since the height of the Palestinian genocide is in 2024, a year not shown here, conveniently, not to mention that this is a free floating image with no source. again, there is no basis for a productive discussion here, as there is none with most zionists. using terms like "actual genocide", calling Palestine "Gaza", asking for "proof", when multiple reputable organisations have called for a genocide investigation, not to mention that you and I have both seen the images of a bomb-flattened, starving, ill Palestine. 

I don't mind sharing my sources, here's the source for this graph:
https://www.anera.org/how-big-is-gaza/
Yes, 2024 isn't shown here, but considering the number Hamas reported is 43k dead, how is this any proof of a genocide?
Also, you are aware that Palestinians exist not only in Gaza, right? there are Palestinians in the west bank, east Jerusalem and it might be a shock to you, but there are also Palestinians who have Israeli citizenship. There's some IDF activity in the west bank, but shouldn't a genocide include other Palestinians from other locations as well? 
Saying that there's no point of discussion is usually a rhetoric used by the ones who can't actually argue and prove their point.
I would very much like to see the official report that is stating beyond any reasonable doubt that Israel is executing a genocide against the Palestinians (or maybe even just the Palestinians in Gaza if it's more convenient for you)

Edited November 8 by Adir

[Uncatena]

2 minutes ago, Adir said:

NOT you comparing terrorists who carried out attacks against Israelis during and after October 7th to innocent Israelis who were taken hostages from their homes and a music festival 

so why weren't they charged in accordance of international law?

 

6 minutes ago, Adir said:

As for the children who are in Israeli prisons, do you consider a 16-19 teenager who's involved n terrorism a child? 

by definition, people under 18 are children. care to comment on the fact that over 80% are getting beaten, over 60% of them strip searched, according to Save the Children. also against international law btw. 

 

7 minutes ago, Adir said:

Also, are you including in these numbers Palestinians from Gaza or also from the west bank? 

what difference does it make? 

[Adir]

2 minutes ago, Xavi said:

You have to be joking to talk about "attacks against Israelis" when your awful country have killed about 12,000 child this last year.

 

No mention that Netanyahu evidently knew that the attack was going to happen and let it happen in order to have the excuse to exterminate any Gazans.

You're implying that Israel has the 12,000 as their main target?
It's sad that children died in this conflict, they should have been protected by all costs. While Israel is trying it's best to minimize the civilians, it's not an easy task in a dense and populated area as Gaza where Hamas is using civil infrastructures as military bases.

As for Netanyahu and the October 7th attack - He didn't know, but he was warned about something like this potentially happen.
Our lives before October 7th 2023 were great, we were heading to a peace deal with Saudi Arabia and could have had a great new middle east awakening. Netanyahu wouldn't have risked this just in the sake of exterminating Gazans. He is the PM for 20 years, if he wanted to do something like this he could have done so a long time ago.

[Xavi]

1 minute ago, Adir said:

You're implying that Israel has the 12,000 as their main target?
It's sad that children died in this conflict, they should have been protected by all costs. While Israel is trying it's best to minimize the civilians, it's not an easy task in a dense and populated area as Gaza where Hamas is using civil infrastructures as military bases.

As for Netanyahu and the October 7th attack - He didn't know, but he was warned about something like this potentially happen.
Our lives before October 7th 2023 were great, we were heading to a peace deal with Saudi Arabia and could have had a great new middle east awakening. Netanyahu wouldn't have risked this just in the sake of exterminating Gazans. He is the PM for 20 years, if he wanted to do something like this he could have done so a long time ago.

Putin has been PM for 25 years but he's doing what he's doing now.

 

You israelis people need to end Netanyahu soon as posible to the benefit of both sides.

[Adir]

5 minutes ago, Uncatena said:

so why weren't they charged in accordance of international law?

 

by definition, people under 18 are children. care to comment on the fact that over 80% are getting beaten, over 60% of them strip searched, according to Save the Children. also against international law btw. 

 

what difference does it make? 

1. Eventually, they will be charged according to the International law.
2. I can't justify any acts that are against the International law. If this really happened - this should be investigated and people involved should be punished.
3. It makes a big difference because there are different laws to occupied and non-occupied territories in the international law. The west bank is occupied by the Israel, while Gaza isn't.
https://guide-humanitarian-law.org/content/article/3/detention-1/

 

 

 

By this report from September by Btselem, only 1761 prisoners are from the Gaza strip.

https://www.btselem.org/statistics/detainees_and_prisoners

[Adir]

5 minutes ago, Xavi said:

Putin has been PM for 25 years but he's doing what he's doing now.

 

You israelis people need to end Netanyahu soon as posible to the benefit of both sides.

I agree we should end Netanyahu's government regardless, trust me we try. 

[Uncatena]

2 minutes ago, Adir said:

I don't mind sharing my sources, here's the source for this graph:
https://www.anera.org/how-big-is-gaza/
Yes, 2024 isn't shown here, but considering the number Hamas reported is 43k dead, how is this any proof of a genocide?
Also, you are aware that Palestinians exist not only in Gaza, right? there are Palestinians in the west bank, east Jerusalem and it might be a shock to you, but there are also Palestinians who have Israeli citizenship. There's some IDF activity in the west bank, but shouldn't a genocide include other Palestinians as well? 
Saying that there's no point of discussion is usually a rhetoric used by the ones who can't actually argue and prove their point.
I would very much like to see the official report that is stating beyond any reasonable doubt that Israel is executing a genocide against the Palestinians (or maybe even just the Palestinians in Gaza if it's more convenient for you)

sigh... here we go.

 

first of all, the most reputable medical journal in the world estimates, using a 2008 report by the Secretariat of the Geneva Declaration on Armed Violence and Development, that its actually closer to 185.000 deaths caused by Israels renewed invasion. now, I don't know about you, but even 43.000 dead, most of them civilians, including many children, journalists, doctors etc. does not indicate non-discriminate killing. in fact the opposite. add to that the intentional starving, use of weapons against international law, lack of healthcare etc. and any sane person with empathy can see that there is genocidal intent. the fact that I even have to argue this with you shows again that this will be fruitless.

 

yes, there are Palestinians with Israeli citizenship, a lot of them are currently also "detainees" in the Israeli torture camps. and targeting Gaza, the most densely populated area of Palestine, as per the source you linked, is a no-brainer, especially when still in the beginning stages of a genocide. Germany didn't start the holocaust by randomly attacking small towns. 

 

no such report currently exists, which you will obviously frame as a "gotcha", and I will frame as the governing bodies being complicit. But many countries, authorities and people,  including UN members, have called it a genocide. Direct killings, intentional starvation and lack of healthcare, destruction of infrastructure, torture camps... I genuinely wonder where the room for interpretation for you is here. 

 

Just now, Adir said:

1. Eventually, they will be charged according to the International law.
2. I can't justify any acts that are against the International law. If this really happened - this should be investigated and people involved should be punished.
3. It makes a big difference because there are different laws to occupied and non-occupied territories in the international law. The west bank is occupied by the Israel, while Gaza isn't.
https://guide-humanitarian-law.org/content/article/3/detention-1/

 

 

 

By this report from September by Btselem, only 1761 prisoners are from the Gaza strip.

https://www.btselem.org/statistics/detainees_and_prisoners

1. why not now? why are there detainees in Israeli prisons who have been there for years without being charged or given a trial?

2. great. does this also go for the indiscriminate killing of civilians, including children, journalists, doctors, UN members with illegal bombs?

3. so your argument is that... because some of these prisoners are from "occupied" land, they are less likely to be tortured? this isn't a rhetorical question, I'm genuinely confused about what point you are trying to make here. 

 

the world "only" is doing a lot of legwork here, just like there are "only" 43.000 dead Palestinians, I suppose.

[Adir]

33 minutes ago, Uncatena said:

sigh... here we go.

 

first of all, the most reputable medical journal in the world estimates, using a 2008 report by the Secretariat of the Geneva Declaration on Armed Violence and Development, that its actually closer to 185.000 deaths caused by Israels renewed invasion. now, I don't know about you, but even 43.000 dead, most of them civilians, including many children, journalists, doctors etc. does not indicate non-discriminate killing. in fact the opposite. add to that the intentional starving, use of weapons against international law, lack of healthcare etc. and any sane person with empathy can see that there is genocidal intent. the fact that I even have to argue this with you shows again that this will be fruitless.

 

yes, there are Palestinians with Israeli citizenship, a lot of them are currently also "detainees" in the Israeli torture camps. and targeting Gaza, the most densely populated area of Palestine, as per the source you linked, is a no-brainer, especially when still in the beginning stages of a genocide. Germany didn't start the holocaust by randomly attacking small towns. 

 

no such report currently exists, which you will obviously frame as a "gotcha", and I will frame as the governing bodies being complicit. But many countries, authorities and people,  including UN members, have called it a genocide. Direct killings, intentional starvation and lack of healthcare, destruction of infrastructure, torture camps... I genuinely wonder where the room for interpretation for you is here. 

 

1. why not now? why are there detainees in Israeli prisons who have been there for years without being charged or given a trial?

2. great. does this also go for the indiscriminate killing of civilians, including children, journalists, doctors, UN members with illegal bombs?

3. so your argument is that... because some of these prisoners are from "occupied" land, they are less likely to be tortured? this isn't a rhetorical question, I'm genuinely confused about what point you are trying to make here. 

 

the world "only" is doing a lot of legwork here, just like there are "only" 43.000 dead Palestinians, I suppose.

You're saying 'most of them civilians', which I'm not arguing against. However, is there an independent, reliable source that you can trust where you can check the civilians to combatant ratio of the current war? 
I wonder what will happen if you'll compare this ratio to other conflicts around the world, for example.
You mentioned 'intentional starving', but 200+ food aid trucks are literally going through the Israeli border to Gaza every single day. It doesn't fit this narrative.

Palestinians with Israeli citizenship are living their best lives in their homes, I honestly have no idea where do you get the information that they 'also "detainees" in the Israeli torture camps'.
Gaza wasn't targeted because this is where Israel wanted to 'start the genocide', it was targeted because this is where Hamas operates, planned and executed the October 7th attack.
If Hamas never attacked Israel, you can be sure that this war would not have started.

I'm genuinely asking you for sources because I want to see the genocide claims, not because I'm trying to mock you. I know there isn't such a comprehensive report which states it's a genocide beyond any reasonable doubt, but I would like to know where these claims are coming from and why you're so sure of them and consider them reliable. If it's based on numbers alone - this is irrelevant I'm afraid. But if there are actual proofs that support these claims - I want to check them out, maybe I will discover something I didn't know before.

For your follow up questions:
1. I don't have an answer to why not now, but Israel will either judge them or release them eventually. 
2. If Israel acted against the International law and there's a proof for it, no matter whether if it's our prisons or in Gaza - this should be investigated and Israel should provide answers.
3. I may not have been clear on this, but you mentioned 9400 prisoners, which is the correct number according to Btselem, but only 1760 from Gaza. I've mentioned this, because those who are from Gaza are probably the terrorists who participated in the attacks against Israelis.
While in the west bank, as an occupying force, people can be prisoned if they're violating rules that the occupied regime defined for example.
 

Quote

• The occupying power can enact new regulations governing its conditions of occupation and defining new violations against the occupying authority, within the restrictions imposed by the Convention. These laws can never be retroactive (GCIV Arts. 65, 67).

So if a kid throws rocks on the IDF and it's violating the rule, they can be prisoned.
Again, it doesn't mean I support this, but I just mentioned that there's a difference between prisoners from the west bank to prisoners from Gaza.

Edited November 8 by Adir

[Letemtalk]

Some examples of modern genocide and claims of genocide:

not that it will make any difference to that genocide denier

 

1992-1995: Bosnian genocide

More than 8,300 killed in Srebrenica, which has been called a genocide on it's own.

 

According to the ICTY Demographic Unit, an estimated 69.8% or 25,609 of the civilians killed in the wider Bosnian war were from the Bosniak ethnic group.

According to the RDC, 82% or 33,071 of the civilians killed in the war were Bosniak.

 

The United Nations General Assembly called it a genocide as did the German Courts and the European Parliament.
In 2005, the United States Congress passed a resolution declaring that the Serbian policies of aggression and ethnic cleansing meet the terms defining genocide.

 

So it seems that the killing of around 30,000 civilians is a genocide.
The European Parliament and United States Congress said it was.

 

2005: Mahmoud Ahmadinejad of Iran suggested that the "occupying regime" (meaning Israel) should be wiped off the map.

The reaction from the United States government was to call upon United Nations Security Council to charge Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad with violating the 1948 Convention on Genocide and the United Nations Charter.

https://www.congress.gov/bill/110th-congress/house-concurrent-resolution/21?s=1&r=44

 

Using the example of the US congress, even the mention of mass slaughter (against a regime), makes you guilty of the crime of genocide.

 

2014: Keir Starmer, British Prime Minister in his arguments at the International Court of Justice in 2014

He argued that Serbian forces were guilty of genocide in their attacks on Vukovar in Croatia. This was an attack that shares a lot in common with the siege on Gaza, including attacks on the local hospital, something which he uses to argue the case that it was genocide.

Hundreds killed, and according to Keir Starmer, that is enough to be called a genocide.

It does seem odd that we haven't heard him talking much about genocide in the last year.

 

2021: The United States called out genocide and atrocities happening in six countries

Myanmar (also known as Burma,) China, Ethiopia, Iraq, Syria and South Sudan — as part of a report highlighting how the U.S. government is using financial, diplomatic and other measures to try to stop them.

Secretary of State Antony Blinken on Monday released an annual report on genocide and atrocities prevention.
https://www.voanews.com/a/usa_us-calls-out-genocide-atrocities-committed-6-countries/6208177.html

 

The US was not holding back on calling out genocide back in 2021, but I don't think I've heard Antony Blinken talk much about genocide in recent months.

 

2024: Gaza: Open letter of American physicians, surgeons and nurses:

The Estimated death toll in Gaza is already greater than 92,000, 4.2% of the Gaza population or one in 24 Palestinians in Gaza so far.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/article/2024/jul/25/israel-gaza-war-biden-letter

 

2024: The Lancet - Counting the dead in Gaza: difficult but essential

In recent conflicts, such indirect deaths range from three to 15 times the number of direct deaths. Applying a conservative estimate of four indirect deaths per one direct death to the 37,396 deaths reported, it is not implausible to estimate that up to 186,000 or even more deaths could be attributable to the current conflict in Gaza.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(24)01169-3/fulltext

 

How is this not a genocide?
How does the UK and the US call everything a genocide except for when it is done by one country?

[#Beautiful]

57 minutes ago, Adir said:

You're implying that Israel has the 12,000 as their main target?
It's sad that children died in this conflict, they should have been protected by all costs. While Israel is trying it's best to minimize the civilians, it's not an easy task in a dense and populated area as Gaza where Hamas is using civil infrastructures as military bases.

As for Netanyahu and the October 7th attack - He didn't know, but he was warned about something like this potentially happen.
Our lives before October 7th 2023 were great, we were heading to a peace deal with Saudi Arabia and could have had a great new middle east awakening. Netanyahu wouldn't have risked this just in the sake of exterminating Gazans. He is the PM for 20 years, if he wanted to do something like this he could have done so a long time ago.

i need you to know that you sound absolutely insane and posts like this have on place on a forum like atrl @Ryan

[Adir]

1 minute ago, #Beautiful said:

i need you to know that you sound absolutely insane and posts like this have on place on a forum like atrl @Ryan

The insanity is people who are trying to demonize Israel without doing any fact checks, while Israel is a western country with western values and is committed to the International law. 
The Iranian propaganda may led you to believe otherwise, but throwing out random numbers like 200k dead and implying that the IDF is targeting children is the true insanity.

[Uncatena]

3 minutes ago, Adir said:

Israel is committed to the International law. 

I was about to write a lengthy post to your last reply and then I read this and realized how much of my time I would be wasting. so thank you! have the day you deserve.

 

one last question: what is the difference between targeting children and not caring that they die in an attack?

Edited November 8 by Uncatena

[Adir]

Just now, Uncatena said:

I was about to write a lengthy post to your last reply and then I read this and realized how much of my time I would be wasting. so thank you! have the day you deserve.

Whatever you decide, to me it feels that you can't actually argue when I'm facing you with facts and reliable sources. 
But it's your time so use it wisely sis 

[Uncatena]

2 minutes ago, Adir said:

Whatever you decide, to me it feels that you can't actually argue when I'm facing you with facts and reliable sources. 
But it's your time so use it wisely sis 

as I already said, there is no healthy "arguing" with zionists. but since you're all about facing facts with reliable sources, you should reply to @Letemtalk's great post above since you can't answer my last question about children being killed by Israel. 

[Adir]

21 minutes ago, Letemtalk said:

Some examples of modern genocide and claims of genocide:

not that it will make any difference to that genocide denier

 

1992-1995: Bosnian genocide

More than 8,300 killed in Srebrenica, which has been called a genocide on it's own.

 

According to the ICTY Demographic Unit, an estimated 69.8% or 25,609 of the civilians killed in the wider Bosnian war were from the Bosniak ethnic group.

According to the RDC, 82% or 33,071 of the civilians killed in the war were Bosniak.

 

The United Nations General Assembly called it a genocide as did the German Courts and the European Parliament.
In 2005, the United States Congress passed a resolution declaring that the Serbian policies of aggression and ethnic cleansing meet the terms defining genocide.

 

So it seems that the killing of around 30,000 civilians is a genocide.
The European Parliament and United States Congress said it was.

 

2005: Mahmoud Ahmadinejad of Iran suggested that the "occupying regime" (meaning Israel) should be wiped off the map.

The reaction from the United States government was to call upon United Nations Security Council to charge Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad with violating the 1948 Convention on Genocide and the United Nations Charter.

https://www.congress.gov/bill/110th-congress/house-concurrent-resolution/21?s=1&r=44

 

Using the example of the US congress, even the mention of mass slaughter (against a regime), makes you guilty of the crime of genocide.

 

2014: Keir Starmer, British Prime Minister in his arguments at the International Court of Justice in 2014

He argued that Serbian forces were guilty of genocide in their attacks on Vukovar in Croatia. This was an attack that shares a lot in common with the siege on Gaza, including attacks on the local hospital, something which he uses to argue the case that it was genocide.

Hundreds killed, and according to Keir Starmer, that is enough to be called a genocide. It does seem odd that we haven't heard him talking much about genocide in the last year.

 

2021: The United States called out genocide and atrocities happening in six countries

Myanmar (also known as Burma,) China, Ethiopia, Iraq, Syria and South Sudan — as part of a report highlighting how the U.S. government is using financial, diplomatic and other measures to try to stop them.

Secretary of State Antony Blinken on Monday released an annual report on genocide and atrocities prevention.
https://www.voanews.com/a/usa_us-calls-out-genocide-atrocities-committed-6-countries/6208177.html

 

The US was not holding back on calling out genocide back in 2021, but I don't think I've heard Antony Blinken talk much about genocide in recent months.

 

2024: Gaza: Open letter of American physicians, surgeons and nurses:

The Estimated death toll in Gaza is already greater than 92,000, 4.2% of the Gaza population or one in 24 Palestinians in Gaza so far.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/article/2024/jul/25/israel-gaza-war-biden-letter

 

2024: The Lancet - Counting the dead in Gaza: difficult but essential

In recent conflicts, such indirect deaths range from three to 15 times the number of direct deaths. Applying a conservative estimate of four indirect deaths per one direct death to the 37,396 deaths reported, it is not implausible to estimate that up to 186,000 or even more deaths could be attributable to the current conflict in Gaza.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(24)01169-3/fulltext

 

How is this not a genocide?
How does the UK and the US call everything a genocide except for when it is done by one country?

All of these examples that you've shared had a strong intent for genocide, beyond any reasonable doubt. Numbers alone can't be used as a proof for a genocide.
There's a difference between causalities as a result of a conflict to an actual genocide intent where people are massacred just for their ethnicity.  
Israel had no intent to execute a genocide and the war only started because of Hamas attack on October 7th 2023.
So Hamas attacked and took Israelis as hostages and Israel decided that they will completely eradicate Hamas threat in it's south border and will bring back the Israeli hostages.
As the result of this - there were civilians casualties which is horrible, but in no way it was intentional, which is the key word here.

Edited November 8 by Adir

[Adir]

Just now, Uncatena said:

as I already said, there is no healthy "arguing" with zionists. but since you're all about facing facts with reliable sources, you should reply to @Letemtalk's great post above since you can't answer my last question about children being killed by Israel. 

Done